question TITAN barb

[vladdarkprince]

hi! i have a question on all, and that will be : can a titan barb (all str) on hell mode survive? what could be the items? i m not speaking about full str (like a build with full str items i saw) but with descent gear for killing like all other mellee barbs...i thought about ww/conc , but with base vita would he survive? are there any builds? i was looking 2 hours without any luck...but i know there could be a build full str called TITAN.:wink3:

[The Son Of Disaster]

I think that if it were to use say an Eth Death Cleaver for massive Deadly Strike and Whirlwind, it is possible. It would just do such incredible damage that in PvM you would probably leech a full red orb in one contact, and in PvP 1-2 hits or spins would kill most players except real tough melee chars. Life on charms would be key, with a high BO I could see a Barb still reaching 2k-3k life, but not sure really.

[Master Zap]

I'm currently but still successfully questing hell in hardcore mode on a titan sorc. Having a fraction of the life a barb does, I image a titan barb would be far easier. Really if your not a hc player any char is pretty much viable.

I also think you should use a maul or hammer class weps for the extra str bonus on damage. Between say goreriders, barbs critical strike via mastry + highlords is generally plenty enough.

Mine uses a silence thundermaul, mostly for the res. Basically all you need to do is stack some pdr and mdr and you'll be a tank regardless of the size of your lifebulb. I think a Bezerk Titan would be the best barb varient since that skill gets one of the biggest damage boosters around. Couple that with the crowd skills that rivals a necro for syngery's like howl and you'll never get swarmed. Plus no im and pi's worries.

Interger Pdr like from Sol runes, Gbane or life everlasting gear / amicea
about 20-30 for norm
40-70 nm
70-120 hell and your mint.

Decrep, weaken and battle cry increase your effective dr.

0.02
Good luck :thumbsup:


ps remember if you put any points in dex, vit your no longer a titan but a demi titan and one cant have that :P

[vladdarkprince]

thx for the answers guys! i was thinking i could use my thunder maul botd...as for skills...hmmm maybe ww/conc or ww/berzerk? i m gonna think twice for that! and ofc i m not gonna put any dex or vita no question about ene :P

but my worries are...would i have enough life from items and bo? it dosent need to be 3k life though! and... another tricky question: maybe a weapon/schield (just for the res or dmg red - stormshield) would do better?

[The Son Of Disaster]

Perhaps an Eld Whitstan's with dex from equip only could pull off max block or close with base dex which would be hot. I still vote WW for leeching etc, I was never a fan of the DR thing only because it seems to require alot of other sacrifices but thats just me.

[sirwhere]

With ebotd thunder maul, 500 str, might merc with pride polearm, fortitude, you'll get to something like 25-30k WW damage and around 3k life, which should be enough.

You'll need a lot of AR charms, though.

[The Son Of Disaster]

Angelics would help immensly, and -25% Enemy defense from the tmaul. I'd vote an EbotdCB wielding 2 handed most likely though.

[vladdarkprince]

ok I think I m gonna use my thunder maul botd! I pray that I ll not just waste my time on this! the bad thing with pride rw is that it does not have ed or +dmg so the merc will deal low dmg which means low ll ---> mostly dead! I tried it once and saw excactly that my merc died easy...then i changed it to obedience and i didnt gave him a single pot since then...

thx a lot for the help! :)

[The Son Of Disaster]

Could always infinity the merc to fix AR issues too.

Obedience is nice :) Lots of options, I've never liked Pride, its overrated -.-

[sirwhere]

the bad thing with pride rw is that it does not have ed or +dmg so the merc will deal low dmg which means low ll ---> mostly dead! I tried it once and saw excactly that my merc died easy...then i changed it to obedience and i didnt gave him a single pot since then...

Where have you been with merc? My war pike babo's merc has pride and hardly ever dies... but anyway, Infinity is a nice option too. And helps your AR problems.

[vladdarkprince]

well lister had always a good lunch from my merc :P anyway infinity is also a good option but i have only one and my soso's merc has it! anyway i ll give it a try! angelic will be also on my barb in any case!

[vladdarkprince]

maybe i try pride again and see the results!... hmm what about blessed aim merc? i know i lose dmg...but...i need an opinion about that!

[Sephirot]

hi! i have a question on all, and that will be : can a titan barb (all str) on hell mode survive? what could be the items? i m not speaking about full str (like a build with full str items i saw) but with descent gear for killing like all other mellee barbs...i thought about ww/conc , but with base vita would he survive? are there any builds? i was looking 2 hours without any luck...but i know there could be a build full str called TITAN.:wink3:
i think it's really really hard ;)

[Master Zap]

maybe i try pride again and see the results!... hmm what about blessed aim merc? i know i lose dmg...but...i need an opinion about that!

The Ar question sorta depends on what build you decide on. I can tell you that if you go with bezerk, the AR bonus of that skill (damage too) is massive. meaning you probably wont need ar boosting gear outside the token barb standard items.

However if you pick a low ar skill like WW, then your going to have consider Ar. So sometimes if your chance to hit is low, having a BA merc will increase your damage more then that of might. ( What good is might if you have trouble connecting)

A couple figures for you at level 20:

mastery of choice ar % at level 20 = 180%
+
Berserk
385% ar
Magic damage 435% (over 1000% damage with syngery's)

WW
Damage 102%
95% ar boost.

Frenzy
233% AR

Conc
250% ar


IMO? (since I'm just full of em)

build as a pure bezerker and run a pdr rig. Use Mauls as your wep.
Level 1-24 Shop the nastiest Maul being offered.
level 24 use bonesnap
level 29 switch to steeldriver
level 31 go to rib cracker. at 56 upgrade ribby. Use this till 65-70 until you can equip end game gear.

Helm: Arreats with Sheal or Sol/ UM or Ias depending on BP your aiming.
Armor: Jewelers Plate of the Whale with 4 sols for 28pdr. Use this until Gbane at 85.
gloves: LOH / ik or Dracs.
belt: IK , Tgods
Boots: Ik or Goblin toes/gore rider/ tri res rares / Shadow dancers
shield: Gerke's on switch with a good 1hander wep. ie Shaffers /stormlash
Wep: you said Botd thundermaul , Silence Thundermaul worth mentioning , Up'd ribby
Ammy: Highlords or Ammy of life everlasting.
Rings: 2 Dwarfstars , or 1 dwarf 1 nat peace (CBF provided by gbane 1RF until then)

Merc Act2 Might or Blessed Aim depending on needs. (defiance doesnt matter because hit you or not, your not really taking damage)
Helm: Gface
armor: Treachory
wep: Reapers Toll (for the decrep doubling your dr and adding crowd control, damage and other goodies)

This will net you about 70+ pdr , making you very very tanky. With res charms your res will be maxed. Life really isnt that important with enough pdr. stuff just doesnt hurt. The reapers merc ups your total to around 130+ so as long as your res is good, nothing will really do much to you. (poison will be your bane)

My hc titan sorc is semi tanking hell with es and 300-500 life in hell running a setup similar to what I suggest.

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[stephan]

(Don't use Drac's on Zerkers, your physical damage is 0)

Personally, if I were to make a titan barb, I'd probably not choose Berserk because it's the skill that relatively benefits the least of the extra %ED. With something like conc or WW you could do about double damage if you go titan.

[vladdarkprince]

@ master zap : ty very much for you tips! you help me alot! well i don't like so much the zerkers because of leech lack... if titan then maybe a ww (frenzy? hmmm)! personally i dont like the idea of killing monsters one-by-one even if that is gonna happen with 1 hit per monster! the gear part is tricky cause it is got to be VERY defensive or VERY offensive (offense is the best defense as we all know). i m gonna try some of sort of combinations but first of all i m gonna try your suggestions! thx a lot!

the merc part also seems tricky...there are a lots of options there for gear as for auras too!

i ll let you know how my titan goes when he reaches a descent lvl.

[The Son Of Disaster]

Could someone explain the maul str bonus? Cause I don't see where a Maul is > War pike.

I personally think that the Chance to Clock, and Physical Damage Reduce as well as extra resists and defense stormshield can provide is too good to pass up. with an EbotdCB/Z you would still be doing enough dmaage to cut a walk way each whirl with your strenth.

[stephan]

Could someone explain the maul str bonus? Cause I don't see where a Maul is > War pike.
Most melee weapons get 1% extra off-weapon ED per point of strength. Hammertype weapons (War Hammer, Maul and Great Maul + excep and elite versions of those) get 1.1% ED extra off-weapon ED per point of strength.

[The Son Of Disaster]

Ah, I thought Barbs always got 1.1% per Str no matter the weapon? Maybe I heard this in reference to a hammer without realizing it was hammer specific. Thanks :)