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supergoatman
29-04-2008, 06:21
are bowazons good duelers? do they stand a chance against bonermancers,ww barbs, or wereewolfs?
A good Bowazon will not have a hard time against the mentioned characters.
mephiztophelez
29-04-2008, 07:17
a high damage, super high frw (130+), well built and well played bow'a'zon is an opponent to be pheared.
here are some vids of good bowy's (not mine)......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4diLtsA0wvc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVHJwuhw940
xxxkillerxxx
29-04-2008, 16:51
A good Bowazon will not have a hard time against the mentioned characters.
rofl "k"
saellison
29-04-2008, 18:19
Glass cannon zon will get crapped on by an equally skilled WW and a Maxblock Bone Necro
If ur rich and can afford the best gear, then yes a bowzon does insane dmg pvp. I think my 8.5k life bvc dies to my friends bowzon in 4-5 hits.
But aswell as a bowzon doing insane amounts of dmg, theyre relatively weak and can be taken down pretty easy by a good sorc, windy or bone necro.
They're more of a novelty class, kinda like wolves. Most classes in the hands of an equally skilled char will beat a bowa, but they have several different tricks up their sleeves.
A good Bowazon will not have a hard time against the mentioned characters.
Well....
necro...max block, max dr,decrep,prison= gg
Barb... Doom zerker, max dr, leap... really hard duel for bowazon
Well....
necro...max block, max dr,decrep,prison= gg
Barb... Doom zerker, max dr, leap... really hard duel for bowazon
I meant a good bowazon. Spamming arrows when you see a red cross on your mini-map isn't "good". A skilled bowazon will never let a Nec get close enough to decrep and prison.
A Barb with Doomz will usually own a Zon though :undecided:
Desynch pally with holy freeze flash? Necro with minion stack?
I meant a good bowazon. Spamming arrows when you see a red cross on your mini-map isn't "good". A skilled bowazon will never let a Nec get close enough to decrep and prison.
A Barb with Doomz will usually own a Zon though :undecided:
never get close? a half/ decent nec with 125 fcr, max block, max dr, bone armor, clay golem can chase any zon and prison/ decrep them regardless of how "good"/ "fast" they are.
Perfect Hatred
01-05-2008, 10:27
are bowazons good duelers? do they stand a chance against bonermancers,ww barbs, or wereewolfs?
I play hammerdin and, apart from other hammerdins, bowazons are probably the characters I have most trouble with. They do crazy damage and run around desyncing so fast you rarely catch them with a hammer. I would say bowazons are excellent characters to play pvp although I doubt they would stand a chance against an auradin since resists are hard to stack with a bowa.
Bowa's are an excellent match up and sometimes a lot better than some chars just like other classes have their match ups. I rarely have problems with sorcies and hdins. Then, "skilled" windies and smiters are prolly the next lvl of difficulty. And the above mentioned problem chars (bvc's and nec's) are hands down the hardest, but definately can be beat. Although, I've got a friend that has a bowa that beats bvc's 4 outta 5. But then I beat him 4 outta 5 in zvz. Depends on how you build them.
As far as auradins, I love when they join...especially glitch auras. I throw on treachery, rising sun, dwarf and they're done. I love it. Confuses them so much when a bowa runs over glitched auradins. They're such scum :evil:.
xxxkillerxxx
01-05-2008, 23:14
Bowa's are an excellent match up and sometimes a lot better than some chars just like other classes have their match ups. I rarely have problems with sorcies and hdins. Then, "skilled" windies and smiters are prolly the next lvl of difficulty. And the above mentioned problem chars (bvc's and nec's) are hands down the hardest, but definately can be beat. Although, I've got a friend that has a bowa that beats bvc's 4 outta 5.
According to ethug barbs and necs were no problems so I guess bowzon>all lol
Personally I thought smiters were hardest, followed by necs, barbs and sins. What's the stats of your friends zon? Without pre-bo and amp+lt gear I can't see how barbs can lose more than 30-40% of the duels. Hear it all the time but never seen it :D
I’m not sure of his stats, I know he runs 1.5k life w/ titans/ss switch. And has some crazy frw. My bowa has 170 frw w/ titans and he out runs me.
Anyways I think w/ lots of timely side stepping, desync, shield switches and dodge he rarely gets hit. The bowa’s name is Yulian on eastscl. My bvc who I’d say modestly was bit above avg. would get beat down by her.
xxxkillerxxx
02-05-2008, 10:12
I’m not sure of his stats, I know he runs 1.5k life w/ titans/ss switch. And has some crazy frw. My bowa has 170 frw w/ titans and he out runs me.
Anyways I think w/ lots of timely side stepping, desync, shield switches and dodge he rarely gets hit. The bowa’s name is Yulian on eastscl. My bvc who I’d say modestly was bit above avg. would get beat down by her.
I see. 1.5k life is just 1-2 good hits so try to namelock tele then whirl short in the direction he's running, rinse and repeat. Just keep whirls short and re-namelock mid-ww so you don't give him any time to switch to bow. 40 fcr with trangs/arach would probably be best here, 20fcr with dungos works too. Remember that zons can get 5k+ def when chilling armor triggers so use ravens and enchant if needed (enchant always helps vs all zons, the ar aside fire damage is lovely).
Dennis_KoreanGuy
03-05-2008, 10:52
Bow amazons have too much critical advantages and disadvantages with little mediums to balance out the overal character.
Bowazons are good in team dueling and pub with support like barb nec etc but in 1 v pub situations i dont rate them at all.
I had a fairly well built glass zon a while back using 10/6x/38+ life gcs and sc with 3/1x/5frw etc and some decent gear and i spent most of my time in pubs dead, retrieving body and being nked.
I know i was not top notch but i found as soon as someone had decent skills i pretty much lost easily to them. Most well built smiters creamed me and ofc decent barbs... oh and auradins raped me hard too..
I personally think u have top be very skilled to hold ur own against "average or above average" duelers at best in pubs.
Just wondered. all these ppl saying bvc owns zons.
How you go about it?
I mean 15k dmg and knockback, msot the time i cant really get close to a zon even with doomz.
xxxkillerxxx
04-05-2008, 03:23
Just wondered. all these ppl saying bvc owns zons.
How you go about it?
I mean 15k dmg and knockback, msot the time i cant really get close to a zon even with doomz.
15k dmg my arse. More like 5-6k dmg with crit for 10-12k. Just close, nl tele ww. Easy duel. Don't screw up the closing and don't let them breathe between telewhirls. If you have problems you need to get good at namelocking, nothing else. Fast lockers have no problems with zons. Most barbs fail because they're used to leap-tele-ww-n00b sequence and can't lock.
majslayer
04-05-2008, 10:57
zons with 160+ frw in jav/shield switch can still dodge the ww and shoot a couple arrows before switching back. a well built and played zon has a decent chance at beating bvcs, but dont expect to win most of them. in pubs, i usually fare pretty well if the duels are gmed and people are not ganking. try not to hostile everyone since u will die very fast if you get hit.
xxxkillerxxx
04-05-2008, 11:43
zons with 160+ frw in jav/shield switch can still dodge the ww and shoot a couple arrows before switching back. a well built and played zon has a decent chance at beating bvcs, but dont expect to win most of them. in pubs, i usually fare pretty well if the duels are gmed and people are not ganking. try not to hostile everyone since u will die very fast if you get hit.
Can't escape nl teleww and there is no time to switch if barb plays correctly and doesn't screw up. Most zons need barb bo+shout for a somewhat fair duel.
5k is easy with avg gear and no charms, im not talking about these zons. Im talking about zons with knockback 30frw helms and 30+ 451 pd sc's. Main problem is getting within range of them because of knockback.
Only solution I can think of is bumping my fcr up alot
Once there on my screen tis alot easier. altho still hav to beat the max block/max dmg reduce/dodge scenario.
5k is easy with avg gear and no charms, im not talking about these zons. Im talking about zons with knockback 30frw helms and 30+ 451 pd sc's. Main problem is getting within range of them because of knockback.
Only solution I can think of is bumping my fcr up alot
Once there on my screen tis alot easier. altho still hav to beat the max block/max dmg reduce/dodge scenario.
if you lose to a poison-based zon with... well, anything... quit.
MysticDragon
04-05-2008, 20:20
if you lose to a poison-based zon with... well, anything... quit.
Potion chucking Conviction Paladin.
It depends on the person playing. Bowazon are quite fun to play, but have a hard time against a lot of characters. A few videos:
http://media.putfile.com/hi-rodney
http://media.putfile.com/exeggutorrr
http://youtube.com/watch?v=H0Kvm665dEQ
mystified
04-05-2008, 20:40
that last one isn't bowazone :p
MysticDragon
04-05-2008, 20:53
that last one isn't bowazone :p
Yes, it's a Glass Cannon Bowazon dueling a Max block Bone Necro.
xxxkillerxxx
04-05-2008, 21:00
5k is easy with avg gear and no charms, im not talking about these zons. Im talking about zons with knockback 30frw helms and 30+ 451 pd sc's. Main problem is getting within range of them because of knockback.
Only solution I can think of is bumping my fcr up alot
Once there on my screen tis alot easier. altho still hav to beat the max block/max dmg reduce/dodge scenario.
Zons with more than 5-6k damage are dex-invested and much easier to kill with barbs. Everyone uses knockback, doesn't matter unless you are bad/unlucky enough to tele straight into an arrow train when closing. I'm talking about good zons with mass vita and mix of frw and life scs. Poison is horrible and if you have problems anyway just drink some antidotes before dueling. 20fcr is enough but 40fcr and less dr is sometimes more effective vs glass cannons. Getting on their screen is the easy part, just dont tele straight ahead. Be creative and inventive and appear where they least expect it (tele off minimap, wait a while so they think you are taking another route then closing straight in is a classic hehe. use enviroment and obstacles like walls and act generally retarded so they can't read you).
On screen, namelock teleport then short whirl. If they tank with lightning fury you trianglewhirl (if you whirl sloppy they might tank you with a good jav) until they start moving, then immediately namelock teleport and short whirl in the direction you think he will be moving when you land on him. Rinse and repeat.
mystified
04-05-2008, 22:52
Yes, it's a Glass Cannon Bowazon dueling a Max block Bone Necro.
if this in unintended joke its good :laugh:
dunno if link changed but when I click on it it goes to marine workout. so unless marin is bowa and lurker is necro i THINK this is SC video :scratch:
if this in unintended joke its good :laugh:
dunno if link changed but when I click on it it goes to marine workout. so unless marin is bowa and lurker is necro i THINK this is SC video :scratch:
the joke is that marine vs lurker is very similar to zon vs necro
http://youtube.com/watch?v=68UynO-POFw (watch 15 seconds in)
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