View Full Version : Why do we not see more Polearm barb?
Obedience:
30% Chance To Cast Level 21 Enchant When You Kill An Enemy
40% Faster Hit Recovery
+370% Enhanced Damage
-25% Target Defense
Adds 3-14 Cold Damage 3 Second Duration (Normal)
-25% To Enemy Fire Resistance
40% Chance of Crushing Blow
+200-300 Defense (varies)
+10 To Strength
+10 To Dexterity
All Resistances +20-30 (varies)
Requirements -20%
the best part? most expensive rune is a fal!
what? how is this not being used by every barb around the world? you have a 1k weapon (because of 370%ed), dealing 40% crush and blow, prebuff with level 21 enchant, AND -25% fire resistance, (could be mastery supported), 300 defense... -25% enemy defense, and did i mention the all resist and faster hit recovery?
why is this not being done? it's like the greatest cost/effective weapon ever. (if not already one of the elite weapon in it's own right. i guess no indestructable or unrepairable mod takes away the eth part. but hey, its so cheap, you can make another one when it breaks! (if you decide to eth it)
enigma teleing obedience barb. i think that would instantly make like all the 20 HR obsolete. best part? after the duel, you can laugh at them and tell them that your gear cost 1 fal rune.
how great is that?
It's kind of slow for a whirler weapon, don't you think?
use frenzy!
edit: berserk.
edit2: i mean... whatever barb attack that give you super fast attack rate
xxxkillerxxx
15-02-2008, 13:04
Doesn't work. Sad damage, sad speed. Granted you can make it in an ethereal weapon since it's so cheap but you still need to cheat to get decent attack speed...
superjayson
15-02-2008, 16:16
enigma teleing obedience barb. i think that would instantly make like all the 20 HR obsolete. best part? after the duel, you can laugh at them and tell them that your gear cost 1 fal rune.
how great is that?
in theory it sounds nice, but truth is a polearm barb using this weapon would get murdered and laughed at. sorry bro.
speed is key.
I had an oldschool pole barb last ladder that used ebotdgpa which was fun for something different. Although I ended up putting the pole on a merc and moving his gear back to my dual axe barb after a month or so. The range was awesome I’ll admit, but 1 wep = less chances to hit = less kills. If you’ve been around a while or back in the classic days, all barbs use to duel with poles and spears (lances) so your line of thinking is spot on. But since high dmg one-hand runewords are around now, it makes more sense to go w/ dual high dmg weps, even if one hit from a single wep does similar dmg as two smaller weps combined.
When it comes to dueling ww is almost the default skill to use
berzerk is good also
no ias = SLOW ww (at best you can only have an 8 frame ww) = BAD damage, slow zerking speed (you need to have more ias to make up for it). Which limits your choice for equipment.
Cb doesn't really do THAT much in pvp
Conclusion--- this is a BAD weapon in pvp for barbs.
But you don't need multiple hit to win though, I believe the damage could be so good that you only need to land 1 hit.
Most Dr Gear won't have max resist in mind and vice versa (or am I wrong on this, I just told someone to throw away an eth cs 5os because I didn't realize "death" gives indestructable. so apparently i am wrong about a lot of things now a days)
I don't know, I just find the idea of huge damage in either elemental or physical attractive. Since most people can't resist both (unless all defensive paladins i guess) effectively, hum...
I mean, who wears rising sun/other fire absorb gear against barbs? No one will ever suspect it!
illestkhmai
15-02-2008, 22:57
But you don't need multiple hit to win though, I believe the damage could be so good that you only need to land 1 hit.
Most Dr Gear won't have max resist in mind and vice versa (or am I wrong on this, I just told someone to throw away an eth cs 5os because I didn't realize "death" gives indestructable. so apparently i am wrong about a lot of things now a days)
I don't know, I just find the idea of huge damage in either elemental or physical attractive. Since most people can't resist both (unless all defensive paladins i guess) effectively, hum...
I mean, who wears rising sun/other fire absorb gear against barbs? No one will ever suspect it!
Apparently you don't get it, it's not like enchant gives that much damage. SLOW WW SPEED = LESS hits. LESS hits = NO KILLS.
the damage from a level 21 enchant is LOWWW (74-96) without fire mastery and warmth. it's basically doesn't do ANYTHING in terms of damage.
Plus if you are not using an ETH weapon, your damage won't be high. AGAIN YOU WON'T KILL ANYONE HALF DECENT WITH THIS CRAPPY LOW DAMAGE (both physical (due to the slow speed and the weapon damage isn't high either) and elemental)weapon. Sorry to use caps but just want to make it clear to you.
I mean, who wears rising sun/other fire absorb gear against barbs? No one will ever suspect it!
And then we can stash a 3 PTopaz Wirt's Leg when they do use fire absorb! They'll never see that coming either!
what? A 3 topaz wirt's leg? That's BM. ;P
Seriously, no one will even need fire sorb for that weapon(referring to obedience polearm), cuz it doesn't do any damage (well... 28 pvp damage if they have -100% resist).
DayDream
16-02-2008, 01:59
And then we can stash a 3 PTopaz Wirt's Leg when they do use fire absorb! They'll never see that coming either!
we want gm legit itamz only plz
I still see polearm barbs in duels occasionally and they are so fun to pick on. :P
Obedience:
30% Chance To Cast Level 21 Enchant When You Kill An Enemy
40% Faster Hit Recovery
+370% Enhanced Damage
-25% Target Defense
Adds 3-14 Cold Damage 3 Second Duration (Normal)
-25% To Enemy Fire Resistance
40% Chance of Crushing Blow
+200-300 Defense (varies)
+10 To Strength
+10 To Dexterity
All Resistances +20-30 (varies)
Requirements -20%
the best part? most expensive rune is a fal!
what? how is this not being used by every barb around the world? you have a 1k weapon (because of 370%ed), dealing 40% crush and blow, prebuff with level 21 enchant, AND -25% fire resistance, (could be mastery supported), 300 defense... -25% enemy defense, and did i mention the all resist and faster hit recovery?
why is this not being done? it's like the greatest cost/effective weapon ever. (if not already one of the elite weapon in it's own right. i guess no indestructable or unrepairable mod takes away the eth part. but hey, its so cheap, you can make another one when it breaks! (if you decide to eth it)
enigma teleing obedience barb. i think that would instantly make like all the 20 HR obsolete. best part? after the duel, you can laugh at them and tell them that your gear cost 1 fal rune.
how great is that?
to answer some of your questions the runeword u have chosen is to slow anyway for fastest ww bp anyway. ofc if ur legit and dont use hacks..
Also a grief + beast does more dmg over time than a polearm such as botd due to the chances of ds + openwounds with gear also beasts aura is usefull for dmg boost and zerking speed.
crushing blow is overated n pvp unless ur a bvb barb as the first hit with crushing blow is a huge dmg hit. however it is affected by pvp penalty and dr affects it again some more.
- enemy defense is also at 1/2 effectiveness due to pvp penalty.
However a zerking barb using a polearm can do some huge dmg especially if u stack alot of ds gear.
superjayson
16-02-2008, 18:52
But you don't need multiple hit to win though, I believe the damage could be so good that you only need to land 1 hit.
Most Dr Gear won't have max resist in mind and vice versa (or am I wrong on this, I just told someone to throw away an eth cs 5os because I didn't realize "death" gives indestructable. so apparently i am wrong about a lot of things now a days)
I don't know, I just find the idea of huge damage in either elemental or physical attractive. Since most people can't resist both (unless all defensive paladins i guess) effectively, hum...
I mean, who wears rising sun/other fire absorb gear against barbs? No one will ever suspect it!
you're really not getting it. theres a reason why no one uses this runeword in pvp. take that hint.
it just wont work nearly as good as your theory crafting it to be, but if you're so stuck on using this then by all means make the build. Then let us know how it works out.
SPAWNLORDS
16-02-2008, 18:58
I had an oldschool pole barb last ladder that used ebotdgpa which was fun for something different. Although I ended up putting the pole on a merc and moving his gear back to my dual axe barb after a month or so. The range was awesome I’ll admit, but 1 wep = less chances to hit = less kills. If you’ve been around a while or back in the classic days, all barbs use to duel with poles and spears (lances) so your line of thinking is spot on. But since high dmg one-hand runewords are around now, it makes more sense to go w/ dual high dmg weps, even if one hit from a single wep does similar dmg as two smaller weps combined.
I played back in the "classic days" and this ladder season is first time back.
I was gonna attempt to make my post somehow helpful seeing as how this is all new to me but my orig. post got wiped out when I scrolled back to research the build authors. So here is my attempt to contribute to a forum site that saved me from giving up on d2!
Polearm Barbs IMO are the most lethal WW/killers hands down! I followed Loca's WW/Conc. build equiped with a ebotd-warpike, ap-fort, steels, gores, etc. at lvl 90 he kills everything ,as far as PvM goes, while sustaning little to minor dmg if at all. Minor gear changes and a merc equipped with obidence or pride depending on the type of merc. and his aura, can uber with just one other player and their merc!
I got tired of the rebuild comments and the wut the &*^% kinda barb are you remarks, when did it become part of duels or even gameing to be verbally abuseive? After all does'nt everyone know about the lance/pike barbs of old, I told myself this new generation of players just prob werent hip to my secret weapon and thus the reason for never seeing another Polearm Barb since coming back to play and with a few minor gear changes like dracs, angelics, coa etc. the range/dmg I get with my ebotd-warpike, duel leech rings nothing could touch me before I killed it first.
It was horrible, I was torn to pieces, humiliated by the shame I had brought upon my bueatiful Polearm Barb and the group of friends there cheering me on!
Do yourself and friends a favor and build Yuqing's Bvc or a BvA variant with the equipment guides suggested and leave polearms out of duels, I use these two builds for duels, I can't for the life of me get the hang of all the dueling techniques prob never will, but at least my Polearm Barb is safe and perhaps oneday they will rule the duel!
Thanks to everyone who posts and replies this really is a great forum site
Well... polearm barbs can still do okay in duels (Of course not as good as the standard cookie cutter bvc with griefz and beastz), just need to choose your weapon wisely. An ebotdgpa can dash out some good damage. Do yourself a favour, just read up on the mechanic of ww and the bps of the ww attack.
Just give you a good polearm weapon- use Ebotd Great Poleaxe (It'll hit the last bp of ww with great damage and range)
SPAWNLORDS
18-02-2008, 06:44
Well... polearm barbs can still do okay in duels (Of course not as good as the standard cookie cutter bvc with griefz and beastz), just need to choose your weapon wisely. An ebotdgpa can dash out some good damage. Do yourself a favour, just read up on the mechanic of ww and the bps of the ww attack.
Just give you a good polearm weapon- use Ebotd Great Poleaxe (It'll hit the last bp of ww with great damage and range)
Maybe we all should read up on the mechanic's of ww and the bps of it's attack- last I checked it goes off weapons base speed thus it would make the ebotd-war spear the fastest polearm, it has less damg than the ebotd-war pike (the war pike polearm in it's eth form does the most dmg out of all in the class) but has better chance of hitting the last bp. I have used both of these weapons with perfect botd combined with 2xangelic rings and ammy pre-buff with conc/ attack will give in the neighborhood of ww/20-23k attack rating. I wish it was possible to use a polearm for a BvC or any type of barbarian build specific for dueling, I wish with all my barbarian loving heart that it were possible, it's my obsession. As far as a dueling barb build is concerned it can't be done vs. any build (a high kill% in duels is my point here).:scratch:
Please, anyone correct me if I am wrong on my reaserch, the Polearm Barb is the love of my life!
SHAPERLOVER
18-02-2008, 16:00
"because Only Shapers Benefit From Weapon Range "
Maybe we all should read up on the mechanic's of ww and the bps of it's attack- last I checked it goes off weapons base speed thus it would make the ebotd-war spear the fastest polearm, it has less damg than the ebotd-war pike (the war pike polearm in it's eth form does the most dmg out of all in the class) but has better chance of hitting the last bp. I have used both of these weapons with perfect botd combined with 2xangelic rings and ammy pre-buff with conc/ attack will give in the neighborhood of ww/20-23k attack rating. I wish it was possible to use a polearm for a BvC or any type of barbarian build specific for dueling, I wish with all my barbarian loving heart that it were possible, it's my obsession. As far as a dueling barb build is concerned it can't be done vs. any build (a high kill% in duels is my point here).:scratch:
Please, anyone correct me if I am wrong on my reaserch, the Polearm Barb is the love of my life!
hmmm no offense, but what are you talking about?
1) spear is not a polearm class weapon it belongs to spear class weapon
2) war-spear? :shocked: what are you talking about? it's damage is 10 - 37 (23.5 Avg)
3) I think you misunderstood how the ww attack speed works, ebotd war pike will never hit the last bp in ww.
do your self a favour, read up these two links :smiley:
1)http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/elite/polearms.shtml (All the elite POLEARMS)
2) http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=312805 (Contains all the weapon that will hit the last ww bp, and more importantly how to calculate which will hit the last bp and which will not)
SPAWNLORDS
29-02-2008, 04:52
do your self a favour, read up these two links :smiley:
1)http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/elite/polearms.shtml (All the elite POLEARMS)
2) http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=312805 (Contains all the weapon that will hit the last ww bp, and more importantly how to calculate which will hit the last bp and which will not)[/QUOTE]
oops my bad thank you for the clarification-
yes its ebotd war fork i was refering to that hits the last ww bp and it is a spear (SPEAR CLASS) and yes i have looked through these exstensively thank you also, none the less my point is that even with it's ww bp, polearm/spear barbs (which i love) cant match (in duels) anything out there.
but thank you my friend for your point as it is people like yourself that keep me coming back to this forum:thumbsup:
If you're going to make a range 5 barb, at least make sure it hits 4fpa. BotD in a Great Poleaxe or Ghost Spear takes care of business.
Still, I would rather get twice as many hit checks by dual wielding. Not only does it mean more damage, but it means putting your opponent into fhr/fbr more often with tri-whirl.
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