Question about Str glitch and corpse pickup

[churinga]

Hi, if I'm relying on some of my gears to provide str for my other gears, is it counted as str glitch? So, if I do so, for example, my Engima+Gloves provide str for my helm, then when I die, can I pick up the corpse with a single click? If I die for many times (<16), and rejoin the game, will it be dangerous to lose items? Thanks!

[DayDream]

You will be able to pick it up with a single click but if you remove enigma or the glove, then you won't be able to pick up the helmet at once.

As long as all of your items are on one corpse, you can die as many times as you want before leaving the game but becareful that you aren't wearing anything/have anything on another corpse as you will lose whichever costs lost to vendor.

[churinga]

You will be able to pick it up with a single click but if you remove enigma or the glove, then you won't be able to pick up the helmet at once.

As long as all of your items are on one corpse, you can die as many times as you want before leaving the game but becareful that you aren't wearing anything/have anything on another corpse as you will lose whichever costs lost to vendor.

Thanks! :tongue: Does it mean that if I die, I just need to make sure my body is "clean", i.e. not to wear anything on myself before picking up the corpse, and I will be fine no matter how many times I die or whether I leave the game and rejoin?

[mephiztophelez]

Ernir's Things you SHOULD know about d2, section 10 (http://www.battle.net/forums/thread.aspx?fn=d2-general&t=1312543&p=1&#post1312543)

10. What is the "strength bug", and how does it work?

There are two glitches commonly referred to as the "strength bug".
The first one is rather harmless. When you don't have the base stats needed to equip an item, other players will not see the item, even though they are there and take full effect. This can be quite humorous when a "naked" barbarian stands in the middle of a monster pack and "punches" them to death. Another example is when Amazons throw Lightning Furies with their bare hands. This is not a hack, merely a display issue.
The second glitch is somewhat more serious. This is when you do not have the base OR end stats to equip an item that has +stats, making the item sustain itself. Example:
Your character has 150 strength after all gear, excluding the shield. You want to equip a Stormshield. In order to reach the 156 strength required, you put a charm in your inventory that gives you +6 to strength, giving you 156 strength, enough for Monarchs. You can now equip the shield. This brings your total strength to 186 with the strength bonus from the Stormshield. Now this is where the glitch comes is: You can now remove the charm from your inventory, but the +strength from the shield will still be enough to equip the shield. The shield is now, in effect, supporting itself. This is an extremely dangerous practise, because if you die, you will not be able to reequip all of your gear, so if you die again, you will be left with multiple corpses. Since only one corpse (the one with the most valuable items... in gold) will be transferred to the next game you enter, abusing this glitch to save stat points is an excellent way to lose your gear. Excepted from this are hardcore players, who lose all their gear anyway when they die.

On a related note, using +stats from items to equip other items is not a "glitch". This is perfectly natural. However, doing this can sometimes result in needing to click your corpse multiple times to get all your gear back, and having to pick up and reequip items when you enter a game. The order that items are respawned on your character was provided by Ortliebj:
Head
Neck
Torso
Right Arm
Left Arm
Right Ring
Left Ring
Belt
Feet
Gloves
Inventory (meaning charms, etc.)

Right hand from the character's perspective, so glove side and then boot side.

Ruvunal discovered the initial order of item pickup upon corpse retrieval. He tested, verified and updated it after 1.09 and 1.10.


Meaning... if your helm provides you with the stats you need to equip your armor, you will only need to click your corpse once. However, if your armor provides you with the strength you need to equip your helm, you will have to click twice, as the helm is left on the ground the first time you click.

Using +stats CAN cause you to lose items if you are killed the moment you are clicking to pick up your items and the order doesn't match with the strength requirements of the items. This is no where near as dangerous as glitch-equipping your gear, but it is nevertheless something to keep in mind.
Addition pointed out by Bonkshasa - if you have enough room in your backpack to pick up all your items, you won't lose them, even if you are not able to equip them right away. This is rarely the case these days (when PvPing your inventory is full of charms, and in PvM the potions from your belt probably filled up any available space already), but this could very well be the difference between losing your Crown of Ages or keeping it.

Disclaimer: The factual accuracy of the item pickup order is currently under dispute.

[churinga]

Meaning... if your helm provides you with the stats you need to equip your armor, you will only need to click your corpse once. However, if your armor provides you with the strength you need to equip your helm, you will have to click twice, as the helm is left on the ground the first time you click.


I did an experiment today... My COA needs Engima to add str to be equipped. And I have my friend kill me twice, and reentered the game. I could still re-equip everything with a single click on the corpse... How to explain this? :undecided:

[mephiztophelez]

I did an experiment today... My COA needs Engima to add str to be equipped. And I have my friend kill me twice, and reentered the game. I could still re-equip everything with a single click on the corpse... How to explain this? :undecided:

i'd put it down to:
Disclaimer: The factual accuracy of the item pickup order is currently under dispute.

bottom line: once you do your strength stat-spend on your character, do a test to make sure you can pick everything up before dumping everything into vitality.

[churinga]

bottom line: once you do your strength stat-spend on your character, do a test to make sure you can pick everything up before dumping everything into vitality.

Yeah, I agree... I have a Barb that usually can pick up his corpse in one click (he also depends on gears to add str for other gears, but no glitch). However, yesterday, he died twice in Uber. Between two death, he didn't equip anything else, and wasn't able to pick up his first corpse. Then, when he rejoined the game, he could only pick up a few items on the corpse, with the rest items gone... :cry: So, maybe a successful test isn't even enough... Am I missing anything?

[churinga]

bottom line: once you do your strength stat-spend on your character, do a test to make sure you can pick everything up before dumping everything into vitality.

Also, what if the test fails? Although it indicates my base str is not enough, will I actually lose items by conducting such tests?

[mephiztophelez]

Also, what if the test fails? Although it indicates my base str is not enough, will I actually lose items by conducting such tests?

you shouldn't lose anything doing the test. i mean, the person who's helping you is a friend yeah?

if you can't pick up your corpse in the first click, try clicking again. if that doesn't work, remove some charms from your inventory and the unequippable items should go in the inventory.

[dainbramage]

So long as you're not killed while half-equipped (i.e. creating two equipped corpses, then NK'd/dropped out of the game), you're sweet.

If you don't want to test with a friend, join a pvp game and say "i R nub kill me pl0x", then rejoin after you're killed to have your corpse in town.

[churinga]

So long as you're not killed while half-equipped (i.e. creating two equipped corpses, then NK'd/dropped out of the game), you're sweet.

If you don't want to test with a friend, join a pvp game and say "i R nub kill me pl0x", then rejoin after you're killed to have your corpse in town.

So, let me make it clear: the principle should be -- never wear *anything* on yourself when you have one or more corpse out there before you can pick up all of them, then I will be safe. Is that right? Thanks!

[churinga]

One more question regarding to this issue: even if i cannot pick up the corpse by one click, can i clear like 4x2 inventory space, and pick up the gears from the corpse one by one with multiple clicks (possibly more than two clicks) until everything is back? Thanks.

[dainbramage]

There needs to be enough room for everything that doesn't get put on you to go into your invent.


As for corpses - make sure that you don't have gear in more than one place (except stash/inventory), so that if you're forced to leave the game, it will all be recovered (as only one corpse will follow, and that is the corpse with the most 'valuable' items by gold).

[churinga]

There needs to be enough room for everything that doesn't get put on you to go into your invent.


As for corpses - make sure that you don't have gear in more than one place (except stash/inventory), so that if you're forced to leave the game, it will all be recovered (as only one corpse will follow, and that is the corpse with the most 'valuable' items by gold).

If there is not enough room in my inventory to pick up everything not put on me, can I get partial gear into the inventory by clicking on the corpse, put them to stash, and click the corpse again to collect the remaining gears?

[Uncle_Mike]

If there is not enough room in my inventory to pick up everything not put on me, can I get partial gear into the inventory by clicking on the corpse, put them to stash, and click the corpse again to collect the remaining gears?

Yes, but that might be difficult to pull off and dangerous in a pub game. Best technique as mentioned above is to have a friend kill you in a private game to check if you can pick up your body.

[churinga]

Yes, but that might be difficult to pull off and dangerous in a pub game. Best technique as mentioned above is to have a friend kill you in a private game to check if you can pick up your body.

Could you please explain why it is dangerous in pub games? Will my gears just explode out of my corpse? :shocked:

I did the test with my friend. I had him kill me twice consecutively, with the second time naked. And I rejoined the private game, and could pick up the corpse with one single click. Does that mean I will be safe all the time, as long as I'm not half-equipped in the future? Thanks! :grin:

[mainaman]

So, let me make it clear: the principle should be -- never wear *anything* on yourself when you have one or more corpse out there before you can pick up all of them, then I will be safe. Is that right? Thanks!The principle is if you can pick up corpse don't equip other gear to pick up the first corpse, you will lose the respective item if you rejoin the game, i.e you equip belt for more str, you lose the belt you had on before etc. you can only do that in the same game , easiest way to deal with all that is as suggested above put charms in stash then all gear will be in inv. Generally you need to stats your char like this, use all gear that gives you min possible str bonus then add enough to cover for the heaviest item (coa in this case) then you are set. Example: say you use trangs/nigma/gores/arach/beast, equip those and add enough to str to be able to equip coa. when you switch to dracks you will have added more str so you will not be bugged, and NEVER rely on rings to add str for you unless you are not swaping them ever.