View Full Version : Whats a good build against Smiters
FiveCent
14-02-2008, 06:27
They beat my windy druid about every time, I guess closed range fighting isn't so great, but I can't think of a good build that would give smiters a run for their money, any suggestions?
NewForumBloke
14-02-2008, 06:40
Other than a windy? BvC's take them pretty easy most of the time (cept the really good tele smiters) Hammerdins, Bone Necros. Im sure there are others, and ill let the others list em for ya.
-BLoke :smug:
MysticDragon
14-02-2008, 07:53
Erm... A Windy shouldn't have a problem against Smiters.
mephiztophelez
14-02-2008, 08:02
Erm... A Windy shouldn't have a problem against Smiters.
my thoughts exactly.
Erm... A Windy shouldn't have a problem against Smiters.
ditto that.
Von Lazuli
14-02-2008, 12:27
Question 1. Do you summon Wolves?
If the answer is no, then summon them. OK... Now try again.
Question 2. Do you Teleport?
If the answer is no, then um... You have no minion stack. How is your windy being used?
Those are the only two things I can think of that would make it easy for a smiter to beat you.
Laz
xxxkillerxxx
14-02-2008, 12:56
Erm... A Windy shouldn't have a problem against Smiters.
Lifetap and good telesmiting isn't that easy though.
Hammerdins are miles ahead everything else when it comes to killing smiters.
NewForumBloke
14-02-2008, 15:32
Exactly, good telesmiters are a hard duel for most characters, but as you said, and i agree, hammerdins are prolly one of the top anti smiter builds, as are bone necros, and windy's.
FiveCent
14-02-2008, 15:56
So wolves > Bear against smiters?
superjayson
14-02-2008, 16:45
Whats a good build against Smiters
a smiter. ;\
NewForumBloke
14-02-2008, 22:59
Wolves > Bear every single time afaik for windys. Unless your specifically built for a different purpose.
Everytime I've made a max block caster they've demolished smiters. SS+Maxblock+Ranged Attack is always good as long as you don't stay in one spot for more than a couple casts.
FiveCent
15-02-2008, 00:51
I'm using the windy build pvp 1.10 in the druid forums which said to used the bear iirc, should i always use wolves? and im max vita not block btw
It takes more hits for the smiter to kill your wolfs than your bear.
The summons are only like meat shields when dueling smiters.
5 wolfs tank more hits than 1 bear. That's why you use wolfs instead
It takes more hits for the smiter to kill your wolfs than your bear.
The summons are only like meat shields when dueling smiters.
5 wolfs tank more hits than 1 bear. That's why you use wolfs instead
Exactly. Smiters deal enough damage that your 1pt bear is going to die in one hit, period. One hit of minion protection < 5 :C
MysticDragon
15-02-2008, 20:56
In general, use Wolves vs Barbs/Paladins/Bone Necs and use Bear vs Sorcs/Windy.
DayDream
16-02-2008, 02:02
a LIFETAP smiter. ;\
Fixed for certain definate victory.
Which summons to use in duels was listed.
I didn't have much problems with my windy when dueling a smiter
You could play defensive and cast random nados towards the smiter and teleport ontop of the nados.
uptoolayte
18-02-2008, 01:17
When I play good smiters with my windy, they kill me every time, I don't get it, I teleport like crazy with full minion stack, never stay still for more than a second, and somehow they are able to charge me, namelock me, and hit only me (through my wolves) every single time from a screen away. When I fight windy's with my smiter, I run up to them, eat their tornadoes, and by the time I NL them, I'm dead. My windy and smiter both have godly gear but I can't seem to beat either of them.
Gabrielle
18-02-2008, 01:35
Do you have max block on your windy by any chance? If you allready have max block, then maybe using Doom helps out alot. Good smiters if they are full vita have around 5k life and max DR so don't expect them to "own" them with a windy.
Builds that can easily beat smiters are bone necs and hammerdins.
SHAPERLOVER
18-02-2008, 15:55
Shapers Because I Beat Smiters Ez With My 5 Range And Clegs Omg
as said hammerdins are probably the no 1 anti smiter build. so one sided its actually quite boring.
even a very skilled smiter has very little chance vs a hammer build, unless ofc ur a complete noob who stands still in a hammerfield.. As stated it is very one-sided style of dueling
incredibigmack
20-02-2008, 15:53
my BvC dont really have a problem with them.
A bvc is about 50/50 I'd say at least versus a skilled smiter.
A general pub smiter that has no idea of course is much easier for barbs.
Uncle_Mike
20-02-2008, 23:29
A general pub smiter that has no idea of course is much easier for barbs.
Unless they are "general pub barbs that have no idea" themselves :smiley:
Well yes of course. I do see lots of moron barbs wwing thru shift/smiters.
Although I was referring to our much smarter forum members that understand the principles of whirl away and clipping. :wink:
Perfect Hatred
22-02-2008, 18:46
Make a hammerdin, spam 1-2 hammers then take a few steps towards the smiter and spam another 1-2 hammers and repeat. Never move outside the hammer circle. If smiter tries to get you he is so dead. Never try to telestomp the smiter, its a bad bad idea. Put on 2 wisp projector rings as well to get 40% lightning absorb in case the smiter tries to annoy you with Foh. The only time smiters have killed my hammer is when I mistake them for another hammerdin and telestomp them :azn:
These duels could get boring if the smiter refuses to engage and just backs off and you refuse to telestomp him.
SHAPERLOVER
22-02-2008, 19:21
Make a hammerdin, spam 1-2 hammers then take a few steps towards the smiter and spam another 1-2 hammers and repeat. Never move outside the hammer circle. If smiter tries to get you he is so dead. Never try to telestomp the smiter, its a bad bad idea. Put on 2 wisp projector rings as well to get 40% lightning absorb in case the smiter tries to annoy you with Foh. The only time smiters have killed my hammer is when I mistake them for another hammerdin and telestomp them :azn:
These duels could get boring if the smiter refuses to engage and just backs off and you refuse to telestomp him.
lol are u implaying that hammer cant play offensive vs smiter?
jesterlolz
22-02-2008, 22:14
No, he's saying you should annoy the smiter until he offs himself from boredom.
SHAPERLOVER
22-02-2008, 23:10
No, he's saying you should annoy the smiter until he offs himself from boredom.
lol why play like **** PL_pala when u can kill him in no time ~~
Perfect Hatred
22-02-2008, 23:26
lol are u implaying that hammer cant play offensive vs smiter?
Well technically this IS offensive since you are moving towards the smiter while spamming hammers. The smiter is the one who has to run like a ***** or die like a ******.
Make a hammerdin, spam 1-2 hammers then take a few steps towards the smiter and spam another 1-2 hammers and repeat. Never move outside the hammer circle. If smiter tries to get you he is so dead. Never try to telestomp the smiter, its a bad bad idea. Put on 2 wisp projector rings as well to get 40% lightning absorb in case the smiter tries to annoy you with Foh. The only time smiters have killed my hammer is when I mistake them for another hammerdin and telestomp them :azn:
These duels could get boring if the smiter refuses to engage and just backs off and you refuse to telestomp him.
LOL bad tactics if u ask me, ive seen smarter smiters carry widow in stash vs this bs and forcing the hammer to telestomp into smites or get shreaded by a bow...or good tele smiters come in and tele smite ur blind spot..
u can tele stomp smiters but u need to use surprise i.e if the smiter is walking away/not paying attention and u hold a delayed namelock, this is a risky technique but can work, if they are smiting air u never tele on top of them or u get f***ed up, instead tele near them so that the hammer has enough range to hit but the smiter can not hit you. it also is useful to desync hammerfields arround smiters as well.
xxxkillerxxx
23-02-2008, 17:11
LOL bad tactics if u ask me, ive seen smarter smiters carry widow in stash vs this bs and forcing the hammer to telestomp into smites or get shreaded by a bow...or good tele smiters come in and tele smite ur blind spot..
You don't get shredded by widow lol, it's not much better on smiters than on barbs, i.e. no threat level whatsoever. Just ignore and kill with ibh lmao.
MysticDragon
23-02-2008, 18:51
Meh. Smiter with Widow still has very little chance against a Hammerdin.
You don't get shredded by widow lol, it's not much better on smiters than on barbs, i.e. no threat level whatsoever. Just ignore and kill with ibh lmao.
im talking about the idea tactic which was brought up to counter the post i quoted in my previous post..
like i said if u only have enough skills to do this;
Make a hammerdin, spam 1-2 hammers then take a few steps towards the smiter and spam another 1-2 hammers and repeat. Never move outside the hammer circle. If smiter tries to get you he is so dead. Never try to telestomp the smiter, its a bad bad idea.
These duels could get boring if the smiter refuses to engage and just backs off and you refuse to telestomp him.
then ur going to prolly die to a smiter using widow...
I don't find windowmaker chars hard at all. They are most likey to use drac to compliment with that bow, which means life tap, which also means pub style. Even for bvcs, I will always have a sactuary shield in stash, just in case i need to slow missle them, I would swich my bo shield for it. Hey, it isn't bm to use slow since they are using lifetap anyway.
There is no way a hdin will have trouble with a smiter. The only weakness a hdin has is pnb necs and/or wind druids.
SHAPERLOVER
24-02-2008, 14:41
I don't find windowmaker chars hard at all. They are most likey to use drac to compliment with that bow, which means life tap, which also means pub style. Even for bvcs, I will always have a sactuary shield in stash, just in case i need to slow missle them, I would swich my bo shield for it. Hey, it isn't bm to use slow since they are using lifetap anyway.
There is no way a hdin will have trouble with a smiter. The only weakness a hdin has is pnb necs and/or wind druids.
not liftap is annoying in dracs but ow, still widowmakers does nothing to be worth stash space ~~
Shouldn't be a problem with ow so long the arrows are too slow to catch up with the din.
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