View Full Version : Impossible matchup for bvc?
shanelee
24-04-2008, 20:52
Foh with barb shout bot in hell, according to him he has 40k+ def.
-310 resist from convic, facets and hell difficulty. Pretty much 1-2 shot me if I use angelics.
If I dont use angelics I cant touch him with 40k def and max block.
He has grief/exile on switch for gg smiting too since he doesnt need a cta for bo (barb bot again).
Got an idea for this matchup? I am actually building one of these foher too since I have a lvl 92 unused barb lying around...
mainaman
24-04-2008, 21:01
Foh with barb shout bot in hell, according to him he has 40k+ def.
-310 resist from convic, facets and hell difficulty. Pretty much 1-2 shot me if I use angelics.
If I dont use angelics I cant touch him with 40k def and max block.
He has grief/exile on switch for gg smiting too since he doesnt need a cta for bo (barb bot again).
Got an idea for this matchup? I am actually building one of these foher too since I have a lvl 92 unused barb lying around...no matter how much defnce he has as soon as you stack 310+ lr + tgod he is useless, you will ww him till death eventually. I don't believe the 40k defence thing untill I see a s/s.
Cporrect me if I'm wrong but ort kiras(100) lr, 3 res boot say 30 lr, total 130 , you already have 175 in hell , so total 305, hope you use some all res scs or lr scs, so you should be well over 310 if you have the gear ofc.
shanelee
24-04-2008, 22:04
I dont have the stash space for kira + 11lr scs, guess stacking+sorb is the only solution for his foh, what if he switch to grief+exile once he realized you are sorbing?
kira + tgod = no dr = easy smite?
I think 40kdef is with exile out and max shout bot'd.
sweetalmonds
24-04-2008, 22:21
Prebuff fade for dr and resist, demonlimb too sounds good?
Summerfun
24-04-2008, 23:31
As he is using two chars i guess you can to.
Get a druid with maxed HoW and a blessed aim merc and let them stay in town.
Maybe with a bramble armor and a Beast.
Vs foh'ers i normaly use a 6Socket BA with 180LR and 90 ias.
why 90 ias? just use 45ias and 45max dmg or so.
but even that is not really wise, you lose a lot of dmg/ar. there are better stackng methods
Summerfun
25-04-2008, 00:52
I just had the jewels laying on a mule, so i just made it.
Actually, t works really great! i can out stack conviction without loosing CoA and still keep on angelics.
xxxkillerxxx
25-04-2008, 11:06
I just had the jewels laying on a mule, so i just made it.
Actually, t works really great! i can out stack conviction without loosing CoA and still keep on angelics.
And everyone with +1 smite and +1 tele will laugh at you when they telesmite and you do half the damage of normal barbs that already are easy enough lol.
Barbs are so easy to kill with foh/smite so I don't know why anyone would go through all this trouble with two chars. There is no way you can out-bm a pally but chances are this one blows so you can probably kill him with normal tactics, just mule those lightres scs if you want a chance to win.
Barb with normal inventory can't threaten any v/t or t/v.
its true this is a dissadvantaged fight, considering he is using a bo barb giving life/defense, but u have a chance if u use a kira and possibly res boots + enchant and life/res scs and possibly treachery prebuff to give 15% dr as well as 60 all res, Personally i have never been a fan of the ba idea with stack jewels as ur dmg get gimped alot.
shanelee
25-04-2008, 18:49
And everyone with +1 smite and +1 tele will laugh at you when they telesmite and you do half the damage of normal barbs that already are easy enough lol.
Barbs are so easy to kill with foh/smite so I don't know why anyone would go through all this trouble with two chars. There is no way you can out-bm a pally but chances are this one blows so you can probably kill him with normal tactics, just mule those lightres scs if you want a chance to win.
Barb with normal inventory can't threaten any v/t or t/v.
nah if he didnt have the barb bot for a lot more life and def I beat him 4 out of 5 times.
xxxkillerxxx
26-04-2008, 10:58
nah if he didnt have the barb bot for a lot more life and def I beat him 4 out of 5 times.
Then he was bad as I suspected and you'll beat him with barb bo as well, just mule needed gear.
my flamebellow barb is undefeated bvb
prove me wrong
sweetalmonds
26-04-2008, 12:25
my flamebellow barb is undefeated bvb
prove me wrong
My frostwind sword barb > your flamebellow barb :grin:
my flamebellow barb is undefeated bvb
prove me wrong
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My frostwind sword barb > your flamebellow barb :grin:
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mephiztophelez
28-04-2008, 03:01
seeing as your noob opponent is duelling you 2v1, i suggest you do the same.
a pally with a high level Fanat and Might merc?
the afore-mentioned HoW drood?
a neccy to hit 'em with Amp?
a well built, well played BvC should only be in fear of a BvB or a idiot-high defense smiter with 1337 telesmiting skills.
You can counter it by having 2 cd keys. That's what i do with pally smiters who think they've got the upper hand. But if you dun have 2 keys, then too bad unless u use loader.
What I do is I log in my bobarb and buff my bvc with a lvl 54 bo, log out and came back with an enchantress and chant it with a lvl 55 enchant, and there goes. 3v2..
devildriver
12-05-2008, 13:23
i am stealing this idea.
paul leung
15-05-2008, 05:10
after sorb his foh,isn't it ww > smite in term of nature?
Yeah im with everyone else.
Werewolves dominate barbarians.
after sorb his foh,isn't it ww > smite in term of nature?
not entirely by ww i assume u mean whirlwind not wearwolf?
The reason for this is because to negate the foh, u have to use sorb and stack which is more than likey going to lower ur dr levels, ur dmg and ur hp could even affect AR meaning overal it has weakened you.
And if the player is decent at tele smiting and/or desync charge smiting it can sway the tables to a smite>ww way or ww=smite
xxxkillerxxx
16-05-2008, 00:13
after sorb his foh,isn't it ww > smite in term of nature?
No, smite>ww, it's really hard to avoid competent telesmite even if you're fully strbugged and use 823783738 frw scs. And anyone can smack on eth stone, tele amu and cast clay golem on whirling barb then telesmite and win without a sweat lol.
To get foh to the point where you can ignore it completely requires alot of sacrifices and barbs already have trouble with pure smiters.
Gabrielle
16-05-2008, 01:15
It's a bit of an unfair duel. There are even some duelers that precast themself with an enchant sorc + bo barb + oak druid in town which are impossible to beat.
Gabrielle
16-05-2008, 01:17
Yeah im with everyone else.
Werewolves dominate barbarians.
I bet you do :tongue:
AnimeCraze
16-05-2008, 01:48
Is he hacking with the bot so that the barb BO inside town? (rumour has it that there is such a hack, but I am not sure) If not, kill it first. If it is, say he's a haxor and just refuse to dual him.
Gabrielle
16-05-2008, 15:39
Is he hacking with the bot so that the barb BO inside town? (rumour has it that there is such a hack, but I am not sure) If not, kill it first. If it is, say he's a haxor and just refuse to dual him.
It's possible to teleport inside town apparently. :tongue: Precasting with barb bo happens out of out of town though, I meant to say that the druid was in town with a lvl50+ oak sage which he benifits from also.
paul leung
18-05-2008, 08:15
i read in the bvc guild,it refer to a term call' clipping', it said that is skill a barb use mainly for vs smiter(not a exile smiter though), u can switch wep, use dual wizz when u feel pally is going to foh,and switch back to grief+beast when pally smiting, does it work?also barb with fade prepuff can have a every high resist
so lets see 100(from wizz) +66+40(anni,torch)+ natural resist and some resist charm/gears
,the barb can almost resist pally's foh totally.those number is only theroy though,i don't have a wealth to build a bvc.
when i build my necro,i notice to vs a pure foher,i need 325 resist in total to reach 85 resist. So i don't see why a good bvc (not godly) build can't have high resist and maintain good damage/ar with switch in weps.
switch to wizz when chaseing(high resist and faster fcr),then switch back to greif +beast for damage.I don't think a pally is going to foh you when you are clipping his life away
NickaliskTrent
18-05-2008, 09:06
how doesnt clipping work against exile users?
paul leung
18-05-2008, 12:41
the best tatic I can think of is,wait till pally's bo go away(since he not wear a cta ) and slow lead him away from town gate,hence the oak effect is gone.By then ,the pally should have much less life(around 3k life?),hopefully your clipping ww will kill him fast enough before his life tap kick in.If so,just wait again.But since the paly is bm,I think he properly town run before you can finish him.If he charge back to town,it is hard to finish him off
Because werewolves can outrange them
paul leung
19-05-2008, 09:35
but werewolf is slow,9 frame max? and ww is a moving attack.The only chance you got is equi with a shiled which force u to use 1 hand wep
Werewolves have fast fury & shield
what does a wolf do against widowmaker?
to quote max' sig on jsp: "You can't kill what you can't catch."
bballguy
19-05-2008, 14:37
so basically all werewolves > ww barbs?
Uncle_Mike
19-05-2008, 15:01
so basically all werewolves > ww barbs?
Obviously not :)
what does a wolf do against widowmaker?
to quote max' sig on jsp: "You can't kill what you can't catch."
Done lie.
so basically all werewolves > ww barbs?
Sorry. Hate to break the new to you but yeah.
Stevomoo
20-05-2008, 01:49
i just made a wolf and he is very good against barbs, he has 4 frame fur,y range 3, max block and dr, 20k ar, 7k damage and 7k life,
bballguy
20-05-2008, 03:50
But bvcs with doom or widow should > any wolves right? I thought the only hard melee fight for barbs was HIGH def smiters.
paul leung
20-05-2008, 07:51
well,the way i see it,if a wolf is really > barb,then we suppose to see many of them in duel room,right?I didn't see that many.As i say, ww is MOVING attact and 4 frame/per attact also.The only thing a wolf > bvc is wolf got a shield.
mephiztophelez
20-05-2008, 08:08
i've never really had much drama duelling wolves with my BvB.
whirl away works just as well against a wolf as it does vs a smiter.
xxxkillerxxx
20-05-2008, 12:41
Werewolves have fast fury & shield
And range 5, and 10k life, and 5k def, and uhhh... summons.
Stevomoo
20-05-2008, 19:23
But bvcs with doom or widow should > any wolves right? I thought the only hard melee fight for barbs was HIGH def smiters.
if bvc has doom then what is stopping wolf using 1 as well?
if bvc has widdow maker, then harmony on switch and 90 frw from kit/charms (wearing full mele kit) and no guided arrow is catching me, and you will find it very hard to aviod a desynching wolf
Uncle_Mike
20-05-2008, 19:35
The wolf hype truly amazes me :rolleyes:
same here.
seriously ... are you wolf guys serious about that char being able to kill any good dueler with good equipment ft5?
And lots of stuff
but yeah they impossible for barbs
xxxkillerxxx
20-05-2008, 22:45
same here.
seriously ... are you wolf guys serious about that char being able to kill any good dueler with good equipment ft5?
Stevomoo kills all bvcs in europe with his doom/harmony wolf ^^
xxxkillerxxx
20-05-2008, 22:49
i just made a wolf and he is very good against barbs, he has 4 frame fur,y range 3, max block and dr, 20k ar, 7k damage and 7k life,
ROFL ^^^^^^^^^^
Gabrielle
21-05-2008, 00:03
There are a couple of really powerfull wolfs running around. But a fury wolf can't beat a BvC that plays defensive ( let them chase you in the whirls and they die ) and wolfs that use rabies can be absorbed like WW assasins, not that a good BvC would need to resort to such tactics though.
xxxkillerxxx
21-05-2008, 00:11
Although it's extremely rare, there are a couple of really powerfull wolfs running around. But a fury wolf can't beat a BvC that plays defensive ( let them chase you in the whirls and they die ) and wolfs that use rabies can be absorbed pretty much like WW assasins, not that a good BvC would need to resort to such tactics though. Wolfs are hardly the most difficult matchup for a BvC.
( I'm sure guys like Kiba beat good BvC's thought )
Here's a video of kiba dying to a clown barb played by a blind kid lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eax0DncfNjQ
Here's a video of kiba dying to a clown barb played by a blind kid lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eax0DncfNjQ
lol that guy was crap though and he nearly equaled a good wolf. So what happens vs ppl with skill?
xxxkillerxxx
21-05-2008, 12:15
lol that guy was crap though and he nearly equaled a good wolf. So what happens vs ppl with skill?
Wouldn't say the wolf played very good either but shapers remain the easiest chars to kill with barb. I'm not saying that all n00b barbs 10-0 all shapers, just that everything else is harder.
Uncle_Mike
21-05-2008, 13:30
OK, I think we can agree that wolves aren't an impossible matchup.
All that wolf talk is ruining the thread as usual :)
Let's not discuss wolves any further please.
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