Frenzy Controlling

[churinga]

First of all, Frenzy is great!! It kills fast (although not as fast as Frozen Orb or Blessed Hammer, but fast enough). It makes you run even faster than Teleport. However, it is hard to control, especially when I get into Frenzy mode. I usually miss target by running past them. If I hold shift and click attack, the efficiency is pretty low, since many target cannot be reached if I stand still (with Range 2 CB), not to mention the ranged attacking monsters. :sad2:

I guess it is only the matter of control and proficiency. Can any experienced Frenzy users advice a little on how to get Frenzy well into control? Thanks!!! :tongue:

[dabeas]

hit the r botton on ur keyboard

[MYK]

Shift + click sucks. And you're not a goofy paladin, so don't ever think about doing that again.

So, what you do is, stick Frenzy on the left side click and hold the button down.

[churinga]

So, what you do is, stick Frenzy on the left side click and hold the button down.

Can you be more specific please? :rolleyes:

[eseven]

I think he means that if you click and hold frenzy on left click, you'll automatically stop and attack any monsters that you encounter. It works the same way as right clicking find item on empty space and then running around a bunch of corpses: you'll attempt to find item on every corpse you encounter.

[AnimeCraze]

So, what you do is, stick Frenzy on the left side click and hold the button down.I thought you stick frenzy on the right, not left.

[dabeas]

am i missing something? i always thought that frenzy barbs r some of the easiest chars to play. its all "point n click". i always have my attks on left, n spells on right, n simply click on a monster n hold it there till its dead! if u feel that ur running too fast, u can always simply hit the run botton, and problem solved.

[churinga]

am i missing something? i always thought that frenzy barbs r some of the easiest chars to play. its all "point n click". i always have my attks on left, n spells on right, n simply click on a monster n hold it there till its dead! if u feel that ur running too fast, u can always simply hit the run botton, and problem solved.

Even I was walking, I still miss targets by running past them once in a while... I still don't understand the "Right click" technique. Can anyone explain it more detailedly please? Thanks! :grin:

[MYK]

I thought you stick frenzy on the right, not left.

Perhaps you might.. I was just upside-down or inside-out when I posted. That, or hung-over. I dunno. You pick. :wink3:

Right click!~ Right click~! Right click~!~

Frenzy goes on the Right Click. You click on the ground. Hold the button down while not specifically targeting any one monster. You'll run up to them and start swinging your swords/axes/clubs/wirts' leg+hellforge hammer/etcetc at the monster(s) in front of you.

Don't bite off more than you can chew. You attack fast, but splitting attacks VS. a pack of monsters means you're attacking at half speed or slower. You've got massive means of travel, so use it to your advantage and pick off the stragglers.

[Spankeh]

Perhaps you might.. I was just upside-down or inside-out when I posted. That, or hung-over. I dunno. You pick. :wink3:

Right click!~ Right click~! Right click~!~

Frenzy goes on the Right Click. You click on the ground. Hold the button down while not specifically targeting any one monster. You'll run up to them and start swinging your swords/axes/clubs/wirts' leg+hellforge hammer/etcetc at the monster(s) in front of you.

Don't bite off more than you can chew. You attack fast, but splitting attacks VS. a pack of monsters means you're attacking at half speed or slower. You've got massive means of travel, so use it to your advantage and pick off the stragglers.

Correct Correct and Correct,

You'd have to be a halfwit (sorry guy's) to put Frenzy on left mouse button.
On Right, just click and HOLD on the ground somewhere, and then move the mouse around (dont let go of right click) and you will start swinging as soon as you are in range of anything.
The only down fall is that you cant see what mods the monster/s posses, but weeeeell worth this minor inconvience.

[sirwhere]

I got frenzy on left and never had any problem pointing at things... but do agree it gets a bit annoying at times.

[churinga]

Got what you guys meant by Right-clicking :D However, this creates a new inconveniece -- you have to switch skills again and again for War Cry, don't you? :/

[sirwhere]

indeed. I don't think I'd bother, but hey, maybe it's worth a try.

[dabeas]

Correct Correct and Correct,

You'd have to be a halfwit (sorry guy's) to put Frenzy on left mouse button.
On Right, just click and HOLD on the ground somewhere, and then move the mouse around (dont let go of right click) and you will start swinging as soon as you are in range of anything.
The only down fall is that you cant see what mods the monster/s posses, but weeeeell worth this minor inconvience.

well, i dont see the need for the insult. but, anyways im sticking w/ left click b/c thats the way ive done it for the last 6yrs n i dont see ne reason to change now.

[ToolToad]

Got what you guys meant by Right-clicking :D However, this creates a new inconveniece -- you have to switch skills again and again for War Cry, don't you? :/



If you did go with warcry you shouldn't have a problem with this.... just have it hotkeyed first and frenzy after it... Warcry then switch to frenzy and unload.

My frenzy has no need for war cry. He can charge into a large group and take them all out in a couple of seconds then keep on trucking. I keep my Frenzy to right click as well.. It feels more natural for me since I've done it with a lot of my characters. It's up to your personal playing style though.

[churinga]

well, i dont see the need for the insult. but, anyways im sticking w/ left click b/c thats the way ive done it for the last 6yrs n i dont see ne reason to change now.

Then, do you use "Walking" mode when being "Frenzy"?

[churinga]

If you did go with warcry you shouldn't have a problem with this.... just have it hotkeyed first and frenzy after it... Warcry then switch to frenzy and unload.

My frenzy has no need for war cry. He can charge into a large group and take them all out in a couple of seconds then keep on trucking. I keep my Frenzy to right click as well.. It feels more natural for me since I've done it with a lot of my characters. It's up to your personal playing style though.

Thanks. I find War Cry very useful (though not necessary in most occasions). It saves you some time killing (since you don't need to FHR), and saves some repair costs too :grin: But sometimes, it is necessary to survive, for example, if you are mobbed by several Champion Death Lord, who are also "Frenzy"... :cry:

[dabeas]

Then, do you use "Walking" mode when being "Frenzy"?

no, full speed for me. n i dont have ne problems targeting. also, i forgot to mention earlier that i would see having frenzy on right click a huge inconvience when battling ubers, since i use howl a lot in trist.

[churinga]

no, full speed for me. n i dont have ne problems targeting.

And, what's the secret in this? :shocked:

[AnimeCraze]

300 APM, just like pro Korean SC players, I guess.

[Ax2Grind]

There's a trick I learned playing FPS games that has an indirect correlation to almost all other games. I'll demonstrate how it applies to full-powered Frenzy in Diablo2.

When I played FPS games, one of the many tricks I learned when aiming was not to fire immediately upon moving the mouse. This means the cursor since, in FPS games, that's the crosshair. I also learned to move the cursor to the spot I expected to shoot by anticipating people being there, not out of obviousness but caution - if they're there I'll get the first shot, if not... Anyway, the trick was 'predict and prepare,' take your time and aim. Critics say that split second costs you many times, but by getting into the practice you can speed the process up and begin aiming faster while still maintaining accuracy. This is the opposite of the baseball adage 'throw hard then throw it over the plate.' Instead, you're learning to get the aim first then gradually improving reaction time until it's second nature.

The same is true for Frenzy. It may last only six seconds, and some may say standing still for any period of time is a waste, but that half a second spent while you delicately manuever the cursor to your next target has the benefit of allowing you to pick target after target without missing one. Even with Frenzy on the left mouse button, where I've always had it, I simply get into the 'feel' of the movement and can wratchet up target acquisition. I remember once, in .09 cowing, I loaded up with speed charms and went to town (Moo Moo Farm, technically). I zipped by a Paladin at almost full tilt and saw him type the equivalent of 'WTF WAS THAT?' while still reaching another herd of cattle.

It doesn't take much practice to get the monster selection down, but does require patience to get it done more and more quickly to keep Frenzy at it's highest charge. I've also never had a problem choosing random monsters with left-clicking, but prefer picking my main victim since the second is chosen arbitrarily. This is why choice of primary weapon is important. For instance, when using Tancred's Battlegear with Skull Splitter, it's the latter you want as your main weapon due to the Dim Vision hitpower. Once the target is blinded, you can manually choose another to work on, effectively pacifying a crowd and making it safe for your mercenary and party members.

It just takes some getting used to, but then I've played a Frenzy Barbarian as my main character up until .10. Lots of reasons for that, but no need to go into them here.

[Spankeh]

lol whatever....

[churinga]

300 APM, just like pro Korean SC players, I guess.

APM is one thing, click accuracy is another... :wink3:

[churinga]

There's a trick I learned playing FPS games that has an indirect correlation to almost all other games. I'll demonstrate how it applies to full-powered Frenzy in Diablo2.

When I played FPS games, one of the many tricks I learned when aiming was not to fire immediately upon moving the mouse. This means the cursor since, in FPS games, that's the crosshair. I also learned to move the cursor to the spot I expected to shoot by anticipating people being there, not out of obviousness but caution - if they're there I'll get the first shot, if not... Anyway, the trick was 'predict and prepare,' take your time and aim. Critics say that split second costs you many times, but by getting into the practice you can speed the process up and begin aiming faster while still maintaining accuracy. This is the opposite of the baseball adage 'throw hard then throw it over the plate.' Instead, you're learning to get the aim first then gradually improving reaction time until it's second nature.

The same is true for Frenzy. It may last only six seconds, and some may say standing still for any period of time is a waste, but that half a second spent while you delicately manuever the cursor to your next target has the benefit of allowing you to pick target after target without missing one. Even with Frenzy on the left mouse button, where I've always had it, I simply get into the 'feel' of the movement and can wratchet up target acquisition. I remember once, in .09 cowing, I loaded up with speed charms and went to town (Moo Moo Farm, technically). I zipped by a Paladin at almost full tilt and saw him type the equivalent of 'WTF WAS THAT?' while still reaching another herd of cattle.

It doesn't take much practice to get the monster selection down, but does require patience to get it done more and more quickly to keep Frenzy at it's highest charge. I've also never had a problem choosing random monsters with left-clicking, but prefer picking my main victim since the second is chosen arbitrarily. This is why choice of primary weapon is important. For instance, when using Tancred's Battlegear with Skull Splitter, it's the latter you want as your main weapon due to the Dim Vision hitpower. Once the target is blinded, you can manually choose another to work on, effectively pacifying a crowd and making it safe for your mercenary and party members.

It just takes some getting used to, but then I've played a Frenzy Barbarian as my main character up until .10. Lots of reasons for that, but no need to go into them here.

A little difficult to understand... but thanks for the details.

I tried yesterday, and found right click really rocks! :grin: It speeds up my killing greatly, and no more pain trying to aim at Imps... Also, to see monsters' stats, I can always release right button, move it on that monster, and click -- exactly like left button. And, if I set the hotkeys right, to switch between War Cry and Frenzy is not that hard. :azn:

[AnimeCraze]

APM is one thing, click accuracy is another... :wink3:I am sure they have accurate clicking too. Anyways, use the edit button.