Extremely silly Unique Ring Drop Question

[nerdly]

A friend came to me on b.net and said he had mf'd 6 unique rings, then id'd them all at once, and one, of course, was a BK.
I explained that I was almost certain that's not how it works - but then realized I didn't actually know. So I pose it to you, sage.

Is the type of unique ring (soj, manald, etc...) decided upon dropping (as I understand it), or upon id'ing of the ring?

[stephan]

On dropping.

[Barabas]

100% dropping. Rolling of unique items's characteristics ( as well as magic, rare and normal items ) is decided when the items leave the monster and hit the ground.

[Aldeth the Foppish Idiot]

All items are determined when they are dropped. But doesn't the rule that the same unique cannot drop in the same game still apply?

I know it's extremely unlikely to get 6 unique rings in the same game, but theoretically, if you did manage to find 6 unique rings in one game, wouldn't they necessarily all have to be different?

Of course, your friend was mfing, and was probably doing the same runs repeatedly, so it's almost certain he didn't find these all in the same game. Your friend is definitely wrong, but I'm still curious as to whether or not if you happened to get 6 unique rings in the same game (or really any number of unique rings more than one) if all the rings would have to be different.

[MrOzio]

All items are determined when they are dropped. But doesn't the rule that the same unique cannot drop in the same game still apply?

I know it's extremely unlikely to get 6 unique rings in the same game, but theoretically, if you did manage to find 6 unique rings in one game, wouldn't they necessarily all have to be different?

Of course, your friend was mfing, and was probably doing the same runs repeatedly, so it's almost certain he didn't find these all in the same game. Your friend is definitely wrong, but I'm still curious as to whether or not if you happened to get 6 unique rings in the same game (or really any number of unique rings more than one) if all the rings would have to be different.


Back in the good old days there were only 3 unique rings. When you had 2 of them in your inventory it was certain that the next one to drop wouldnt be either of the 2 you already had. Meaning if you had a Nagel and a Manald already in your stash, it was certain that the next unique ring to drop would be a Stone of Jordan.

As of the 1.09 Patch that little glitch no longer aplies. So multiples of the same ring can now drop in one game and there is no real way to change your odds at a certain type dropping.

Hope that helps.

[Aldeth the Foppish Idiot]

Yeah, I knew the way the ring order used to work when there were only 3 unique rings, and I know that having a certain unique in your possession does not prevent that unique from dropping again. However, I thought the "one per game" rule applied. For example, I thought that if you found a SoJ, you could find another if you did and save and exit, regardless of whether or not you still had it in your possession. I just thought you couldn't find a 2nd SoJ in the same game. Obviously, this was wrong.

[krischan]

As of the 1.09 Patch that little glitch no longer aplies. So multiples of the same ring can now drop in one game and there is no real way to change your odds at a certain type dropping.

Hope that helps.

Only one of each unique can drop in a single game. However, when the same unique is to be generated a second time, a rare item is dropped instead, even if there are multiple uniques of the same kind (like rings or amulets, for example).

[MrOzio]

Only one of each unique can drop in a single game. However, when the same unique is to be generated a second time, a rare item is dropped instead, even if there are multiple uniques of the same kind (like rings or amulets, for example).

Then I've been the "victim" of a glitch quite a few times in NM Andy runs. I've had multiples of Nagel drop on several occasions.

[Aldeth the Foppish Idiot]

I also remember reading in a guide posted here that the only way to get two of the same unique if you got them on the same drop. On the same drop, it isn't considered to have been dropped yet, so you could get two only if it happens at the same time.

krischan's comment is a further complicating factor, as presuming there has already been a unique ring drop, there's no way to know whether a rare ring drop is a failed unique or not.

Regardless, I'm still not entirely clear on this, so how about this example: You do a Hell Diablo run. You get a unique ring from each super unique boss from the seals, and you get another unique ring from Big D himself. (I understand the odds of this happening or incredibly low but this is just hypothetically speaking.) Is there any chance that any two of the four rings in your possession are the same unique?

[krischan]

Then I've been the "victim" of a glitch quite a few times in NM Andy runs. I've had multiples of Nagel drop on several occasions.

To be honest, I don't believe you. I actually found Crainte Vomir and a failed unique espanodon (with triple durability) in a single drop of Meph, for example.

Multiple drops of the same set item in the same game are possible, however. Perhaps you confuse it with Sigon's or Angelic rings. I have 1-2 dozens of screenshots with dual set item drops.

[thegiantturtle]

I also remember reading in a guide posted here that the only way to get two of the same unique if you got them on the same drop. On the same drop, it isn't considered to have been dropped yet, so you could get two only if it happens at the same time. This was a theory that has turned out to be incorrect.

krischan's comment is a further complicating factor, as presuming there has already been a unique ring drop, there's no way to know whether a rare ring drop is a failed unique or not.I don't see where there's more confusion, but you're right on not being able to check if it's failed without modding the game.

Regardless, I'm still not entirely clear on this, so how about this example: You do a Hell Diablo run. You get a unique ring from each super unique boss from the seals, and you get another unique ring from Big D himself. (I understand the odds of this happening or incredibly low but this is just hypothetically speaking.) Is there any chance that any two of the four rings in your possession are the same unique?No.

It's pretty simple idea:

The game decides to drop a ring.
The game decides the ring will be unique.
The game picks one of unique rings that can be dropped at that ilvl.
If the item selected at this point has already dropped, you get a rare instead. If it hasn't dropped, you get your unique.

[ProfessionalBerg]

IIRC, it is still possible for the game to drop 2 of the same unique from one and same monster. Maybe I'm wrong, though...

[Aldeth the Foppish Idiot]

I don't see where there's more confusion, but you're right on not being able to check if it's failed without modding the game.

I poor choice of words on my part. What I was trying to say was that I would prefer that if the game decided to drop a unique ring, it would exclude previously-dropped-in-game rings from the list - that the only way you'd get a failed unique rare drop is if you already had all the uniques that such a creature had the potential of dropping.

I understand that this isn't the way it works - I'm just saying it would be nice.

[thegiantturtle]

IIRC, it is still possible for the game to drop 2 of the same unique from one and same monster. Maybe I'm wrong, though...
RTB agrees with krichan and me here (http://forums.diabloii.net/showpost.php?p=6185994&postcount=8).
Orphan agrees here (http://forums.diabloii.net/showpost.php?p=5761058&postcount=9) and you can see how he tested it in a modded game here (http://forums.diabloii.net/showpost.php?p=5358177&postcount=48).

I understand that this isn't the way it works - I'm just saying it would be nice.Ah, in that case, I agree.

[ProfessionalBerg]

Aha, thanks for Myth Busting that myth (:grin:).

[helvete]

Multiple uniques from the same boss monster has been reported in earlier patches (1.09 for my part) even though it shouldn't be possible even then.

What happened to me was I killed NM (i think it was) baal in a realm game (1.09 days, quite a while ago) and he dropped two sets of unique chain boots. I already knew their stats, so I didn't bother to ID them though... To think that could have been a bugged item....