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Christ, what an awful game by the New England's offensive line...
Just figured I'd start the thread since there wasn't one already
I don't like either team, but the Patriots a bit moreso. I'm a raider fan so any team with that coward and quitter Randy Moss deserves to loose. Glad it happened.
I hate it when Canadians think they know football.
I didn't even know it was on until it was over...d'oh!
Ummm, I'm actually not Canadian - I've just lived up here for 6 months...
Also, if you didn't know it was on - please don't condescend to me
Ummm, I'm actually not Canadian - I've just lived up here for 6 months...
Also, if you didn't know it was on - please don't condescend to me
The comment wasn't directed at you.
Ummm, I'm actually not Canadian - I've just lived up here for 6 months...
Also, if you didn't know it was on - please don't condescend to me
I hate you because your Canadian.
I hate you because your Canadian.
His Canadian what?
His Canadian what?
... haha.
come back zinc
04-02-2008, 17:57
My brother got 4:1 odds for the Giants with a friend of his. He only made $40 but, damn, that's easy money.
The Giants deserved it, though I couldn't help feeling bad for Brady. He looked so scared when he came out on the field with 28 seconds left and 50 yards to get to Field Goal range.
I'll second the crappy O-Line.
charlengu
04-02-2008, 21:27
How can anyone possibly feel bad for Brady? He's so incredibly pretentious, it's annoying. Yes, I am from the Manning camp.
The Patriots have arguably the best offensive line in the NFL. Credit the Giants defense, please.
i'll watch football if they start playing in hardcore mode :devil:
come back zinc
04-02-2008, 22:14
'Cause after all the talk - "only score 21 pts? haha give us a little credit". Then they go out and barely put 14 on the board.
I felt sorry for him cause (1) he was smack-talking when he should have been following the Pats credo: "no ego", (2) they blew a perfect season, (3) During their last series he looked like he had already given up and was just 'going through the motions' (underthrow a double covered Moss twice? Come on!).
Deserved? Absolutely.
Good D or bad O-line? I think that's one of those half-full / half-empty situations.
ZappaFan
04-02-2008, 22:47
Good D or bad O-line? I think that's one of those half-full / half-empty situations.
I lean towards the "Good D" equation because it wasn't as much a matter of the NE line making mistakes, it was more a matter of the Giants D making plays, out-quicking and out-muscling the Pats O-Line. The Giants D-line was just awesome.
charlengu
04-02-2008, 23:08
Stephen Neal getting hurt was a big blow, but I still say it was good defense. The rotation of defensive linemen the Giants set up was devastating.
Those Hail Marys had no chance at all. Randy was at least 60 yards down the field on those throws. It's hard not to underthrow him in those situations.
1.) The Offensive Line couldn't create gaps in the running game or stop the pass rush, one or the other and it would have been a very different game.
2.) IIRC 3 false starts on Matt Light and 2 more on the other o-linemen, also, there were times when they had Kyle Brady lining up across from the Giants' ends in single blocking situations - that's just poor.
The Giants D-line did have a hell of a game, but the Pats O-line certainly didn't play anywhere near a decent game
Crappy. O-Line = GFG Brady.
Didn't want Moss to win the ring anyways.
GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Crappy. O-Line = GFG Brady.
Didn't want Moss to win the ring anyways.
GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YES. Someone to wallow in the pain of defeat with. Next year, damn it.
There O-Line isnt bad, its just that the Giants D-Line is soo deep, fast and young and had a great scheme!
Pats are OLD they need to get younger. The biggest problem for the Pats really was their D not having the gas at the end to make the final stop, Brady and the O got the winning drive btu the D couldnt pull it off.
I made $500 on the game!
LuckyDwarf
07-02-2008, 09:15
Super tuesday > super bowl. *Sticks tongue out*
Lucky
BilboTeabaggins
07-02-2008, 16:28
I still don't think the giants are as good of a football team. They caught a ton of breaks and the O-line was playing badly. They weren't paying attention and were doing stupid things like doubling up one one lineman instead of watching for the blitz even though they blitzed almost every play.
Anybody who tries to trash talk Brady is stupid. His line was doing horrible yet he still completed 60% and, had asante samuel not dropped that easy interception, he would of led the patriots down for the game winning drive.
Sorry, but it wasnt the Pats O-line screwing up, it was the Giants front 7 D OWNING the Pats!
Sure, guys screw up here and there in a game, maybe give up a couple sacks due to errors, but you do not give up 5 sacks especially (1) to a rookie that sealed the deal and the other stats that I cannot find which includes knockdowns and hurrys on the QB and call it "mistakes".
Fact is the Pats simply got beat by the better team on that day. Pats where showing signs of running out of gas late season and in the playoffs. Giants took the deep threat away with an intense pas rush giving Brady no time to go deep. The Pats lived on big plays in the passing game all year and didint really run the ball much at all even though they have a very good back.
Giants stuffed the Pats run and then pinned their ears back and unleashed the dogs!
I dont care how good an O-line is, they cant always block when its X vs X+1 and most of the time when a team decides they can rush (1) extra guy nearly every play it is because they have no running game to worry about. Thing is, many times even when the Giants only sent their front 4 they still ran right over the Pats...not due to errors, it was due to HUNGER and YOUTH and DEPTH! Giants have a ton of young fast hard rushing linemen. Hell Tuck got hurt and they didnt skip a beat! Strahan looked like a 23 yr old!
In the end, even with the Giants smacking them in the mouth Brady and the O was able to give the Pats the "game winning drive" at the end of the game, it jsut turns out they left enough time on the clock for the Giants to drive again and the OLD GUYS just didnt have the gas in the tank to shut down the Giants like they had seemed to always have in the earlier parts of the season. Sure, they got close, I mean tht near sack on Manning could of been a game breaker, but it wasnt!
On any given day anyone can beat anyone especially with the right schemes. One could easily argue that over the years that the Pats have been a Super Bowl threat they have never had the "best team on paper" until this year! They just have the best schemer in the game in a head coach, some really hard working crafty veterans that always seemd to make the big play at exactly the right time especially a guy like Bruschki. Troy Brown playing both ways and they still are a threat???
Giants were indeed the better team on THAT day with the better scheme!
BilboTeabaggins
07-02-2008, 17:35
Sorry, but it wasnt the Pats O-line screwing up, it was the Giants front 7 D OWNING the Pats!
Sure, guys screw up here and there in a game, maybe give up a couple sacks due to errors, but you do not give up 5 sacks especially (1) to a rookie that sealed the deal and the other stats that I cannot find which includes knockdowns and hurrys on the QB and call it "mistakes".
Fact is the Pats simply got beat by the better team on that day. Pats where showing signs of running out of gas late season and in the playoffs. Giants took the deep threat away with an intense pas rush giving Brady no time to go deep. The Pats lived on big plays in the passing game all year and didint really run the ball much at all even though they have a very good back.
Giants stuffed the Pats run and then pinned their ears back and unleashed the dogs!
I dont care how good an O-line is, they cant always block when its X vs X+1 and most of the time when a team decides they can rush (1) extra guy nearly every play it is because they have no running game to worry about. Thing is, many times even when the Giants only sent their front 4 they still ran right over the Pats...not due to errors, it was due to HUNGER and YOUTH and DEPTH! Giants have a ton of young fast hard rushing linemen. Hell Tuck got hurt and they didnt skip a beat! Strahan looked like a 23 yr old!
In the end, even with the Giants smacking them in the mouth Brady and the O was able to give the Pats the "game winning drive" at the end of the game, it jsut turns out they left enough time on the clock for the Giants to drive again and the OLD GUYS just didnt have the gas in the tank to shut down the Giants like they had seemed to always have in the earlier parts of the season. Sure, they got close, I mean tht near sack on Manning could of been a game breaker, but it wasnt!
On any given day anyone can beat anyone especially with the right schemes. One could easily argue that over the years that the Pats have been a Super Bowl threat they have never had the "best team on paper" until this year! They just have the best schemer in the game in a head coach, some really hard working crafty veterans that always seemd to make the big play at exactly the right time especially a guy like Bruschki. Troy Brown playing both ways and they still are a threat???
Giants were indeed the better team on THAT day with the better scheme!
3/5 sacks at least were poor decisions and the O-line not paying attention. I watched it closely and saw blatant mistakes by the line that gave the defense basically a red carpet to brady. They really didn't "own" the OLD GUYS on the last drive considering they had 2-3 very lucky plays that would probably not happen if they played another 100 times (the samuel int drop and that near sack that turns into a near interception-helmet catch). I don't remember the last time they weren't the super bowl favorite before the season began or very close to that title. It's been what 4-5 years? They've been the best team on paper for a long time. I consider the coach part of the team so ya...
The winner of every game ends up with a few breaks that go their way!
Cant count how many dropped passes or "immaculate receptions" there have been in this game that ended some teams run, or started one for another team.
There is a reason Samual is a DB, and it isnt because he is a "great handsy receiver" or he would of been playing some wide out in the past when they had issues. i garuntee you he has dropped many many interceptions just like every wideout in the game has dropped passes.
Cant give any credit to the Giants? So the O-Line just gave them those sacks? Couldnt possibly been a "fake" or a "stunt"? Giants stunt like mad man, they proved to have one of the best pas rushing D's this season! Stop blaming the Pats for screwing up and give credit where credit is due.
You know, Manning didnt give away all those losses to the Pats in the old days, they took them! But a "blind" Manning/Colts fan could argue every stinking loss and claim it was all Manning screwing up and give the Pats no credit. You can blame guys every time for Offensive mistakes but there are (2) teams involved and both influence every play made! Hell, it is common for someone to rush the same way for many times knowing they will fail just to set the guy up for a different move that they want to make in "crunch" time!
Pats got beat, they didnt give it away!
BilboTeabaggins
07-02-2008, 22:58
I'll give a little bit of credit to the giants defense but I think it was easily preventable had the O-line ate some wheaties in that morning. It was a little of both. No way you could make a valid argument for the giants defense being the only factor and the patriots offensive line not being up to the standard they set all season.
Samuel is a DB because he's not very tall not because he can't catch. I think last year he led the NFL in interceptions so I doubt he drops wide open balls like that that often, if ever.
This is one of those rare occasions that the better team loses in the super bowl and it sucks that we won't get to see history made. I don't even like baseball yet I'm so glad I got to witness the 98 chase between mark and sammy because it's some great event that I got to witness, even if I don't respect either of the players involved. Oh well, they're already heavily favored to win the next super bowl and they'll make the appropriate adjustments to work towards that.
Cant argue with these stats!
Keep in mind these little facts also.....
Pats play in one of the worst divisions in the game thus one can argue they had (6) free games!
Giants played a much tougher division, (3) playoff teams one of which was suppose to be in the Superbowl and even Philly isnt a push over when healthy.
Giants gave up 80 points in the first two games so even ranked #7 doesnt show the truth compared to what they really were.
The D had to deal with an offense that had the leading QB in turnovers in the league, several injuries to running backs, a #1 wideout that was not practicing all year and injured all year as well as loose their TE plus put up with all the media bull crap that Manning sucked and wasnt a leader!
Derrick Ward lost
Frankly, I saw history made! Giants shocked the world, now it wont stand out in history like a 19-0 Superbowl winning team would but it is one of the best Superbowls I have ever seen and one of the most dominating performances vs a truly great team I have ever seen!
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&season=2007&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=FindasonType=POST&d-447263-s=TOTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-n=1
Valar-Wrath
08-02-2008, 06:25
As much I hate to say it, the Giants deserved it.
Pats just got outplayed.
BilboTeabaggins
08-02-2008, 10:13
Cant argue with these stats!
Keep in mind these little facts also.....
Pats play in one of the worst divisions in the game thus one can argue they had (6) free games!
Giants played a much tougher division, (3) playoff teams one of which was suppose to be in the Superbowl and even Philly isnt a push over when healthy.
Giants gave up 80 points in the first two games so even ranked #7 doesnt show the truth compared to what they really were.
The D had to deal with an offense that had the leading QB in turnovers in the league, several injuries to running backs, a #1 wideout that was not practicing all year and injured all year as well as loose their TE plus put up with all the media bull crap that Manning sucked and wasnt a leader!
Derrick Ward lost
Frankly, I saw history made! Giants shocked the world, now it wont stand out in history like a 19-0 Superbowl winning team would but it is one of the best Superbowls I have ever seen and one of the most dominating performances vs a truly great team I have ever seen!
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&season=2007&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=FindasonType=POST&d-447263-s=TOTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-n=1
17-14 is hardly dominated.
There is no such thing as free games in the NFL and you're only looking at virtually the only bad teams they played all year. You're forgetting that they played and beat almost every playoff team. Patriots weren't blessed with 0 injuries all season either so that really doesn't matter.
Scores dont show the way the Giants D Shut down the run and turned a big play passing team into nothing but quick hitters. They were dominated and shut down, everything they wanted to do was taken away.
Yep, beat the Colts with 6 key starters injured (3) on O-Line and loosing 3 more in the first half (1) being the only wideout option other than Wayne allwoing them to double and triple him the last two quarters and (2) more O-Line guys. Top it off the Colts still had a chance to win that game......Injuries come and go in the NFL and everyone has to deal with them but talking about beating al the playoff teams and not considering the condition they were in at the time is foolish. They also beat the Giants previously and that didnt do them any good in the end! Regular season wins have little to do with the playoffs.
I am done here, you are a blinded fan that cant see facts, sorry for your loss.
BilboTeabaggins
08-02-2008, 16:44
Not a blinded fan, you are just bitter because brady probably kept your team out of the super bowl several times and feel all is justified now that he lost.
So the game was played between the patriots offense and giants defense? I was convinced the ball switched possession during the course of the game. But really, the patriots must have "shut down" the giants offense as much as the giants did to the patriots if the game was *that* close, considering the several lucky breaks the giants got.
Were the Cowboys hurt? How about the Steelers? Jaguars? Redskins? Chargers? Browns? These were all good teams this year and all went down to the pats. Who else had such a tough schedule this year?
I believe Richard Seymour was hurt through many of the games. Rodney Harrison has also been injured. As well as half their offensive line, a very good OLB in Colvin, Maroney, etc. They have had big injuries all year and they still beat all those good teams.
I also am done with the post. The better team lost on a combination of the line playing poorly and a bunch of lucky breaks for the giants.
ZappaFan
08-02-2008, 17:53
The better team lost on a combination of the line playing poorly and a bunch of lucky breaks for the giants.
Sorry, but the expression "the better team lost" is an oxymoron. The best way to decide who the better team is by having them play each other. The Pats won a very close game the first time and Giants won a close game the 2nd time - the one that really counted. So the only thing anybody can do it tip their hat to the Giants and say they're the better team. Anything else is pure rationalization.
I'll also add that a good defense has a way of making a good offense look bad, making mistakes that they usually don't. I'm reading things in this thread that sound like people think the Pats handed the game to the Giants and/or that the Giants only won because of lucky breaks. That's baloney. The Giants worked their tails off for that win, and they totally deserved it. Is there any doubt that the Giants were the best defense the Pats played all season? Defense wins championships. 'nuff said.
I really don't care about either team, I'm a Detroit Lions fan (pity da fool!), so I certainly had no horse in this race. But I watched the game and I would give a lot more credit to the Giants for the way they played before I would fault the Pats for the way they played.
Defense wins championships. 'nuff said.
Quoted for truth! One came and kicked *** and the other came and ran out of gas!
Now.....THIS IS MY LAST POST.......in this thread arguing about who won/loss who gave/earned...etc.
Valar-Wrath
08-02-2008, 20:03
Now.....THIS IS MY LAST POST.......in this thread arguing about who won/loss who gave/earned...etc.
Lol, I'm starting to see a trend, Stinger. Maybe you just shouldn't say those 5 little words anymore.
Just waiting for Bilbo to post to top it off.
P.S. I expect this will provoke another post. :tongue:
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