Need help with Fury Wolf

[majslayer]

Hi, I am trying to build a fury or fury/rabies wolf. I haven't decided on which one yet. I've already done some research on these two builds but there aren't many updated guides on a pure fury build. My question is mainly what is the best 1 handed weapon for a fury or hybrid wolf (grief pb, ebotdz, or griz)?

[Queen Mebd]

Just in case you haven't seen this one (as it's not in the stickies), here's Jay's 1.11 vita fury guide (http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=539690). It should answer a lot of questions about weapon selection, as all the choices you listed have their merits.

[Verashiden]

Search for EBotD v. Grief. We've covered this more times than I care to remember.

[majslayer]

also would like to know which build (fury or hybrid) is better for general pub dueling.

[Liquid_Evil]

Hybrid hands down.

[Verashiden]

Hybrid is better all around. Pure is better for Melee

[PacoQuerak]

sorry for another off topic, but CallMeJay's jsp profile is just plain racialy offensive lol.

I like pure better cuz i can melee duel + i do much better vs hammerdins and smiters. Peeps say hybrid is better vs smite, but i got wreaked whenever i tried to tag them with it and most of them have really goodly resistance. Since both smite and rabies are uninteruptible it is kind of like a smite duel except you have to hit and they hit auto.

[majslayer]

the problem with the hybrid build is "flashing" which requires dwebs or 20/20 shield. since bo from cta only lasts a little over a minute long, it would require too much switching to keep bo. so how necessary is the "flashing" for a hybrid build? thats one reason im considering just pure fury.

[PacoQuerak]

the problem with the hybrid build is "flashing" which requires dwebs or 20/20 shield. since bo from cta only lasts a little over a minute long, it would require too much switching to keep bo. so how necessary is the "flashing" for a hybrid build? thats one reason im considering just pure fury.

Yeah i found that very annoying. Having a barb friend helps lol if all you want to do is pub i would probobly go hybrid.

[majslayer]

is cta + 20/20 monarch viable? that would i guess be a nice compromise for the two

[Verashiden]

Eh BO doesn't help much on a Wolf. I ran without BO and did well. Rabies switch is more important.

[majslayer]

ok, thanks for all the input everyone.

[Findux]

Yeah, I had CtA in cube first but I got tired to switch all the time. So I ran without bo aswell and did very well.

Fury/Rabies is better vs most chars and also funnier to play.

[The Son Of Disaster]

dont use rabies vs smite imo. either rock the ss and 1 hander or get a long reach 2 hander (doom is best but with restricted stash space the tomb reaver gets the job done) and use fury.

with doom (easier to stash if pure fury) just shift/fury every time you get knocked back, youll land a big hit (providing it is not blocked or misses) and he cant desynch cause teh holyfreeze, this is bm. but pubs is whatever

[majslayer]

doom 1 hander or 2 hander? You were talking about long reach 2 handers but then u said it saves space.

[PacoQuerak]

dont use rabies vs smite imo. either rock the ss and 1 hander or get a long reach 2 hander (doom is best but with restricted stash space the tomb reaver gets the job done) and use fury.

with doom (easier to stash if pure fury) just shift/fury every time you get knocked back, youll land a big hit (providing it is not blocked or misses) and he cant desynch cause teh holyfreeze, this is bm. but pubs is whatever

Naw son, holy freeze is only bm on chars who don't teleport is the usual concensus atleast here in east ladder.

2 hander for smiters, 1 hander for boaz.

[majslayer]

so is it possible to get by without using a 2 hander at all? since smiters can chargelock you if you dont have a shield.

[Queen Mebd]

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't smiters often use Grief phase blades (as opposed to berserker axes in spite of the extra range) as to not lose any fpa when being holy freeze flashed by Doom wielding characters (think: BvCs)? If this is the case I don't see the utility in bothering to acquire or stash a Doom polearm.

Also, I'd still stick to using an eBotDz and Stormshield against smiters. Granted two-handed polearms have more range (you'll still outrange most with the berserker, and you can always grid), charge is a baseline 5 fpa attack regardless of WIAS, SIAS, or OIAS if memory serves me right. This is still faster than the initial attack of fury.

[PacoQuerak]

Just remembered too, grief is bm haha.

[superjayson]

holy freeze is way more bm than greif.

[Verashiden]

Rabies for Smiters. But don't just c lick on them and wait until you hit. Bite once, then walk away to set up another bite. Once you get a bite, walk and let them charge, then Fury then walk. That's what I learned to do anyways >.>.

[PacoQuerak]

I contend that it is impossible for melee to bm smiters.

[Findux]

Why the hell would Grief be BM?! :shocked:

And I do exactly like you do against smiters, Verashi :tongue:

[PacoQuerak]

Because it does more damage than any other one handed pvp weapon and makes the game less fun, so smart people decided to stop using it...

[Queen Mebd]

Because it does more damage than any other one handed pvp weapon and makes the game less fun, so smart people decided to stop using it...

Wait, "smart" people actually chose to stop using something that was actually quite effective in its own right for something of less utility?

Perhaps said people don't like the idea of rare phase blades which cost obscene amounts of symposium silver being made obsolete by a runeword weapon that can be made with a lo at most. :prop:

[PacoQuerak]

Lol, I am not sure but i am pretty positive that Death Scythe is > grief pb. I find that griswold's cadecous performs only slightly worse than grief pb. Also, no that's not true, a 4 frame pb and a ebotdz have greater utility than a grief pb, like i said grief pb is only greater than ebotdz in strait up melee duels. Not an easy thing to hit a whirlwind barb with range 3 with a range 2 weapon who's first hit is 9 frame while the barbs is 4. You won't hit a zon. You will have much more trouble hitting casters. Also ebotdz just sounds sooo cool.

[Findux]

Wait... So Grief is'nt allowed since it does the most damage? :shocked:

lol >.>

[superjayson]

Wait... So Grief is'nt allowed since it does the most damage? :shocked:

lol >.>

i know ahaha. great logic, right ?

[PacoQuerak]

Also it adds poison damage which kinda throws off melee duels. Cmon guys, melee duels would litteraly be less fun if grief was allowed because most of the time anyone who wanted to use a different weapon would lose to it. This way people can expairement and decide for themselves which works best on what. For example i find zealers who use e deathz to be the most challanging for my fury druid, while death cleaver would probobly be better vs zealers? or mabee not? Options > the one to beat them all.

[superjayson]

im on your side. i just ditched my fc druid because the gear he had was too good. im a smart people.

[PacoQuerak]

im on your side. i just ditched my fc druid because the gear he had was too good. im a smart people.

Don't get me wrong i think fc ss's are awsome! I think in general they are better than fury vs whirlwind barbs esspecialy in a pub format! Also probobly better vs any caster besides a hammerdin or wind druid, better vs boazons, better vs melee assassins. Except for the fact they can be zorbed. I just don't think they can beat a top fury druid, even if the fury doesn't use the gm one piece of zorb or +10 stack. I like fury better basicaly because I think it is better vs the charecters which i generaly find the most annoyoing in duels and isn't that much worse vs the others i mentioned. I think that fc has a lot of trouble vs both hammerdins and wind druids correct?

Dude I <3 your guide : D

Ooh wait i misread what you said, but who cares i wanted to say that stuff anyways rofl.

[Findux]

Then we can just ditch Enigma, Smite, Exile, etc etc...

[superjayson]

Don't get me wrong i think fc ss's are awsome! I think in general they are better than fury vs whirlwind barbs esspecialy in a pub format! Also probobly better vs any caster besides a hammerdin or wind druid, better vs boazons, better vs melee assassins. Except for the fact they can be zorbed. I just don't think they can beat a top fury druid, even if the fury doesn't use the gm one piece of zorb or +10 stack. I like fury better basicaly because I think it is better vs the charecters which i generaly find the most annoyoing in duels and isn't that much worse vs the others i mentioned. I think that fc has a lot of trouble vs both hammerdins and wind druids correct?

Dude I <3 your guide : D

Ooh wait i misread what you said, but who cares i wanted to say that stuff anyways rofl.


no dude, i own the top windys/hammerdins on NL nightly. hammer_godz, i_pitty_the_hammer, passingwind, gullible123. all these jsp kids = owned by me !!!

windy's aren't hard, unless they know not to teleport on me or near my shockwave. hammerdins depends on gear/experience and fire res.

[PacoQuerak]

no dude, i own the top windys/hammerdins on NL nightly. hammer_godz, i_pitty_the_hammer, passingwind, gullible123. all these jsp kids = owned by me !!!

windy's aren't hard, unless they know not to teleport on me or near my shockwave. hammerdins depends on gear/experience and fire res.

Nice. You must be really very good, but how do you deal with desynch? Also you contradict yourself a bit, just cuz i wouldn't think a top windy would be dumb enough to telestomp you lol. You must have really good namelocking skillz as well.

Also, i won't go as low as you to say you are going into the pitfall of loving your own char so much you think it is superior to all others but...ehem.

LOL

zzz you don't got any videos or anything do yah? I almost feal like gettin a char rushed to hell nl just so i can see you in action.

Then we can just ditch Enigma, Smite, Exile, etc etc...

LOL WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???? Enigma is bad for melee duels, smite is not part of melee duels, exile is also bm in melee duels, unless it is zealer vs zealer. I don't think you are even listening to me, I don't think grief is bm vs regular duels, I simply said it is only better than ebotdz in melee duels where it is bm on tah east ladder, geeze.

[superjayson]

Nice. You must be really very good, but how do you deal with desynch? Also you contradict yourself a bit, just cuz i wouldn't think a top windy would be dumb enough to telestomp you lol. You must have really good namelocking skillz as well.

Also, i won't go as low as you to say you are going into the pitfall of loving your own char so much you think it is superior to all others but...ehem.

LOL

zzz you don't got any videos or anything do yah? I almost feal like gettin a char rushed to hell nl just so i can see you in action.



im not contradicting myself. I said windy's are easy if they dont telestomp me. key word is if.

i love my char, but i know its limits. i dont make rediculous claims that its a top melee dueler and can own top classes like you do every other day.

ps just incase you didnt realize, i made up all those names.

[PacoQuerak]

im not contradicting myself. I said windy's are easy if they dont telestomp me. key word is if.

i love my char, but i know its limits. i dont make rediculous claims that its a top melee dueler and can own top classes like you do every other day.

ps just incase you didnt realize, i made up all those names.

LOL OWN.

You seriously don't even think that fury druids are A top melee dueler?
I didn't say a top melee dueler, i said they are the best melee vs all. As in zealers are somewhar arguably not as good vs all and conc is only good vs other melee.

Oh and I litteraly do kill top jsp kids if you look at the legit dueling section and the sticky East Ladder World Ladder I have killed "Shake" multiple times and many other people who are close to being on this list. Unfortunatly i have not had the opertunity to duel anyone else on the list, everytime i see QT-fate the game is mad bm and i can't 1 on 1 him and end up joining his team lol. I wouldn't say i kill the top duelers, i would say that i can and will some of the time. I will also kill the majority of the top dueling classes. You gotta train hard if you want to beat me...etc...

I go to their games and have loads of fun and sure i get creamed a lot but i rack up my fair share of kills as well vs top players tyvm.

[Findux]

LOL WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???? Enigma is bad for melee duels, smite is not part of melee duels, exile is also bm in melee duels, unless it is zealer vs zealer. I don't think you are even listening to me, I don't think grief is bm vs regular duels, I simply said it is only better than ebotdz in melee duels where it is bm on tah east ladder, geeze.

I am not talking about melee duels, but over all. If Grief is'nt allowed in melee duels since it does the most damage, we can just ditch Enigma for the overpowered teleport, smite since it's unblockable etc.

Oh damn, I forgot to click on Caps Lock button :banghead:

[superjayson]

LOL OWN.

You seriously don't even think that fury druids are A top melee dueler?
I didn't say a top melee dueler, i said they are the best melee vs all. As in zealers are somewhar arguably not as good vs all and conc is only good vs other melee.

Oh and I litteraly do kill top jsp kids if you look at the legit dueling section and the sticky East Ladder World Ladder I have killed "Shake" multiple times and many other people who are close to being on this list. Unfortunatly i have not had the opertunity to duel anyone else on the list, everytime i see QT-fate the game is mad bm and i can't 1 on 1 him and end up joining his team lol. I wouldn't say i kill the top duelers, i would say that i can and will some of the time. I will also kill the majority of the top dueling classes. You gotta train hard if you want to beat me...etc...

I go to their games and have loads of fun and sure i get creamed a lot but i rack up my fair share of kills as well vs top players tyvm.

You really got to stop using JSP to back up your claims. JSP is a horrible site, with horrible people(I know theres some exceptions but im talking in general here). That site is a joke. The people who frequent that site are the same tools you expect to meet in pubs, which no one respects. No one is impressed that you can kill pubs or random kids from jsp. This is a select crowd you're dueling aka a sample size. It does not prove anything.

Sorry dude but i'll never be able to take you seriously if this is what you're using to back up your claims.

shapeshifters are far from crap, but they are not close to being a top anything in the pvp world.

This doesnt mean you cant be competitive with one cause theres so many variables in what makes a good dueler. Believe me though when i say im obviously a huge backer in shapeshifters being more of a better dueling class, but its an up hill climb and someone like you have done nothing more than what most of us have done for years to put fury druids/fc druids etc in the top of anything. One day you will learn this.

[PacoQuerak]

I would say that people on this website are overall nicer, but the people on d2jsp forum Legit dueling are by and large extremly good while much of the adivice i read on this site is complete and utter crap. This is the nice guy play for fun website and d2jsp is the insane skumbag play d2 for a living website. Just read the advice and guides on d2jsp, they are by and large superior to ones found here. But, this whole conversation is complete and utter crap, we are just arguing over our opinions. However i am truly speaking from experience, i can beat top diablo 2 duelers, it has happened before and it will happen again.

I am not talking about melee duels, but over all. If Grief is'nt allowed in melee duels since it does the most damage, we can just ditch Enigma for the overpowered teleport, smite since it's unblockable etc.

Oh damn, I forgot to click on Caps Lock button :banghead:

Hm, i guess caps lock didn't get you to pay atenchion well enough. You are responding to what i said and in this case i don't think you even read what i said, you just posted the same stuff twice.

Go ahead and use enigma in melee duels, no one is going to be upset, it's perfectly good mannered, but you aren't going to win with it : / (as was shown when CielingCat annihilated Obsession without losing once) Teleport does nothing for you in melee duels so it isn't even factored into the equasion. And of course smite is bm in melee duels, have you ever seen a smiter duel a zealer? The zealer dies almost instantly to the worst smiter. I guess you must not have ever melee dueled.

[Queen Mebd]

**Disclaimer: this doesn't have much to do with fury wolf help**

I would say that people on this website are overall nicer, but the people on d2jsp forum Legit dueling are by and large extremly good while much of the adivice i read on this site is complete and utter crap. This is the nice guy play for fun website and d2jsp is the insane skumbag play d2 for a living website. Just read the advice and guides on d2jsp, they are by and large superior to ones found here. But, this whole conversation is complete and utter crap, we are just arguing over our opinions. However i am truly speaking from experience, i can beat top diablo 2 duelers, it has happened before and it will happen again.

I'll admit I don't agree with the assessment that "much of the adivice. . .on this is site is complete and utter crap" (just read the pvp forums if you haven't, TienJe, WizAdept, mainaman and other make regular contributions to discussions), however I was actually interested in the claim that the "advice and guides on d2jsp" where "by and large superior," so I took a little stroll over and had a look at the legit dueling section.

Here's what I found from reading a good chunk of posts on the first page (I'm sorry I only listed nine, I can only read so much internet slang). Since I can't claim any readership on the aforementioned site you'll have to let me know if this cross section is in fact representative:

1. in a "bug armor" topic the poster was asking about cube glitching armors for the defense. One commenter replied to make Fortitude out of it, and that Fortitude 'magically triples the defense' of the armor as a 'hidden bonus.' Anyone that can read the Summit would know there is no 'hidden bonus,' but this is simply the 300 percent enhanced defense mod conferred by the runeword.

2. a query asking for a "real t/v build."

3. a post asking for "ias breakpoints for bowa." I didn't have a chance to read any of the guides but I'd imagine such information should be found there. I know we have tables stickied in the amazon forum thanks to Kijya and such breakpoints are covered in his and TienJe's pvp hybrid amazon guide extensively. Yet we get the occasional post asking for clarification as well.

4. this post was asking for the "best pvm sin guide." Suggestions were made for a lightning sentry trapper using Infinity. Someone by the name of Pacoquerak (would this be our own PacoQuerak?) recommended a kicker for the Tristram triplets. Some gear suggestions included Laying of Hands, great for the ias and fire resistance, however it's pretty common knowledge damage to demons doesn't work with kicks (check jrichard's kicking basics), nor does the deadly strike on Highlord's that was also suggested. Blade fury was suggested in conjunction with a weapon with ignores target's defense, which TienJe has noted here in some of the commentary on ghost wwsins that there appears to be a hidden ar check in the chance to hit mechanic.

5. was a "question about auras 4 sorc" asking about a melee sorceress, using an HoJ was suggested against, though no mention of the double application mechanic of mastery and melee attacks came up.

6. Fireclaws guide, I was actually impressed with this one.

7. Blizzard sorceress "guide," it appeared more to be more a build sheet and gear list as the actual strategies were quite sparse.

8. "question on cold sorc" was a basic should I make an blizzard sorc or orb sorc query. The person that made the 'magic hidden bonus' of Fortitude comment replied with a 'this vague generality > that vague generality' comment without putting either build in context nor explaining how the first hit of blizzard is bugged in that it often doesn't get absorbed. I didn't catch this coming up in the whole of the discussion.

9. "question about smiter weapon and shield" was asking which setup to use.

Granted this is no means an in-depth qualitative comparison, but it as least highlights that some of the "adivice" on the other site is, shall we say not of the utmost veracity. Maybe the assertion that the other site's guides and commentary are "by and large superior" is a bit problematic. Again, this depends on exactly how representative this little cross section is, and for that I look to Paco for some help with the interpretation.

p.s. I'm really glad we're having a discussion of this caliber, I just want to keep in grounded in qualitative- if not quantitatively-verifiable information.

[PacoQuerak]

YEah, your write, a lot of the information in that is bogus, but you didn't mention at all the stickies.

I guess i should have been more specific. I find there is more valuable information there if you root through all the gunk. For instance, InkAndDagger is deffinatly been the most useful information giver to me out of anyone and he is allowed to post there. He is banned on this website lol. whatev anyways, i am pretty much giving up on this site : ( peace out yall.

Also, that's not the legit dueling section you were lookin at. Also, i admited that there are loads of random spawn on the site who are rediculously silly and off topic and so on... But there are fantastic jewels on that site.

Actualy the best guide that doesn't have a better counterpart on that site imo is superjason's.
And i don't think this site is void of good information, i just know that a lot of what i have read is inferior to others on d2jsp. Hey this site might even average a better score lol, what i am finding really annoying here though is that i keep trying to help people with advice and i keep getting
"teamed" on without much substantiated evidence that i am wrong. Whatever.

Verashadin you rule however. SuperJason you know lots about bears but i can't say the same about wolves and you deffinatly seem to like to rub my fur the wrong way. I can't say i am esspecialy crazy about anyone else here however. Good luck to you all.
Oh how could i forget jary and there are a couple cool blokes out there too. Sorry my mind is clouded..

Just failed on asking a girl out : / pretty sure she has a thing for me though, she just aint in the mood atm i guess.

[Queen Mebd]

I'm sorry if I went a little overboard there, I was just doing what I naturally do well when I hear a claim that doesn't quite jive - go look for some information as a counterfactual -it was by all no means something directed at you personally (just the claim if that makes sense). I apologize if I've given the wrong impression. :flowers:

You're right as well, I think I ended up digging through the strategy and guides section (seemed like a likely place to look for qualitative examples of advice, plus guides are the best of the polished works, and might leave out some of the everyday discussion). From the looks of it there are people who have misconceptions about game mechanics and how things work where ever you go.

Anywho, I'd encourage you to not give up on us so quickly, you've really done a lot to stir up discussion around here that's gone beyond "do I want oak sage or a wolverine heart for my fury druid?" which us regulars have a tendency to spam once they've been answered.

As for the last bit, it always stinks when you like someone and they don't like you back. But if you think there's something there, respect her decision for the time being, that shows a lot of character and who knows, might eventually convince her otherwise. I'm sure we could give you plenty more bad advice if you feel like posting in the OT sometime. :thumbsup:

[PacoQuerak]

Hey thanks. I dunno i get dreary some times, this site is deffinatly refreshing compared to d2jsp becuz more than half the players there seem to need to renforce their ego by being rediculous and constantly rideculing. Also people are much more willing to discuss options and so on. I aint gonna leave yet i realized this about 5 minnutes affter i posted that LOL.

Oh man if you want a necromancer summoning guide that blows away all others i have seen. Check out A necro Summoner for the ages..Something like that. It's not sticked yet but it is really ingenuous.

About that girl, i didn't actualy ask her out lol i failed too, because the I guess through my own calculations the time wasn't right lol... I definatly wanted to though as i was much more interested in hanging out with her than playing diablo 2. You can see how i would become sore lol.

Oh and about my personal findings with HOW vs OAk i think Oak is pretty much better in duels except vs hammerdins and smiters. With how vs a smiter they may target your how but there is a good chance you will hit them before they kill it and recive a bonus while with oak, they simply charge it and charge lock you and take an ez chunk of your life. Vs hammerdins i prefer how because the best way to put one down quickly is to one hit them. With my last how setup that required too much extra strength i was able to hit 18k with tombreaver. Now i do 14k and i win much more consistantly vs all. So you guys were mostly right imo lol... With that setup i could reach 5500 but now i reach 9500 life.