CoA on hammer

[mystified]

wow...I have decided to make a lamerdin!!

...dunno why. i got bored? :grin:

anyway, if I want to use berber CoA what would be a better option?

1) use wizzy with 9str/allres + other mods if possible + hard points
2) use hoto with FCR/ STR ring (or similar)

basically I am trying to save str. and since CoA's req is way to high to be met with just eni and unique charms some hard points will be needed (i think)

atm I am using mara's but that may change on my gambling luck (i.e. never)

1) will allow more flexible equip choice...somewhat anyway. with built in abs.
2) will FCR ring I will lose an abs ring. so bye bye to either raven/wisp/dwarf. chances are i wil be using raven only for dex/mana bonus.

opinions?

PS I will looks so *** in AP with all that str investment! i want str glitch! :p

[DayDream]

I went wizardspike just for the sake of being able to sorb two chars at once. Also easy stack over foh/others.

[SicHalo]

Hmm wizzy will give the most stable setup as it allows easy high stack etc and u can have a wisp as permanent sorb and oak and skill ring or 2 piece absorb.

Also it is possible to get a str/dex all res jewel to socket the wizzy.

you could also gamble posisbly a 2+ pala/str+ dex/res amu or a nice crafted pala fcr anu,

[sweetalmonds]

174 is kinda high to wear berber coa how bout 15/-15 ber?
I'd say wiz with 9/15 str/resist. One ring will be raven all the time ofcourse. the other can be bk for dmg and health or dwarf/wisp.

If you can get a 2/20 ammy with other nice mods you can use dungos which will solve all dr problems.

[mystified]

cool. i wil have to gamble more. i don't care if its suppose to ruin your life.

anyway just had few thoughts and in some cases i may want to grief + charge (vs bowa, trapper etc..)
in which case i will have to drop off that CoA if i use str jewel on wizzy. this should be ok right? (just swapping eni with fort, then ber shako + dungoes for DR, FCR rings/amu for 125 FCR bp..?)

[saellison]

I would get a +2 pally/Str/Resist/fcr amulet. Then use the wiz and socket it with a 7fhr/Res Jewel.
I might be a little confused by the last post, but I would aim for having enough strength from gear or hard points so slapping on a grief wouldn't pose any str problems with equipping the CoA.

[Dennis_KoreanGuy]

Freedom resists jewel with a ber is what I use.

'd to use, anyway.

[mainaman]

Dungo ber shako, hoto/wizzy with fcr amulet and you are set.
41 dr is good enough imo. You can try using hoto, circlet, ber stormshield , 50 dr it works great too.

[MORKLEET]

9str/res is bad on hammer becouse you will go max block no matter what, so it doesnt matter if the jewel is 9 str/res or 9 dex/res, this 9 stats you will must stat anyway, so use dex/res and easy switch to hoto without any problems. also hoto is superior to wizard for the oak charges which are must in vs any melee, hammers, necs etc so try get 1 pala 20 fcr, i think they are not so so expensive and give the freedom to use abs ring and hoto. also coa ber -15req/goodadd(dex, res fhr) is the way to go, with 15dr verdungo you get 46 dr which is enough

[Uncle_Mike]

I use a CoA with a ber and a -req/7fhr jewel with some minor adds (5% fire res and some life IIRC)

[SicHalo]

9str/res is bad on hammer becouse you will go max block no matter what, so it doesnt matter if the jewel is 9 str/res or 9 dex/res, this 9 stats you will must stat anyway, so use dex/res and easy switch to hoto without any problems. also hoto is superior to wizard for the oak charges which are must in vs any melee, hammers, necs etc so try get 1 pala 20 fcr, i think they are not so so expensive and give the freedom to use abs ring and hoto. also coa ber -15req/goodadd(dex, res fhr) is the way to go, with 15dr verdungo you get 46 dr which is enough

not really i disagree u can get hold of dex/str/res jewels rare ones i believe which is ofc much more stat use.

Secondly wizzy>hoto in almost all cases apart from on hybrids because although hoto has alot of skill + oak charges, it also has alot lower resistances and fcr, not to mention the great amount of mana u also gain from wizzy. To solve the oak sage problem u use a permanent wisp on slot which grants you light absorb as well as oak charges.

Hoto is a good swapping in for hammer vs hammer for a high dmg setup, in which u swap in archnid for fcr which only means u need a total of 10 fcr from else where i.e 2pala/10 fcr/str/dex or 2 pala/10fcr/life/mana or ofc a nice fcr ring and maras instead.

[MORKLEET]

yo, there is really no need for str in wizard, 1 - you get the 147(or was 144?) str for coa without stat str anyway and 2 - you dont want on cta switch to have 9 less str and loose your coa one day and always have 1 skill lower bo. i like wizard too but beside the mana (res is not problem?) why would you loose 3 all skills? and you always can have cr wizz and lr wizz in stash. wizard setup with permanent wisp is nice anyway, everything in this patch is made to work for hammer :grin:

[mystified]

CoA is 174, with -15 req it would be...148?
i can see that dex/res/fhr jewels of a sort would be better than str jewel. i can work with that :grin:

about 2/20 circl....is it better than CoA? I mean apart from 20 FCR and extra skill, I don't see much attraction to it if I use berber-ed circ and dungoes..which mean I get..39 DR? with less res and FHR? :/

also ber/-req jewel on CoA to go for 'just' 31 DR? so..that means using 2/20 amu with dungoes to get high DR..got to work on that part i guess.

I am just trying to go for minimal gear changes..since going to stash to get gears are too much for me right now...I am too lazy and i wanna just spin hammers :hide:

[Uncle_Mike]

CoA is 174, with -15 req it would be...148?
i can see that dex/res/fhr jewels of a sort would be better than str jewel. i can work with that :grin:

about 2/20 circl....is it better than CoA? I mean apart from 20 FCR and extra skill, I don't see much attraction to it if I use berber-ed circ and dungoes..which mean I get..39 DR? with less res and FHR? :/

also ber/-req jewel on CoA to go for 'just' 31 DR? so..that means using 2/20 amu with dungoes to get high DR..got to work on that part i guess.

I am just trying to go for minimal gear changes..since going to stash to get gears are too much for me right now...I am too lazy and i wanna just spin hammers :hide:

Coa with a -req jewel has a str req of 148.

CoA can have up to 23 dr with a single ber, add 8 dr on enigma and 15 dr on dungo (20 on bb if you are EU NL and have access to one) and you have almost max dr.

Coa/dungo setup can have 125 fcr with a 10 fcr amu and hoto, 20 fcr amulet or a wizzy aren't a must to hit that breakpoint.

40 (hoto) + 10 (amulet) + 20 (gloves) + 20 (rings) + 35 (spirit) = 125.

[mystified]

i see.. :scratch:
that seems more interesting, with wizzy and raven i can save dex as well i guess, and duel statt FCR ring willl go long way to save me stats. (i wish this char was on nl for that sweet belt..i guess i can do no str CoA set up then with low dex invest :p)

40 (hoto) + 10 (amulet) + 20 (gloves) + 20 (rings) + 35 (spirit) = 125.

46DR , 125 FCR, 86 FHR bp! sweet! :smile:

[SicHalo]

yo, there is really no need for str in wizard, 1 - you get the 147(or was 144?) str for coa without stat str anyway and 2 - you dont want on cta switch to have 9 less str and loose your coa one day and always have 1 skill lower bo. i like wizard too but beside the mana (res is not problem?) why would you loose 3 all skills? and you always can have cr wizz and lr wizz in stash. wizard setup with permanent wisp is nice anyway, everything in this patch is made to work for hammer :grin:

ok fair enough on the jewel that is a correct what you say but i threw that in for good measure as jewels ppl usually aim for when using a wizzy setup Also most hammerdins on my realm use b belts allowing alot less str and dex need to achieve max block.

3 skills is alot to lose but you can still get a nice allrounded 12k hammer setup which imo is more than good enough in pvp. I hinted on hoto as stash gear due to the needed dmg boost in say hammer vs hammer and prolly vs some mele but in terms of res wizzy is just not easy replaceable as wizzy can offer another 50%+ res ontop of a perfect 40% res hoto and 75% dedicated to one element and 35% to all others which is pretty significant, plus the good mana ofc, and also it allows easier access to the fastest bp while maintaining high dr and stack all in one. With good gear u can easily 1 v many vs a team using conviction aura from a foh+ a fire sorc and a mele char like barb without gear switching..

Like i said for a hybrid hammer i see the clear need why hoto>wizzy as the the skills are needed. Even for me on a mage a wizzy 9 dex/15 @ res jewel is stashed.

[SicHalo]

i see.. :scratch:
that seems more interesting, with wizzy and raven i can save dex as well i guess, and duel statt FCR ring willl go long way to save me stats. (i wish this char was on nl for that sweet belt..i guess i can do no str CoA set up then with low dex invest :p)



46DR , 125 FCR, 86 FHR bp! sweet! :smile:

tbh the problems i find with hoto is the fact that u have to use 2x fcr rings to hit the bp this is an issue when u need to use absorb a u want to have at least one of ur ring slots open or both for easier ring swap. although u can get really nice stats from rings like 10 fcr/ 1x str/1x dex/ life/ mana adds like res etc but these scan be truked

[Moritz]

Hmm well

you could get hots vs fire, tg vs light and switch a circ + ravens vs cold (just incase you got no stack).
I dont see why hdin depends on abs rings.

[SicHalo]

Hmm well

you could get hots vs fire, tg vs light and switch a circ + ravens vs cold (just incase you got no stack).
I dont see why hdin depends on abs rings.

thats too much switching the hots vs fire is ok although a dwarf can be used here. but switching out tg and other helms to fight different elements goes against the main strength of a good hammerdin, being able to stack and abs while keeping dr at high or max levels..

[Moritz]

I was talking about 1v1s. just choose one of the listed stuff.

[Gabrielle]

3 socket tiara 20 fcr with 3xBer & 3 socket tiara 20 fcr 3xP.Topaz and an other one with 3xP.Sapphire in stash for extra overstack or just one 3 socket tiara 20 fcr 3xUm ( gives enough overstack to be honest allready )
Wizzy with 15 all res/7fhr jewel
enigma
spirit with 45 base res
hotspurs
magefist or trang
mara
T-gods
dwarf
raven

125 fcr, 32 DR, GM sorb against all elements, 86fhr with 2x 12 fhr pc skillers. ( if on some duels hotspurs + 1 dwarf isn't allowed, replace dwarf with soj or bk, if hotspurs isn't allowed, replace hotspurs with a nice rare res boot or gores if you charge down zons and sorcs ). Replace T-gods with a 15 DR Dungo if lightning based damage isn't present to reach a total of 47 DR.

:thumbsup:

[Moritz]

will have very bad life and dmg.

I find your helm choice really bad :/

[SicHalo]

3 socket tiara 20 fcr with 3xBer & 3 socket tiara 20 fcr 3xP.Topaz and an other one with 3xP.Sapphire in stash for extra overstack or just one 3 socket tiara 20 fcr 3xUm ( gives enough overstack to be honest allready )
Wizzy with 15 all res/7fhr jewel
enigma
spirit with 45 base res
hotspurs
magefist or trang
mara
T-gods
dwarf

raven

125 fcr, 32 DR, GM sorb against all elements, 86fhr with 2x 12 fhr pc skillers. ( if on some duels hotspurs + 1 dwarf isn't allowed, replace dwarf with soj or bk, if hotspurs isn't allowed, replace hotspurs with a nice rare res boot or gores if you charge down zons and sorcs ). Replace T-gods with a 15 DR Dungo if lightning based damage isn't present to reach a total of 47 DR.

:thumbsup:

not really :/

to be honest u can have a setup like this:


CoA ber/-15% require @ 15 all res which can give a total of 23 pdr/45 all res
wizzy/ 9 dex/15 @ res jewel
trangs>mages imo due to cold res on it and regen mana is not all that..
enigma
1-2/20fcr/dex/str/res or 1-2/20fcr/life/mana/res
15/40 dungos
spirit sacred targe 45 base res
waterwalks or tri res boots/hots
2 ring slots so one wisp + raven.

inventry
4x pcs with life
1x 5fhr/5all res sc
torch + anni
24x life/res scs


46% pdr/good stack res/3 elements abs/high dmg/ good life/125% fcr/86% fhr

minimal switching, i.e no need to switch 2 3 different types of helms

even kira> those helms u mentioned in terms of stack as a kira can have a max of 70 base res + say a 15 all res jewel equals 85% all res and ofc 100% to a dedicated element..

[Gabrielle]

This build is achievable with base strenght and around 150 dex for max block after gear so the life is not that bad as CoA provides no life also and shako maybe a bit more but it the life is not bo-able. The damage is descent imo, around 8k+ damage without skillers.

With the 2x12 fhr pc skillers which are required, you allready hit 9k damage which isn't bad, with full skillers, it hits about 12k damage.

[Gabrielle]

not really :/

to be honest u can have a setup like this:


CoA ber/-15% require @ 15 all res which can give a total of 23 pdr/45 all res
wizzy/ 9 dex/15 @ res jewel
trangs>mages imo due to cold res on it and regen mana is not all that..
enigma
1-2/20fcr/dex/str/res or 1-2/20fcr/life/mana/res
15/40 dungos
spirit sacred targe 45 base res
waterwalks or tri res boots/hots
2 ring slots so one wisp + raven.

inventry
4x pcs with life
1x 5fhr/5all res sc
torch + anni
24x life/res scs


46% pdr/good stack res/3 elements abs/high dmg/ good life/125% fcr/86% fhr

minimal switching, i.e no need to switch 2 3 different types of helms

even kira> those helms u mentioned in terms of stack as a kira can have a max of 70 base res + say a 15 all res jewel equals 85% all res and ofc 100% to a dedicated element..

I really like this setup you listed with CoA, going for a nice crafted amulet is alot better instead of that circlet I suggested. :grin:

[SicHalo]

not really but coa covers all the fhr u need in the place of those 2x12% fhr pc skillers, u could be using 2x 40-45 pcs which now means u lose 80/90 life already before bo.

8k is too low on a pure hammerdin, most can hit 10k + easily and the setup i layed out hits 11k-12k easily.

my hybrid does more dmg than this and it has ofc a secondary attack which imo is not good enough for a pure build..

The standard hammerdin build nowadays uses 3-5 * pcs and rest is life/res scs this way the hammerdin can achieve high hp and alot of res stack from gear. like i said kira is superior to helms u mentioned and coa>20fcr/ber/ber/ber helm

[SicHalo]

I really like this setup you listed with CoA, going for a nice crafted amulet is alot better instead of that circlet I suggested. :grin:

plus a 1 skill/20fcr/ add amu is quite cheap to obtain and very effective

[Gabrielle]

not really but coa covers all the fhr u need in the place of those 2x12% fhr pc skillers, u could be using 2x 40-45 pcs which now means u lose 80/90 life already before bo.

8k is too low on a pure hammerdin, most can hit 10k + easily and the setup i layed out hits 11k-12k easily.

my hybrid does more dmg than this and it has ofc a secondary attack which imo is not good enough for a pure build..

The standard hammerdin build nowadays uses 3-5 * pcs and rest is life/res scs this way the hammerdin can achieve high hp and alot of res stack from gear. like i said kira is superior to helms u mentioned and coa>20fcr/ber/ber/ber helm

Yes, I agree with what you say. :smiley:

[Gabrielle]

plus a 1 skill/20fcr/ add amu is quite cheap to obtain and very effective

hehe, I have one laying around somewhere I think. Now to get a CoA then :tongue:

[brascoop]

JvV says use a shako + bp nigma for extreme sex purposes

[StrawberryCake]

Guess the best hdin setup without bugged or preload items would be:

Hoto 40
Eni
Coa 7fhr -req@cr
Spirit ST
Dungos 40/15
1*Fcr ring with dex/Life and nice adds
Waterwalks 65life
To Gloves
1-2 Pala/20Fcr Amu with adds (2/20 clean works aswell)
Raven

Make sure that you have maxblock with Fcr Ring+Wisp instead of Raven and hotspurs instead of waterwalks (not at the same time), means u have to overstate 20dex, which can be necessary for pubs and tvts.
46 Dr is enough, while u are hitting 86fhr, 125fcr and probably huge stacked ressis
I would also try to hit around 12-13k dmg with Coa, depending on budget