PURE smiter vs vt

[bballguy]

whos gonna win? Coz i see a frnd of mine ( Pure smiter) fighting another 1 of my frnds (strong vt) And the pure one wins:undecided:

[DayDream]

Assuming smiter has good gear and nulls conivction, he should win.

[qtpielv]

whats vt ?

[bballguy]

vindicator templar.

hmmmm any way the vt can win then?

[UberB]

Theoretically, it should be an even match. V/T's smite will be weaker but the smiter is forced to stack resists to even out the foh. So they should come out fairly balanced.

Obviously if the V/T uses a Grief PB (common on V/T's) while the smiter uses a BA, it'll be hard for the former to win. Assuming the smiter is good enough to take advantage of the extra range by charging to knock the v/t back and get free smites off.

But this is all theory, I fight against a pure smiter with a V/T and we come out fairly balanced. Keep in mind that they both excel at different places. FOH accomplish many deeds which smite cannot. V/T's are more versatile IMO.

[xxxkillerxxx]

whos gonna win? Coz i see a frnd of mine ( Pure smiter) fighting another 1 of my frnds (strong vt) And the pure one wins:undecided:

Real v/t's have same smite damage as pure smiters so obviously the better player will win if everything else is equal.

Even if a pure smiter has enough stack or flashes conviction 24/7 foh will still do some damage so a v/t should have the advantage here. Why do you think people added foh to smite vs smite duels?

[Camden]

In some theory, a v/t should have the upper hand for many reasons, some of which killer pointed out above. But in practice, assuming both players have top-notch equipment, the smiter will win. Bit of a paradox, really.

edit: note, though, that lower-end v/ts generally beat lower-end smiters.

[xxxkillerxxx]

In some theory, a v/t should have the upper hand for many reasons, some of which killer pointed out above. But in practice, assuming both players have top-notch equipment, the smiter will win. Bit of a paradox, really.

edit: note, though, that lower-end v/ts generally beat lower-end smiters.

If both use same equipment and have 20 smite/fana/hs the better player should win. Only exception I can see would be a 20 holy freeze svs build. Here we use 35 slow, tap, freeze and massive ias stack in svs but I got the impression that temple on east had very refined svs and that v/t's beat pure smite and became popular because of that.

[ShadowSonic]

vt has same dmg as smiter just upgraded -_- so vt wins all the time

[StrawberryCake]

i would say smite due to the huge charge dmg (depends on build for sure)
it also depends on the amount of stack though, even if its not hard to outstack -100ressis from conv

[Dennis_KoreanGuy]

Smite.

Yeah, v/t's do the same damage.

They also don't have 37x vita charms, along with other stuff.

[bballguy]

oh ok.

however, if both max hs fana and smite, why shud the vt lose?

[BAMFSpecialOps]

As it got pointed out, the pure smiter can take advantage of the v/t with either massive life(37x20life scs) or by being able to use charge to their advantage to knock back the v/t for free hits.

[xxxkillerxxx]

Huh? V/t's can use life scs as well but 9x pc skillers are so much better in svs.
Charge damage doesn't differ much even with maxed charge and rarely hits anyway. How is a pure smiter better lol?

[Uncle_Mike]

How is a pure smiter better lol?

Holy freeze radius probably (if the pure smiter was build with svs in mind).

[Dennis_KoreanGuy]

Huh? V/t's can use life scs as well but 9x pc skillers are so much better in svs.
Charge damage doesn't differ much even with maxed charge and rarely hits anyway. How is a pure smiter better lol?

Haha. On text, clearly having to nullify lightning is the downfall as v/t's should make up more than enough amount of life lost by loss of life charms / etc.

Do you think they can get more than a single heaven fist in, without eating smites?

[xxxkillerxxx]

Haha. On text, clearly having to nullify lightning is the downfall as v/t's should make up more than enough amount of life lost by loss of life charms / etc.

Do you think they can get more than a single heaven fist in, without eating smites?

Doesn't matter, they're equal to smiter in all respects except they have foh and kinda forces the smiter to stack somewhat. And getting foh's off when you're defwhore charging so you're completely desynched isn't too hard.

Anyway in svs skillers>scs and v/t is, in the worst case, just equal to smiter.

[looklook]

i don't understand why would a V/T choose to smite

when you can zeal for more damage?

conviction aura reduce 90%@25lvl defense. Just wear a dream helm and zeal o

Weapon:
Azurawrath(500 magic 500 cold damage)
Grief Phase Blade for more life leech

[Veghus]

i don't understand why would a V/T choose to smite

when you can zeal for more damage?

conviction aura reduce 90%@25lvl defense. Just wear a dream helm and zeal o

Weapon:
Azurawrath(500 magic 500 cold damage)
Grief Phase Blade for more life leech

To looklook´s post:

1.
V/T would choose smite becouse he is a Vindicator/Templar = Smiter/Foher hybrid, so why would he use Zeal?!
2.
Smite>Zeal
Zeal can be blocked and Smite not.
3.
Conviction Aura´s -% def is a negligible effect in PvP.
4.
Life/Mana Leech does not work in PvP.


To the discussion - Pure Smiter vs V/T:

This whole discussion is about nothing!
who wins? pure smiter or V/T?! - sorry but that is silly!
It always depends on a lot of factors. It cannot be said generally who is better or stronger or who will always win!

Smiter vs V/T = equal chances and it is down to equip and player´s skill but usually its skill>equip.

[Camden]

Way to bump an old thread that no one's interested in anymore.

And common sense tells you that "x vs x" topics are discussed on the grounds of equally good gear and skill. Duh.

[tcpgeest]

v/t's always have higher smite dmg than regular smiters.. cuz they use pcombs and regular smiters use inv full of 20/5's or 20 vita/something..

[Stephany]

Theoretically, it should be an even match. V/T's smite will be weaker but the smiter is forced to stack resists to even out the foh. So they should come out fairly balanced.

Obviously if the V/T uses a Grief PB (common on V/T's) while the smiter uses a BA, it'll be hard for the former to win. Assuming the smiter is good enough to take advantage of the extra range by charging to knock the v/t back and get free smites off.

But this is all theory, I fight against a pure smiter with a V/T and we come out fairly balanced. Keep in mind that they both excel at different places. FOH accomplish many deeds which smite cannot. V/T's are more versatile IMO.

I think this is wrong personally. In no way is it an even match. Depending on your build and gear if built correctly a pure smiter should be blown out of the water. Personally I like T/v's better than the average V/t which is more foh than smite.

What was said about how the smiter would have to use absorb or stacked res in order to void the Foh is true. When the pure smiter need's the extra res in order to keep from dying from a foh svs is where your build should suceed , even if your character is using 9 plain pcombs your smite should trump the pure smiter's damage. If the Smiter doesnt stack res//Sorb your foh then its 1-2 hits to pk them depending on weather theyre using 37 20 life sc's or 20/5's or pcomb lifers//Life//res sc's. The only way youll loose is if the pure smiter has nothing but 20/5's and your life falls below 4k life with bo and all your gear on. THat and also the dreaded tap some times pulls out the upset but more times than not your going to be in victory lane with the v/t build if you know how to use it and your have decent enough gear to pull off the damage dr and resistances yoruself.

[Timmy]

v/t's always have higher smite dmg than regular smiters.. cuz they use pcombs and regular smiters use inv full of 20/5's or 20 vita/something..

There are smiters that use 9 x 45 lifers.

[Camden]

There are smiters that use 9 x 45 lifers.

This - and they can still almost completely mitigate FoH.

[LLD]

Make a V/T.
More versatile(albeit much more expensive)

[Forsaker]

If both use FFA-Equip, the one with fist Lifetab will win.
Even with Holyshield 1 a v/t can smite down a pure Smiter if LT is faster. But a v/t can foh/telesmite a smiter ... thats a nice advantage, because even a low-Dmg Foh stuns the smiter, if there has been a smite-hit before.