Need help for *MF* equipment

[hammerdindip]

So i am making a meteor/orber with the guide provided here, allthough i dont fancy the choice of gear included, i need around 350% MF or more, including perfect tal armor with perf topaz in it, the build must not include crafted items.

20 Frozen Orb
20 Cold Mastery
20 Meteor
18 Fire Mastery
10 Fire Ball
1 Warmth
1 Teleport
1 Static Field

Strength: base or required.
Dexterity: base
Vitality: As much as possible
Energy: 100

Gear Model

Body Armor:

Helm:

Weapon:

Weapon alt:

Shield:

Rings:

Belt:

Gloves:

Boots:

MF%=

help is appreciated. :flowers:

[Hello Jim]

i think there are plenty choices here in the stickied guides.

anyway

helm: P.Topaz shako
armor: P.topaz Tal's armor
weapon: Oculus (i hate it personally)
shield: "Spirit" monarch
boots: WT
gloves: Chancies
rings: 2x nagels

Switch:
wep: gull dagger/ CtA
shield: "Rhyme" Bone shield/ spirit

[hammerdindip]

thanks for the help.

[LongingForDeath]

From the listed skill point allocation, I'd say you're looking at the wrong guide :). 20 Cold Mastery is definitely overkill and won't help you much. 17 is sufficient, and that already includes +skills. With the right equipment, you don't even need to place a single point in Cold Mastery to reach level 17.

Have a look at sasja's guide (http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=254070) here in the sorc section, as well as this one (http://forums.diabloii.net/showpost.php?p=6081111&postcount=13).

As for MF gear, what Hello Jim suggests is pretty much the highest you can get (I think). Throw in some MF charms and you're all set. Though I'd say try to get 250 MF and then try to increase your killing speed. That will serve you more than a huge amount of MF.

[hammerdindip]

sasja's guide is great thank you

however 250% mf is not enough for me.

Gear Model

Body Armor: tal armor perf with ist 113 mf

Helm: Harlequin crest shako with ist 75 mf

Weapon: oculus

Weapon alt: sword with 180 mf

Shield: spirit monarch

shield alt: isted monarch 100 mf

Amulet: mara 30%

Rings: 2 nagel rings 60 mf

Belt: goldwrap 30 mf

Gloves: chance guards 40 mf

Boots: WT 50 mf

MF%= 648% without charms

[hammerdindip]

i know 648 is alot but this way i wont have to concentrate on mf charms and i can put skillers and res sc instead.

[Hello Jim]

DON'T IST YOUR ARMOR AND HELM!

it's simply the dumbest thing you can do. it's 1% more MF than P. Topaz and much MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH
more expensive (much)

other then that i'd say you're going stupid-rich-mf. not that there is anything wrong with that (well, imo there is) but wasting 8 ists on the shield and weapon just for the last blow? MF has diminishing returns. and BIG ones. once you're past ~600 i belive even adding 100% MF isn't all that big of deal.

and i would prefer relaying on MF charms rather than resist scs/skillers since they are much more expensive, and you can get the 5% MF sc instead of 7% in pgs.


again- you can go "i'm buying my items with real money" MF, but i stronggly suggest you don't. MF just doesn't worth it. if you have 200 more MF it really doesn't make that big of deal in chances to find good items, and even if it does MF is still 99% luck. a guy with 0% can find an arach while you're charsing Ward's.

if you want to spend a lot of HRs- make a PvP char. they worth it, and you can feel the difference there.

[LongingForDeath]

1.) What Jim said.

2.) My point with shooting for 250 MF is this: More MF usually decreases kill speed = MF runs take longer. This is only an example, but I hope you get my point here: You can do 5 MF runs with 250% in 10 minutes. Or you can do 3 MF runs with 600+% in 10 minutes. If you calculate that for an hour, you will have 30 runs vs 18 runs. What do you think will give you better results? Remember the diminishing results, which really start to kick in beyond 300% MF.

If you can keep your killspeed up with higher MF, then by all means, go for it. But if your runs take longer, you will shoot yourself in the foot. It's just not worth it.

[hammerdindip]

DON'T IST YOUR ARMOR AND HELM!

it's simply the dumbest thing you can do. it's 1% more MF than P. Topaz and much MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH
more expensive (much)

other then that i'd say you're going stupid-rich-mf. not that there is anything wrong with that (well, imo there is) but wasting 8 ists on the shield and weapon just for the last blow? MF has diminishing returns. and BIG ones. once you're past ~600 i belive even adding 100% MF isn't all that big of deal.

and i would prefer relaying on MF charms rather than resist scs/skillers since they are much more expensive, and you can get the 5% MF sc instead of 7% in pgs.


again- you can go "i'm buying my items with real money" MF, but i stronggly suggest you don't. MF just doesn't worth it. if you have 200 more MF it really doesn't make that big of deal in chances to find good items, and even if it does MF is still 99% luck. a guy with 0% can find an arach while you're charsing Ward's.

if you want to spend a lot of HRs- make a PvP char. they worth it, and you can feel the difference there.

first off i wasnt planning on buying any items, what reason would there be left to play for then. I can see what you mean about the large amount of mf and the killspeed, but as you can see, i am using a isted monarch since i already sacrificed a small amount of str for spirit monarch.

I decided that i would dump goldwrap for arachnid, maybe 2 sojs instead of the nagels and coh instead of tal armor to increase the speed.

topaz will be in the helm

i will probably need to dump the WT aswell for sandstorm.

[ProfessionalBerg]

You throw alot of FCR away with that gear. I find anything under 105% on a sorceress unbearable both when teleporting and casting Fireballs.

6xIst weapon and 4xIst shield is definitely overkill. It provides 280% MF switch, but for the expense of 5 HR's (On Europe). What is the point of wasting so much wealth on a character that is supposed to gain you wealth? Kinda useless, if you ask me.

Go buy the PGem worth Gull, or go MF it in Act 1 Normal, and then, if you REALLY want, Ist it (or, better, use a 17% MF jewel). 100-130 MF right there, around 100x times as cheap. Shield => Rhyme (Cannot be Frozen, block, resists, 25% MF - all you want from a switch you want to be safe with).

As Jim said, do not Ist armor/helm: waste of Ist's. 2%MF won't do you jack, trust me.

And, in general, I suggest Full Tal's set. You will most likely argue, say "it's a n00b set" etcetera, but I say it like this: no better thing is invented for a Meteorb than Full Tal's. Period. It has just too many pluses to be outweighted by ANY combination of uniques/runewords. It, alone, provides 88+65+15=168% MF, and that is if you do not Dual-PTopaz armor/helm (+48 => 216%). Then you throw on a pair of Nagels, Perfect Spirit and Magefists for 105% FCR, War Travelers and Ist the Orb if you want to. The MF% will most likely exceed 300% at this mark. And you will have insane killing speed as well.

P.S. Just FYI, my Full Tal's Meteorb solo's Baal without breaking a sweat.

[liquid_mage]

This is my setup, my build is similar to yours.

Helm: Shako/wPTopaz 74MF
Ammy: Tal's(+2Skills, LR, +65MF 3piece set bonus)
Armor: Tals/wPTopaz
Belt: Tals 15MF
Gloves: Chance Guards mine are 38MF
Boots: War Travs mine are 34MF:(
Ring1: Resist Ring 15All
Ring2: 24MF/xPR
Main Weapon: Occy 50MF
Main Offhand: Spirit Monarch
Other Weapon: Ali Baba /w 2 MF Jewels
Other Offhand: Rhyme Shield
Gheeds: Mine is 39MF

MF at level 86: 451 on my main set, 552 on switch.

I also have a low anni and a low storch. This gives me +13 to skills. I have no problems killing things with my main setup. My resists are all around 35-55 in hell.

[hacgumyu]

I also have a problem with my light sorcess who doesn't have enough strength to wear spirit monarch and war traveler... they take up to 150 str, why would I want to waste stats on str instead on vit? is there any alternative gears with str requirement less than 90?

thanks

[hammerdindip]

what i worry about is, if i loose alot of mf will i ruin my chances for master found, and the big drops.

[LongingForDeath]

what i worry about is, if i loose alot of mf will i ruin my chances for master found, and the big drops.

Hardly... MagicFind doesn't equal UniqueFind or SetFind. With 250% MF, UniqueFind will be 125%. With 650% MF, UF will be 180%. You see, your chances for a unique to drop, won't be that much higher, even though you have 400% more MF. Your killspeed with 250% MF, however, will most likely increase and you can do more runs in the same time. That's why you'll get more items with less MF in the long run.

Besides, it's a lot about luck. I recently ran hell Baal with 404% MF on my Necro. What did he drop? 3 magic items, 2 elds and gold. Other times I ran around with only around 280% MF and found 2 Stormlashes (one ethereal). Believe me, more MF doesn't equal better drops.

[ProfessionalBerg]

Well, yes, it does, but the difference is so small that it's better to simply prioritize killing power: faster runs = more runs = more chances at good find = more good items.

[AnimeCraze]

If you are bent on stacking MF so much, why make a sorc at all? Make a summon necro and be done with it. You can easily stack like 700 MF on those guys.

Honestly, the priorities for various runs are:
Meph/andy/key runs: tele speed > kill speed > MF
all other runs: kill speed > tele speed > MF

I do understand that it is human nature to feel worse about seeing a "good" item turning out not to be great (like a double durability spiderweb sash off meph) than to feel worse about the items that should have been dropped, but not. However, you are going against statistics, and most people who does so loses (like gambling in a casino).

[MrKaxe]

I'm with ProBerg on full Tal's being the best MF set-up for a Meteorb build to balance life, res (the most important things for me being HC) and MF all in one package while still kicking out big damage. My setup is simple:

+2 Cold +2 Fire Tals Orb with a 4/-4 Cold Facet in (to help my Cold Dmg out)
Tals Mask with pTopaz
Tals Amulet
Tals Armour with pTopaz
Magefists (to maintain 105% FCR at all times)
30% Nagel
12% Tals Belt (RJ gimme that 14% you said you had for me!! :grin:)
Rare with 10% FCR, Life, Res etc)
Spirit Shield (35% to maintain blah blah...:wink3:)
Waterwalk boots (I have War Travs but as it's HC I like to have an extra bit of life from that slot as opposed to a tiny bit more MF)
Torch to boost the awesome killing power a bit more
Stacks of MF, Res and Life charms

I start at Act 1 Hell and hit the usual areas for MF (except Nilly and Dia) all the way up to Baal...my merc has a bit of trouble with Lister and the gang but with smart tele-placement and a bit of Glacial Spike to keep the pack tight between Orbs, they go down...it's easy as pie and I have just under 300% MF while still being orientated towards killing everything in any situation...yes even dual immunes...Static comes out for the Merc to lay a smackdown...
Try full Tals before you try a mix of uniques and Tals or uniques and rw's and see if you like it for yourself! :thumbsup:

[Davio]

I basically use Tal's full set with chance guards and double nagels and have Ali Baba (non-isted) and Rhyme on switch.

[Dirkw]

I agree on full tals... IMO the extra defensive properties make up for the loss of the MF on shako and occy. I find that the balance tal gives just makes the sorc feel more stable and more enjoyable to play. The only thing I had a hard time with when I was using this sorc were her looks :cry:

[hammerdindip]

thank you all for the help

[Hello Jim]

"they take up to 150 str, why would I want to waste stats on str instead on vit? is there any alternative gears with str requirement less than 90?"

yes,there is. Lidless Wall. it's simply compails vs spirit. only -1 skills, less fcr (even the worse spirit) and no res. people have and starting to realise- Spirit is worth the 156 str points.

"Well, yes, it does"

no it doesn't. note that he said better drops, not better chances for droping. in thoery MF= better drops, but people have to understand that with the impossible 1000% MF you can have crappy drops. if you do the math the chances even with that amount will be: 0.000X or something like that. meaning MF=luck.

"Meph/andy/key runs: tele speed > kill speed > MF
all other runs: kill speed > tele speed > MF"

here is the problem. ever tried that in b.net?
tele speed>kill speed>mf in b.net usually = temp ban. if you're doing only meph+andy.
so it's important to either stack MF and lower your speed kill if you're doing only 1 run or just doing more runs in the same game.


that's all i got.

[Dirkw]

I don't normally do Meph and andy with characters that don't reach the +100 fcr bp.

[AnimeCraze]

"Meph/andy/key runs: tele speed > kill speed > MF
all other runs: kill speed > tele speed > MF"

here is the problem. ever tried that in b.net?
tele speed>kill speed>mf in b.net usually = temp ban. if you're doing only meph+andy.
so it's important to either stack MF and lower your speed kill if you're doing only 1 run or just doing more runs in the same game.There is a reason why I do countress and summoner among with meph. Keys are always good.

[Hello Jim]

that's completely understood.
it's just that with my pure blizz i ran only andy+meph and got temp ban a lot until i just threw AC and ROF in the list (:

[bassen]

I also play a BlizzHybridSorc
I have equipped her with
Harlequins Crest with Ptopaz
Skulders Ire with Ptopaz
The Oculus with a resist all jewel
Goldwrap
Chance Guards
War Traveler
Scint. ring of Fortune (res all + MF)
Rainbow ring of Fortune (res all + MF)
Rhyme Shield

4 GC Shimmering Charms
1 LC Shimmering Charm
1 Gheeds Fortune (or waht i'ts called)

Its a perfect eq for MF, giving you a hight Resist all in hell (I hjave 63% to all in hell)
Also have 400+ MF