paladin question

[trashX]

dont mean to be rude, but is there any way to beat a smiter or a foh without having godly equip, or did blizzard just over-do it on the paladins strength
also, usually when im in pubbys, there is one barb( me ) and 7 palas, does noone make any different chars anymore?
(sorry if this sounds like a whiners thread)

[saellison]

Against most clueless pub smiters, with a decently equipped barb you should be able to just WW away and kill them. Agaisnt FoH staking light res to nulify conviction is a good way to go aout it. If you can't stack another but much harder approach is to tele in hit them and tele out quickly since Conviciton takes a second or so to get on you. I don't know if this will work with a barb, but it works with my necro against pub FoH.

[trashX]

thanks mate, it just seems like even a griswold-set smiter can do a pretty nasty amount of damage. to the fohs.. any abs equip i should look for?
uniques i mean, i have blackhorns face as a switch helm, but is there better stuff?

[mystified]

FoH is mostly with -res dmg. fully synergied foh deals about 7~8K which is actually not much after all the pvp and res, but its the res.

so use kira's for extra stack res, or if you wish 160 res monarch. charms should do the trick most of times.

u also got wisp projector and t-god which are usual staples to use aginst hight light dmg chars.

foh is just hard against barbs. barb is simply not the best approach.

[trashX]

thanks for the replies :) but also to my other question, have people forgotten about other chars than paladins, since it seems they are all i see in duel games

[mystified]

to ansewr that, no not all people have forgotten them
but

1) they are easy to bm with
2) they don't require half a skill or brain
3) they are near unkillerable in certain situations (although i;ve seen a smite with life tab still lose to barb rofl)
4) they usually sorb to the max and still not lose any killing power (unlike casters or other melee)

not surprisingly, the first, no, ALL description fits in perfectly well with 95% of pub dueller (just also happen to be same percentage as hammerdin population). ofc, this is not an accurate figure. there is error of +/- 5%

[trashX]

i dont really have a problem with hammerdins, ive played one and even though they have high dmg they are pretty tough to use getting on the enemy switching aura casting, make sure your enemy isnt in the blind spot and so on
and also-lol at the smiter who lost to a barb xD

[shanelee]

I find most pub smiter and foh pretty easy,
vs smiter use angelic PLUS hisaru for insane AR and clip them.
vs foh I use hisaru for AR and other normal gears, just hit and tele out conviction seems to take 1-2 secs to apply so it is not hard to do.

[mainaman]

i dont really have a problem with hammerdins, ive played one and even though they have high dmg they are pretty tough to use getting on the enemy switching aura casting, make sure your enemy isnt in the blind spot and so on
and also-lol at the smiter who lost to a barb xD
barbs have good chance vs smiters, especially bad pub ones.
as for your problem how about you make bone necro or just grab hammerdin?

[trashX]

thanks for the tele advice, mind telling me what exactly hsarus is? :P
to answer you mainaman i dont want to duel to win i want to duel to have fun, if i lose it bugs me but its not what counts, whsat starts to annoy me is when u get shift smited(ignores def blocking and always hits btw) to death by a "non-skill-player" for lack of words
i had a bone necro and it was fun, but now i have a barb and he is fun, whats not so fun is always dueling paladins, im not saying they are unbeatable but its gets boring that nearly after every won duel i here "kk noob i get gosu char k" and then they come in with foh or smite and preceed to nk me a few hundred times(exagerated)

[mystified]

set that give u def and ar bonus if you wear its boot and belt. rather nice combo to use itf you are typical bvc using 2 x raven and highlords.

[trashX]

i usually use angelics so i htought my ar was covered
guess i was wrong, gotta get that def-ar stuff

[shanelee]

If the smiter is using e-bug exile you need 25k-30k ar to consistently hit them in my experience, if they use hoz 15k-20k ar is more than enough.

edit: oh yeah just tele away if lifetap'd, widow them if they are not tele smite too.

[mainaman]

thanks for the tele advice, mind telling me what exactly hsarus is? :P
to answer you mainaman i dont want to duel to win i want to duel to have fun, if i lose it bugs me but its not what counts, whsat starts to annoy me is when u get shift smited(ignores def blocking and always hits btw) to death by a "non-skill-player" for lack of words

well shift smiters are the easiest thing to kill on a bvc sorry to say that ...
as for foh, well they have no block usually, grab f cr rings with 30 light res and ar, tgod, 3 res boot, and nl tele ww in the direction they charge, or nl tele 3 ww if they stop and try to foh and tank you, if you do tight 3-ww you will be fine.

[trashX]

may i ask how they are easy? a normal smiter does around1.5k dmg, wich ingores def and block, thats around 4hits and im dead
im getting a widowmaker though, so that outa stop their "camping"

[DayDream]

may i ask how they are easy? a normal smiter does around1.5k dmg, wich ingores def and block, thats around 4hits and im dead
im getting a widowmaker though, so that outa stop their "camping"

Can either just ww around and clip them or teleport behind them and clip them.

[trashX]

then they let go of shift, and smite me to death like that..
@mainaman, just realised this^^ if a smiter is easy to kill with a bvc then isnt it really a bvs? (barb vs smiter)
i should htink casters are easiest vs a bvc(barb vs casters)

[DayDream]

then they let go of shift, and smite me to death like that..
@mainaman, just realised this^^ if a smiter is easy to kill with a bvc then isnt it really a bvs? (barb vs smiter)
i should htink casters are easiest vs a bvc(barb vs casters)

How about ww clipping away past them? not sideways :P I haven't gotten hit whenever I do a good one even with them releasing shift.
Widow maker is risky, they'll chain charge ya.

[trashX]

charge is an easy lose for the smiter ;) just whirl away
the widows to make them lose their cool

[DayDream]

They can desynch and catch you by surprise while you have widow out,it happens.. If you get charged once with your widow out, you won't be able to switch as long as he hits you which will be pretty constant considering no shield.

[trashX]

meh once again folied by a paladins imba-ness

[mainaman]

then they let go of shift, and smite me to death like that..
@mainaman, just realised this^^ if a smiter is easy to kill with a bvc then isnt it really a bvs? (barb vs smiter)
i should htink casters are easiest vs a bvc(barb vs casters)just because its called bvc doesn't mean they cant kill noncasters...

[trashX]

istn what im saying, but shouldnt casters be easier than smiters with a bvc?

[shanelee]

I love dueling smiters (pub ones, havnet lost a ft5 yet).
what is your bvc's AR? 20k is good for average ones. Also you must have 50% or close to 50% dr.

try to clip them this way

......O../...
........./....
......./......
...../.......
...X.........

X=barb O=smiter

or to the left but same shape.