The Etf Dueling Tournament 2008.

[patriach owen]

UHUH... Its back.... The Etf Dueling Tournament 2008 Is HERE !!!!!

Intro.

Last year i hosted the 1st official ETF dueling tournament and with a pittiful 12 applicants it was over too quick. After Normannen was aclaimed Winner of the last one he sugested to me that in the next dueling tourny i introduce a league table. This is what i aim to do exactly.

<~~~~RULES~~~~>

No potions. (incl.antidotes and thawing etc.)
No Mercanaries.
Any general "BM" will result in an automatic loss of that "Match".
No entering town after the duel has started.
No 3rd party programs or hacks to be used (OFC).
No chat spamming (yes people do try to use this to win:D)
HAVE FUN !

The Duel.

1. Duelers enter game with a referee, this can be anyone that i am able to contact to ask for help in times of dispute. (The referee is not always necesary as not all players will have the risk of a dispute between them but you dont have to duel without a ref if you dont want to.)

2. Precasting/Bo'ing summoning etc,etc is to be done.

3. Players are to get in to an agreed "fair" starting position this must be off of each others screens.

4. Both players signal that they are ready eg. "g" "go" "ready" etc.

5. As soon as one player dies or breaks a rule the other player gains 1match point.

6. Its best of 3 so there are a maximum of 2 points available per match.


Then you post the results of youre match back here :)

E.g

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~~Patriach Owen 2~~
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~~Forum Master 0~~~
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Then i will add the results to the League Table and post it here :)


IF YOU ARE INTERESTED PLEASE POST HERE!

For Entry Fill In The Below.

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Acc: *
Name: (optional)
Class:
Build:
LLD/MLD/HLD:

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!ALSO I NEED SUGESTIONS!

WHAT DO YOU WANT DIFFERENT?
WHAT ARE THE LEVEL BOUNDARIES FOR LLD/MLD/HLD?
WHAT OTHER RULES DO YOU WANT?
WHAT PRIZE SHOULD/SHOULDNT THERE BE?

Thanks.
<~-~-~-OweN-~-~-~> (http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=649587)

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[kmk-soldier]

Ladder or non ladder?

[Dizzymjewu]

Would be nice to spice it up with an inlay, say ~Um, and make a prize where the winner gets 60% of total inlay, runner up 30% and third 10% (this is just a suggestion). With this system, referees are a must in matches though..

I've no char that's ready to go though, so i will be eagerly looking forward to a future round.

edit: Yeah Um may be steep indeed, and i completely agree with you if you're saying that it'd be more for funs and skill to win this tournament. Good idea of the home / away thingy!

[patriach owen]

OMG i forgot the most important thing xD

LADDER

@dizzy , there are many people that will think that finding an Um is like winning the lottery as they are soo poor and they may still wish to take part in this tournament and as last time the entry fee was set at a pul in the end, and then many people said they would have taken part in the competition if there as no fee and it was more for FUN than a prize, also this give speople that prefer to make different build a good place to test them as they wont have to pay and the duels are hopefully going to be very well structured. But yeah refs would be needed and this could also prove to be a problem.
And TBH i would like it to be for a prize at the end but also i would like more for this to be a success and to achieve that i need to do what u want. :)

NEW IDEA.

A Home/Away type system.

Players can be able to choose a Home "staduim" this is always the 1st area of any act.

Not only does this give a possible opportunity for new builds? but also it adds more variety and also a way of stopping ties due to the away "goal"(point) system :)

and i love to duel outside A5 :)


WHAT DO YOU THINK ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Lizardking]

Acc: *jeroentjee/jeroentjee_2
Name: first_LLD/First_Zealot
Class: Bonemancer and Zealer
Build:Bonemancer and Zealer
LLD: lvl 30 and 18.

What the heck, btw, is bone wall bm in this competition ?

[mystified]

Acc: *ul_yi5
Name: TheJudgement, StormLore
Class: Paladin, druid respectably
Build: Lv18 zealot/charger hybrid, Lv30 windy
LLD/MLD/HLD: LLD

soon to remake MLD and maybe try my luck making some HLD non-es blizz :rolleyes:

btw quick question: my only equipped HLD char at the moment is a blizzer. you said pre-casting is ok, does this mean I can prebuff es, then switch to bo gear THEN start duel? would love to fin this out ;)

PS I'd love to see duel in A3 open. kinda pain to walk out tho. (all are really except A1)

[patriach owen]

@Lizardking, ill say no its not BM but there is a limit, im not going to say youre only aloud 10BW's but if youre being ridiculous ans spamming them out so no body can go anywhere (u know what i mean), then thats BM, ill leave it to the Ref's disgresion.

@mystified yeah thats fine i mean if you where a melee sorc that had 0points in chant you could do your es then use Dlimb to chant then finally put your Bo gear on to Bo. ;D

WHAT DO YOU THINK^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

SO FAR...

HLD: 0players
MLD: 0players
LLD: 4 players


MAXIMUM OF 2 CHARS PER PERSON. (not up for discussion) ;D

[Scumi]

hl windy in, if i can finish him by them

[Junewe]

Great idea, i thought about it once and found www.lld101.com but they aren't for Europe.

Acc: *Gratz_mattias
Name: Caligula-x
Class: Paladin
Build: Zealot with a skill of Charge to stop the runners
LLD: lvl18

See you in the Arena. :)

[patriach owen]

@scumi , sounds good m8

@junewe u miseed the build and LLD/MLD/HLD bit there m8 :) or are you undecided

[mystified]

btw, level boundaries should be restricted?
i am asking this mainly for some llders (and mld to some extent). since

1) hell rushing. makes huge difference in lld. that extra 8 skills, 60 life, and 15 stats really do. especially any cahr that's doing lv30 duels. (this can easily be checked in chnnel ofc by seeing character title). this is a bit ahrder for mld if hell rush is not availble since...well lvling to 49 is rather boring in norm

2) level restirction on builds? hdins and smiters have rather nice build set ups at lld around 30 lv... especially h din. nerf?

3) hld..well any level above 50 i guess. duelling ground shold be hell ofc. in which case one needs to wonder what you will do about 'norm' gear set up. i mean when u know you are going against blizz you will stack and prepare for it. I am to assume you will only allow gear changes 'after' 1st match, or will u allow gear change from the very beginning?

4) hang on..no potions in hld too? not even mana pots? ;) (this is just a nit picking. sry!!! :hide:)

[blawa]

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Acc: *blawalow2
Name: (optional)
Class: Assasin / Paladin
Build: Melee / Smiter
LLD/MLD/HLD: lvl49 / lvl18

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Do u think of a special Ruling for lld /mld (especially item ban/restriction etc)

[qtpielv]

damn, id take part if these were non wealthy ppl duels or llds, or to make it simple - no enigma duels

[theheft]

Acc: *hefty1
Name: TheSlavesMaster, Vivitar
Class: Paladin, Barbarian
Build: Zealot, BVA
LLD/HLD: lvl21 / lvl88

[patriach owen]

@mystified, hell rushiing is aloud, not an "unfair advantage" any1 can do it if they want requires only time.

LLD= 9-30 inclusive
MLD=30-50 inclusive
HLD =50+

yeah that does mean you can enter a char in to 2 categories if you wish :)

the gear you enter the game with should be the gear you FIGHT with. weopoon switch is aloud OFC.

Mana Pots may/may not be aloud (my problem with mana pots is ES sorcs)


@blawa what did you have in mind?

@qtpielv, the LLD is the most popular area atm m8 u should L@@k xD



IDEA IDEA IDEA IDEA IDEA IDEA IDEA IDEA IDEA IDEA IDEA IDEA IDEA


How about i make this a pure LLD tournament?

[theheft]

LLD tourny sounds good to me!

[blawa]

Well i thought about following things:
- how manny Facetts should be allowed on wich Char?
- How manny Damage Reduce should be allowed on wich Char?
- How manny Absorb/maxresis/stackedResis against wich Char?
- Restrictions about Skills from other Classes (lt charges/%for AD/ Dec. Charges and so on)
- Knockback / Slow must be banned (except skills that have auto kb, like smite)
- Will Boneprison will be allowed?
- fasterRun restrictions?

Hmmm those are the things that came me into my mind atm ^^

I would prefer to make it pure LLD ^^

[patriach owen]

well see what others think but i mean surely this will totally mess up ALL builds so far...

[Scumi]

got no lld duelers :P

[mystified]

lld tourney sounds awsome :) (its so hard looking for one ^^)

altho my personal preference in lld is anything over lv 9 shouldn't be hell rushed which also following lld101's rule (u do have more dmg output and more importantly the fact that you can't see normal games :p)

if you do decide for lld tourney, why not make one for each sub level types; vlld (lv9), mid lld (lv18), and lld (lv30). u can make exceptions i guess but then u will need to state why and what level ;)

also i thought of blawa's post and agree that some needs to be addressed. spurs are shold be banned ofc, but things like kb are needed on certain chracters ('couhh' bowa 'cough')

few things I'd like to add are

1) defensive play and potting. I know many llders have just started and don't have mana lc/sc for required levels but potting shouldn't be allowed. ES sorc I agree but defensive play to regen mana/hp in lld and hld are rather annoying.

2) teleport on sorc @ lld. should not be allowed as other characters cannot follow sorcs. simple as that. (with exception of charging dysinch for which sorc should be alright to tele with)

[patriach owen]

LLD it is

i agree with the 3 catagories stated above

pots are illegal for all WHAT DO YOU LOT THINK <---------

not sure about tele else we may be a lil unfair on them sorcies xD

[theheft]

Why no hell rush?

It easy to do (especially with people offering g.rushing on this very forum for a low cost), just takes time, and it allows us use our existing characters.

[theheft]

Off topic slightly, well this topic at least, but im in a game called "Low Lvl Duell" if anyone want to come and join for some fun.

[patriach owen]

UPDATE.

LLD ONLY.

MANA POTS ILLEGAL

Hell RUSHED CHARS (no decision YET)

PRIZES, NO ENTRY FEE.

I HAVE RECIEVED A POSSIBLE SPONSERSHIP FROM A REQUESTED ANOMALOUS INVESTER. xD

THIS COULD BE (with emphasis on COULD)

1st-3hrs
2nd-2hrs
3rd-1hr


LET ALL YOUR FELLOW ETFERS KNOW ABOUT THIS TOURNAMENT, AND GET IT IN ALL OFF TOPIC FORUMS :)

[mystified]

hell rush is depends on person's choice really. but its simply down to this

1) not all people have access or ways to glitch rush.
2) remaking a char is a pain in the backside.
3) a properly made char should be investing pts given in normal. you may get less dmg, but that is offset by less life. also all doable chars that can be done is effective in noram rush only, with exceptions to lv9 duels. in fact some chars get rather unfair dis/advantage even at same level from those extra skills. for example, my windy is now doing 800 max dmg. this can easily become 1000+. I already have unblockable attack that pierces stuns and kb sometimes with very limited mans to reduce dmg.
extra 200 dmg means extra 60 life off your red bubble. consider that most llders at lv 30 have around 800+ to depending on what char but nothing too hight. 60 is a lot.
same applied to lv 18. hell rushed zealots (most dominant force in lv18) do so much more dmg. 8 skills = 12x8 from sacrifice = 96% enhanced dmg output. this can also go to charge/might which result in rather brokenly huge dmg output. effectively you can one hit kill in lld if hell rushed with just normal gears.

this is my opinions, and even if you allow hell rush I will prolly stick to my ways of norm rush cuz its easier overall :)
i wil use my hf chars for hld (eventually that is!)

PS adding: BA/cyclone recast. can be considered very bm @ lv 30. not sure in lv 18 tho don't think dmg is sufficient to deal any serious harm..but need opinions on this

PPS might wanna start making new thread ? :)

[patriach owen]

hmmm hmmm i may go withyou and say no hell rush.... hmmm hmmm

and yeah i will make anew thread tomorrow as im too tired atm xD
as for BA/cyclone, we will see xD

[blawa]

no hell rush for what lvls?
And if there will be a lvl49, we should really discuss the rulings....

and about hell rushes in lower lvls, we maybe can orginazie some ppl to rush in classic, there it isnt a big problem (i have 1 classic sorc, so i can do it as well)

[Yacoby]

Maybe I should make a lld char *shrugs* I will see. I may need to do some trading.

Never done pvp before :smiley:

Anyone got any suggestions for a cheap dueler level 30 or under

[mystified]

if hell rush is allowed, it should only be for lv9 on lld (anything 31 and above is not lld, its mld) who tends to have very low life and really need that extra life.

and as for guides try stickied or randomly floating guides in pvpv forums. cookie cutters are fairly easy to make and eefective (fb, hammer, zealot, charger, windy, boner....the usual suspects)

[EvilDead]

Several questions I guess

What is damage reduction capped at?
What is absorb capped at?
When would possible dates for the tourney be?
Is there a possibility of team duels?

[Junewe]

IMO, hell rushing should be aloud. It's not hard to do a rush to hell. In fact you also get a Hell Hf. :)

@scumi , sounds good m8

@junewe u miseed the build and LLD/MLD/HLD bit there m8 :) or are you undecided


I cant see what you meen. Let's take it again.

Acc: *Gratz_mattias
Name: Caligula-x
Class: Paladin
Build: Zealot
LLD/MLD/HLD: LLD lvl18

That's it, right?

[patriach owen]

What is damage reduction capped at? -- NO CAP (all gear is the sme for all fights)
What is absorb capped at? -- NA CAP
When would possible dates for the tourney be? When i make the new thread and we have an acceptable amount of players.
Is there a possibility of team duels? NO NO NO (i may make a team one soon :D)


PLEASE POST ALL ENTRY FORMS IN TO THE NEW ENTRY THREAD.

KEEP ALL RULES DISCUSSION HERE PLEASE.

[Yacoby]

The Equip you fight the first duel with is the equip you should fight all fights with.
So no swapping angelics for soj depending on who I am fighting? :cry:


I am assuming weapon swap is OK?

I decided to go for a Fury Druid, if I can get him going intime, I will join

[blawa]

If there is no Cap @ abosrb, nearly every elemental caster is useless;
and there shoulb be a ban @ mld on guardian (at least vs caster)

[patriach owen]

lol you can change between matches ofc but i mean for each best of 3 duel equip must stay the same


POSY ALL ENTRIES IN TO NEW AREA!

[normannen]

i might make a lld char just for this, since i have nothing else to spend my runes on atm ^^ but first i need to know which lvl the chars should be? 9, 18, 29, 30 or 49? i personally prefer lvl 9 :)

[mystified]

cap on abs should be 1 piece only, ban spurs period. there really isn't much abs in lld anyway. only exceptions are sol'd shield/helms, rock fleece, Soe which all can be won at same time. (kill damn smitty)

also gear switches...depending on char you will need some restrictions changed. you cannot allow a wolf to fight barb and sorc with same equip. barb can't fight hammer and zealot with same weapon too and be effective. sometimes swapping that SoJ in Lv30 for others mean something.

this is rather sensitive issue for some chars. it would be better to post their standard gear that they wil start ANY duel with for first match, and gear changed allowed for 2nd and 3 rd. (i.e. a nec can have viper magi as standard but depending on char they can swap out for stealth. same applied to shield, which can spawn with 2 pb and spirit/spear but no block, in which case they willl need shield for melee)

PS ban hammers :grin: sorry i meant nerf them at least to lv 29 or lower. :rolleyes: they are freakishly strong and regens with insight.

[patriach owen]

Lvl 9/18/30 is whats goin on.

\Nerf on hammerdins will be NO insight. (they can still use medi themselves though)

1 piece abs sounds good but no ban on spurs.

AND I WILL ONLY SAY THIS FOR THE LAST TIME.

YOU MUST FIGHT EACH MATCH WITH THE SAME EQUIP BUT BETWEEN THE best of 3 MATCES YOU CAN CHANGE ALL YOU WANT FOR THE NEXT ONE. FFS

[theheft]

Am I allowed to enter with my level 21?

[mystified]

ban on insight seems good enough for now..well there are no hammies yet ^^

please do reconsider on banning spurs tho. at lv 30, an average FB-er doing 2000 dmg, will have its dmg reduced to 85 dmg after 75 res and pvp penalty. its not exactly hight. 95 res makes this dmg 17. this literally kills all fire builds at lv 9 above. its bad enough that its gives +to fire resists..

however i have not mentioning nokozan, which is debatable. since there is no real elemental gears that increase max resist, i think this should also be banned as well as spurs but then agains its not as bad (comparing with dmg versus spurs, FB effectively have double dmg agsinst a person with nokozan which in my booked seems not bad..still crippling as it may be)

[patriach owen]

@heft hmmmm mystified what do you think?

@mystifed well well well... ill think

[mystified]

as for lv 21, it is unfair disadvantage (no offence heft ;)
for example, instead of using max/ar/life or str GCs (which are considered best at the level, unless you go more balanced max/ar/life or str LC) i can now use 3/xx/15 life SC which becomes plainly hard. ofc, not to mention other chars who can benefit (i.e. bowazon with gogue's bow can rach stupid attack speed with damage and DS w/o spending points in crits). in fact, with mana potting allowed, at the level two chars will own; 1)maxed out charger (1 hit kill is possible now with ease), 2)guide bowa, with less mana needed for guide, with mana potting, and fast attack with kb from nef if needed. thats's roighly 500+ max dmg of block only or die attack ^^

also on spurs..when i calculated those figure, that's with mdr (very rough calculation tho over mdr with SoE and viper) altho i made a typo there saying 95 res, when its 90 really.

this, however is completely up to you. i am merely saying this for some lv 30 duellers based on fire (fire trapper, fissure, and FB) would complain. a lot :p

[patriach owen]

JUST NEED TO SAY THAT I CANT ORGANISE THIS ANYMORE AS I AM PROBABLY NOT GOING TO GET ANOTHER CHANCE TO GO ON HERE FOR A WEEK MINIMUM...

but

IF ANY1 WANS TO TAJE IT OVER FEEL FREE :)