Question: Which setup is better?

[Huplet]

Let me preface this post by saying that this may be the wrong forum for this. However, it makes sense (to me, at least) that actual analysis of my gear and the numbers involved would be best informed by members of the statistics forum.

Anyway. My hammerdin is currently level 89, with 80 or 85 skill points left, and all of my stats left. I intend to use him solely for PvP, and as such, have endlessly debated and reconsidered the gear and stats, often within this very forum. After some reflection, I'm essentially where I started.

My goals: Max Block, Maxed Res, 10k Hammer Damage, 35+ DR, and as much life as possible. Also, of course, 125 FCR, and 86 FHR

What I have on him now is:

Helm: Ber/Cham CoA, 30/23 DR, 393 Def
Helm #2: 2Pally/20FCR/15 All Res base circlet, socketed with Shael
Amulet: 2Pally/10FCR/15 Res Amulet
Weapon: Hoto Flail
Armor: Mage Plate Enigma
Shield: 35/43 Royal Shield Spirit
Gloves: Trang's
Belt: Verdungo, 38/15
Rings: 2x FCR/15 Dex, one with All Res, the other with Fire/Lite Res and Life
Alternative Ring possibilities include: Wisp, Ravenfrost, FCR/Str, SoJ, BK
Boots: Waterwalks, or perhaps Treks

Now, from what I know (not a whole lot), the gear I should be using is in Bold.

This gives me 95 FHR, 125 FCR, Max Block with 167 Dex, Maxed Res with the help of a few charms, and 46 DR.

What I'm worried about is twofold: 1) Lack of +skills. I get a combined +9, meaning that my BO is only 16 with 6BO CTA and Battle Command. This naturally hurts my possible life total. The solution I see is to switch to shako/Mara's/SoJs, and thus hit level 19 BO.

2) Not really a problem, more of a question. Assuming I have an inventory with 30x 20life SCs, and a level 19BO, roughly how much life would I get? I haven't told you specifics on my gear, because I'm not sure what my final setup will be, but I'm curious. Will I get to 4k? Will I get to 4.5k?

So, to summarize:

Where can I improve my gear?
How can I get more life?
How much life would I have after stats?

Many many thanks to all of you who respond. Your help is appreciated greatly.

Huplet

[ProfessionalBerg]

I am not a pro at paladins, nor at PvP. I will, however, answer your BO question:

30x20 lifers: 600 life

level 19 BO: +89% life/mana/stamina.

Total: 600x1.89=1134 life from lifers + level 19 BO. A hefty amount.

[crawlingdeadman]

post in the pvp forum, you'll get more expert advice there. they're smart too.

just off the top of my head:
wizzy > hoto
ditch the fcr rings for bk/soj
arach for belt.

[Huplet]

Berg: Thanks for the help, much appreciated.
Deadman: I intend to. Thanks for the tip =)

I'm going to look through the charts and such, but if you know off the top of your head, which life is affected by BO? My guess would be hard vita points and +life, but not +vita (Like Dungo and Spirit). Is that right?

[crawlingdeadman]

i'd go with for complete set up:
wizzy
arach
enigma
soj/bk x2
35%spirit
trangs
mara
shako
any boots (waterwalks are what i'd use)

life affected by bo is +xx life (scs and rubies) and points into vita. not affected are life per level, +vita (dungo) and %life (from jah). <--- i think.

[ProfessionalBerg]

+% life is stacked linearly with BO, IIRC.

[Huplet]

@Deadman: Would Wizzy/Mara's beat a Hoto + 2/10/str craft ammy?

Same amount of FCR, more res with Wizzy Setup, less damage, dexterity, strength.

Also: I don't think that arach can compete with dungo as a belt choice if I can get FCR elsewhere, because Arach offers +1 skill to ~110 life, 15 DR, and 10 FHR from Dungo.

However, Arach does offer me the possibility of free ring spaces. Soj/BK + Raven aren't quite as good as the Res and stats provided by my FCR/dex rings, so even that's a push, unless I desperately need the mana from SoJs.

[shanelee]

Wizzy+Mara would have 120-50 = 70 more stacked resist than hoto+craft ammy (assuming 10 res@ on ammy).
I generally like to have 200+ all res in pubs personally, only wizzy sock with 15res jewel can achieve that.

[Huplet]

If I were to go with a 15@/9Dex Jeweled Wizzy + Mara, would I still be able to wear dungo's?

Perhaps: CoA/Mara's/Wizzy (50)/Enigma/Spirit (35)/Trangs (20)/Rings (20)/Dungo's/Waterwalks?
This gives me exactly 125 FCR, and I still hit 86 FHR. I have 46 DR, close to 220 All Res, and Maxed Block.

However, I think this setup may have trouble getting to 4k life, and without pcombs, hits 8.2k hammer damage. Also, I only have 65 FHR.

Thoughts?

[shanelee]

I would never use dungo over arachi, you basically lost the flexiblity on ring slots.
15 dr isnt that important you should already have 31+8 =39dr from CoA+Enigma.
I dunno what pvp you do but in pubs you definitely want to be able to quickly switch to wisp/raven/dwarfstar. and use 2x bks when no absorb is needed. To achieve high dmg/life you raelly need to break the bank and go for 40+ pcomb lifers.

as for life I have 4022 with half *** inventory. with that kind of stacked resist nothing will kill you fast, maybe except when you have a high dmg blizz sorc hitting you when you are getting convict'd from another auradin (lol).

[Huplet]

What about this?

CoA
Mara's
Wizzy (50)
Spirit (35)
Trang's (20)
Arach (20)
Waterwalks
2x Rings (SoJ, Raven, Wisp, Etc.)

I think you're right, inasmuch as the ring flexibility is important against casters. Also, the increased dexterity from Ravenfrost, and the CBF, really help. That means I can drop the Cham from my CoA and stick in a -15/something jewel to go with a Ber.

That makes: 31 DR, 125 FCR, 85 FHR, Maxed/Slightly stacked Res, and 44 Dex from gear. I think I'll have to spend points into strength and dexterity, but I think that it's worth it for increased survivability and flexibility.

Shanelee, could you post your gear/stats, and what charms you use? I'm curious.

[shanelee]

I am far from pally expert but I do screw around in pubs a lot.
I am at work so this list might not b 100% correct.

CoA berber
30mara
mp enigma
wizzy soc 7fhr/15res
35fcr ST w/ 43 resists
arachi
raven/bk
trang
30frw 9dex tri-res(35cr 32lr 21fr) boot/65life waterwalker

45/44/42/40/2x/2x/2x/2x pcombs.
19/19 torch 20/15 anni.
rest 19-20life/random resist scs.

5bo cta + random spirit.

[Huplet]

Nice setup.

[crawlingdeadman]

another note, being frozen doest affect charge speed or anything else important (cast rate) i usually dont go with cbf anywhere. if i feel i need it, i can put on a raven.

[Forbiddian]

My goals: Max Block, Maxed Res, 10k Hammer Damage, 35+ DR, and as much life as possible. Also, of course, 125 FCR, and 86 FHR

What I have on him now is:

Helm: Ber/Cham CoA, 30/23 DR, 393 Def
Helm #2: 2Pally/20FCR/15 All Res base circlet, socketed with Shael
Amulet: 2Pally/10FCR/15 Res Amulet
Weapon: Hoto Flail
Armor: Mage Plate Enigma
Shield: 35/43 Royal Shield Spirit
Gloves: Trang's
Belt: Verdungo, 38/15
Rings: 2x FCR/15 Dex, one with All Res, the other with Fire/Lite Res and Life
Alternative Ring possibilities include: Wisp, Ravenfrost, FCR/Str, SoJ, BK
Boots: Waterwalks, or perhaps Treks

Now, from what I know (not a whole lot), the gear I should be using is in Bold.

This gives me 95 FHR, 125 FCR, Max Block with 167 Dex, Maxed Res with the help of a few charms, and 46 DR.




Ditch Cham for second Ber in your CoA. Doesn't really matter if you get frozen, you should tele anyway.

Ditch Verdungos for Tgods or Arach. Arach lets you switch your rings to SoJs or BKs.


Get a higher def Enigma. What's with Mageplate when you need 180-something strength for CoA anyway?

Get a better amulet. Ideally, you could get 2 pally / 20 fcr (opens up a lot of possibilities).

20 hp charms are overrated. You'll want 45 life/Pcombat charms. 1 hammer skill >>>>> 15 life. Since you have a perfect CoA, I assume that pcombat lifers are within your budget.

Ideally, 9 of those, annihilus, ptorch, and 19 20 life/11 cr scs (or 5 res all)

Getting the 11 cold resist on the scs really would be helpful. You have good resists already with Spirit, Hoto, CoA, etc. but stacking resists is critical in duels. In addition to the 175 base resist all needed for hell, you'll need:

+125 fire or so (Infinity = 85 to 105/Facets)
+300 cold (Infinity and -200 cold from facets and cold mastery)
+175 lightning


Although vs. Sorces, you'll have time to get into your sorb gear, so you don't need those crazy stacked numbers all the time.