Is this item good for LLD? [the official LLD item thread] [Archive]

Uncle_Mike

28-01-2008, 01:00

Hi,

This is a new feature, hope it works. I've seen people ask questions about items for LLD, it's time there's a thread where we can discuss viability of items.

THIS IS NOT A PRICECHECK THREAD - if you need a pricecheck go to Trade Values forum.

Have fun :cool:

Let me start: 15 max 10 ed% jewel, lvl 18 req :jig:

:prop::prop:

edit:

to make it easier on everyone that would offer to help, i think we should all quote who we are responding to. i wasnt sure without going through each one as to whom had been answered.

Evrae Altana

28-01-2008, 01:01

3 socket 50 life light plate

lvl 25 req

Uncle_Mike

28-01-2008, 01:04

3 socket 50 life light plate

lvl 25 req

Our official lifetap smiter posted, DISO answers :wink3:

If you see people ask similar questions feel free to re-direct them to this thread :thumbsup:

Zangeif

28-01-2008, 01:25

Let me start: 15 max 10 ed% jewel, lvl 18 req

Yes it's OK but nothing special.

3 socket 50 life light plate

Possibly on Europe where some people cap LLD at 29, and max life is 60.

However, max life on a level 30 armor is 80, and makes this pretty much useless for level 30 dueling.

Uncle_Mike

28-01-2008, 01:29

DayDream

28-01-2008, 04:41

1-4 damage
28 attack rating
15 stamina
level 6 jewel

Zangeif

28-01-2008, 05:31

IMO a plain 9 max is better, which would make your jewel basically worthless.

frums

28-01-2008, 19:23

how bout this one ?
lvl9
3min
3max
14ar
-15req

struikje

28-01-2008, 19:53

Yes it's OK but nothing special.

Possibly on Europe where some people cap LLD at 29, and max life is 60.

However, max life on a level 30 armor is 80, and makes this pretty much useless for level 30 dueling.

I know it's easy to get better armors, and it's better to wait for other armors, however, I sold a couple of 39-36 life light plates for um+pul. And i didn't really have to do much to find me a buyer. It can be useless, but people still pay for it :).

Struikje

Zangeif

28-01-2008, 19:58

how bout this one ?
lvl9
3min
3max
14ar
-15req

It's worth something, but not much.

I sold a couple of 39-36 life light plates for um+pul.

I can't imagine anyone that would prefer 36 life over an extra socket. A plain 4os Gothic Plate is better than this armor in every situation I can imagine.

Rynefire

29-01-2008, 11:09

lvl 30 req.
10 fcr
31 Ar
7 strength
89 mana
26 PR
Poison length reduced by 25%

I'm pretty sure this is usable for llders but is it good or nothing special?

Romasm

29-01-2008, 11:29

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/7597/23030481cm7.png
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/1764/hilmgf5.jpg

Assa circlet lvl 30:
2traps
30frw
xxxAR based on Clvl
Some strength, i believe 15?

Palacirclet
2 PC
20fcr
Magic (0sox)

Rare jewel (found it in the beginning of the ladder)
13max
9%ed
-15req
lvl 9 req ^^

Sorc amulet
2Lightning skills
10fcr
9energy
5mana
10life
lvl 30

Ancient armor 3sox 79/78/72 life (lvl 30)
Light plate 3sox 24FHR (lvl 25)

Stag Bow
5sox
15ed
3ar

Im sure i have more on mules, will check when i get home

Von Lazuli

29-01-2008, 11:39

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/8533/swordrp9.jpg

Stats:
5-52 listed Damage
20IAS
78ED
19 Max
15 AR
4-10 Fire Damage
5 Lightning resist
No Sockets

I know it is level 19... but I duel outside of arranged things with my LLDs, so I don't mind going to 19 in order to use it. It just seemed handy... I mean, all the mods I want are there.(well.. ok, it is missing 2 sockets and eth repair)

I am just wondering if it is worth using or if a stock standard Maxer weapon is better.

Laz

Edit: Why can't we embed pictures anymore?

dainbramage

29-01-2008, 14:09

Zangeif

29-01-2008, 16:36

Trap circlet - missing fcr, that is going to murder its value
Pally circlet - worth a bit with 2 sox, otherwise a starter at best
VLLD jewel - goldmine
Light ammy - starter
ancient armours - they'd be excellent if they were light plate. As is, they lack ed and are pretty useless.
light plate - nice. You should get a bit for it
Stag bow - perfect base, worth a decent bit.
-------
Longsword is junk

I agree with everything except I think the ancient armors are definately worth something. They can't have ED with 3os. They are decent charger armors, or even decent for a WW barb despite the frw penalty.

Also the fcr ring listed is pretty nice. There aren't many builds that needs fcr rings over sojs, but this is a nice one.

struikje

29-01-2008, 17:41

Just gambled this amulet : +2 cold skills +78 life (lvl 30)

is it worth something, or do you really need fcr on one.

Greetings Struikje

crawlingdeadman

29-01-2008, 18:02

Just gambled this amulet : +2 cold skills +78 life (lvl 30)

is it worth something, or do you really need fcr on one.

Greetings Struikje

cold sorcs as a rule dont need as much fcr as fire sorcs so that is a very useable ammy. a rare with other good mods would top it, but that is nice enough to trade or use.

edit: to make it easier on everyone that would offer to help, i think we should all quote who we are responding to. i wasnt sure without going through each one as to whom had been answered.

DayDream

01-02-2008, 15:56

1pnb*
20fcr
3bone spear
3bone spirit wand
wand? Is it better than spirit sword? Hitting the 125fcr may be a little more difficult and will have to use a caster craft belt over strings.

crawlingdeadman

01-02-2008, 22:58

1pnb*
20fcr
3bone spear
3bone spirit wand
wand? Is it better than spirit sword? Hitting the 125fcr may be a little more difficult and will have to use a caster craft belt over strings.

ive seen a few guys using really good rare heads and wands and just skipping the 125 bp. i'd have that wand in my stash for if i wanted to really increase my damage. really a shame that it's not either 1pnb/3spear at lvl 18 or 2pnb, but it's really nice.

struikje

01-02-2008, 23:11

Had these in my stash for a while:
+2pnb 30 frw (no fcr..) can get 2 sox
+2pnb 10fcr 10@res 47 fire 4ml lvl 30 (this is more of a price check, don't want to start a new topic for it :).
+30/20 +15@res towershield, lvl 21, can get 2sox.
+30/20 +7@res towershield, lvl 8, can get 2sox.
+5fhr +10ar sc

Greetings Struikje

Uncle_Mike

01-02-2008, 23:38

+2pnb 10fcr 10@res 47 fire 4ml lvl 30 (this is more of a price check, don't want
Greetings Struikje

This is not a price check

Greetings, Moderator :tongue:

Zangeif

02-02-2008, 00:44

ive seen a few guys using really good rare heads and wands and just skipping the 125 bp. i'd have that wand in my stash for if i wanted to really increase my damage. really a shame that it's not either 1pnb/3spear at lvl 18 or 2pnb, but it's really nice.

Yeah if you can afford a godly wand and nec head, going with 75 fcr is actually much better.

Not only do you get the extra skills from your wand, but you can also get a huge mana boost from Frostburns (or life/fhr from Bloodfists) and you aren't restricted to using a fcr belt (or ring).

SlyFox

02-02-2008, 01:10

7 max/20ed lvl 9 Jewel
1 Pally/20fcr/15energy/ Minor Mods I don't remember :/ lvl 30 Circlet

Zangeif

02-02-2008, 02:13

7 max/20ed lvl 9 Jewel
1 Pally/20fcr/15energy/ Minor Mods I don't remember :/ lvl 30 Circlet

Although not completely worthless, both are worth very little.

canudig

03-02-2008, 05:19

how about a 43 pdsc? lvl 13 req "septic small charm of blight"

dainbramage

03-02-2008, 06:15

Death's gloves make poison damage 100% worthless.

DayDream

03-02-2008, 06:17

13%ed
8 max damage
-another mod-
level 9 jewel
vllds use these right? can they socket it into weapons? or do they use something else for weapons?

Also have these,
8%ed
9max damage
2dext
15 fire resist
level 8 req jewel

dainbramage

03-02-2008, 06:23

Both are pretty nice weapon jewels for vlld's -> better than plain 9maxers, but not wtfgawdleh.

Pillz

03-02-2008, 06:24

Level 14 Req

20ed
+4 max
10 AR
30 cold res
1 light radius

Bloo Jool

crawlingdeadman

03-02-2008, 06:27

how about a 43 pdsc? lvl 13 req "septic small charm of blight"

collect 39 more of them then make a build no one has ever seen before... or at least not many have seen. but, no on the open market no one really wants psn dmg scs for lld.

canudig

03-02-2008, 06:50

doh....I thought it was noteworthy since it had a prefix and a suffix so it could maintain a low rlvl....would be interesting for a lvl 15 melee build though wouldn't it....Guess I'll stash for my inevitable LLD interest in the future

kmk-soldier

03-02-2008, 15:16

15ed
23ar
6life
7light res jewel

req lvl 9

any idea?

crawlingdeadman

03-02-2008, 19:34

15ed
23ar
6life
7light res jewel

req lvl 9

any idea?

very limited use. a kicker would use it most effectively, but personally i'd prefer something else.

kmk-soldier

04-02-2008, 12:02

very limited use. a kicker would use it most effectively, but personally i'd prefer something else.

Ok, thx for your quick response.
Guess ill just give it to charsi. :wink3:

Uncle_Mike

04-02-2008, 12:20

Ok, thx for your quick response.
Guess ill just give it to charsi. :wink3:

Use it for a godly craft :wink3:

jakotaco

04-02-2008, 12:27

I think it looks pretty solid for a kicksin, or possibly an ed-based jabber. Sure there might be better but I would keep it. If nothing else it can be used in for one of those super-low-budget Sigon kicksins.

Zangeif

04-02-2008, 21:14

15ed
23ar
6life
7light res jewel

req lvl 9

any idea?

It's better for a jabber than a kicker.

Nothing great, but it has its use.

stuslegend

05-02-2008, 23:00

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/stuslegend/Screenshot079.jpg

Duality

05-02-2008, 23:08

ConnorWfd

06-02-2008, 02:53

Just the thread I was looking for : ]

I'm ~East NL~ if it makes a difference

Hailstone Spur
Greaves
lvl 29 Req.
70 strng req.
13 Defense

30 FR/W
50% stamina regen
37 cold resist
34 lightning resist
18 MF.

Was referred to this thread from the Trade Value forum, so any help whether a LLD would value these boots is a big help. Thanks!

crawlingdeadman

06-02-2008, 03:44

oooo...... I'm liking this thread already..
Rare jewel
+7 Min/+6 Str/+6 Dex/17% Poison res (level 30)

Curious about this armor as well, I've had it for a while and no one seems interested, probably because it's FHR and not life and it's not a MP:
Artisan's Full Plate Mail of Stability:
152 Def
24% FHR
3 sockets

And while I'm at it ^_^
+2 Warcries/10% FCR/15 cold res/garbage mods (level 30)
+2 Warcries/64 life (level 30)

Are there L30 warcry barbs? If not, I might as well chuck these two....

I know nothing about LLD's, so I randomly save things that are level 30 reqs :tongue:
jewel is cool, but the min is low for the level. not sure what it'd be used for.

life plates are prefered and that one is too heavy to be useful even as a temporary.

warcry isnt a great skill for llders, but there are several of them kicking around. i wouldnt place too much value on those ammys though.
Just the thread I was looking for : ]

I'm ~East NL~ if it makes a difference

Hailstone Spur
Greaves
lvl 29 Req.
70 strng req.
13 Defense

30 FR/W
50% stamina regen
37 cold resist
34 lightning resist
18 MF.

Was referred to this thread from the Trade Value forum, so any help whether a LLD would value these boots is a big help. Thanks!

too heavy and not enough res (need three to be of use), so no

Zangeif

06-02-2008, 06:05

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/stuslegend/Screenshot079.jpg

Incredible pelt for europe if you're making a level 29.

However, for level 30 lld a plain 2/3 1 socket pelt is better.

dainbramage

06-02-2008, 11:59

Something I've been wondering about... 12max/11res all, level 26 jewel.

Nowhere near max (15/15), but it's an interesting combination, though I'm thinking the damage is too low for it to be tradeable.

crawlingdeadman

06-02-2008, 18:09

frums

07-02-2008, 20:28

large charm lvl 9 15life 6 mana
seemed pretty good to me ?

EquiLa

07-02-2008, 20:37

Trying to sell of some lld stuff atm and need a second opinion (some general pointers):

Mid druid circlet (http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=frwtiarasiu5.jpg) - Missing +1 shape but is it still pretty good?

Random stuff (http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lldstuffyv1.jpg) - Top stuff here would be necro circlet + light amu.
As for the rest of the amulets: I'm guessing 2x tree amy's / stats are the big ones here or what should you look for?

Thanks in advance
/Equila

crawlingdeadman

07-02-2008, 23:01

large charm lvl 9 15life 6 mana
seemed pretty good to me ?
yep, it's nice. 15 life larges are the standard of that level. mana and ar are both sought after.
Trying to sell of some lld stuff atm and need a second opinion (some general pointers):

Mid druid circlet (http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=frwtiarasiu5.jpg) - Missing +1 shape but is it still pretty good?

Random stuff (http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lldstuffyv1.jpg) - Top stuff here would be necro circlet + light amu.
As for the rest of the amulets: I'm guessing 2x tree amy's / stats are the big ones here or what should you look for?

Thanks in advance
/Equila

the shape shift one isnt good. it needs 2os and another shape skill to be useful and only then when you need the frw. a better hat is a 3os hat with +3 to whatever skills (fury, spirit, w/e).

the nec circlet, light ammy, and cold ammy are all decent if not terribly great.top things to look out for are fcr (necessary for some builds), mana, life, and stats. res isnt too hard to find elsewhere on an lld, so it's not a big deal to have a lot.

EquiLa

07-02-2008, 23:20

[...]
the nec circlet, light ammy, and cold ammy are all decent if not terribly great.top things to look out for are fcr (necessary for some builds), mana, life, and stats. res isnt too hard to find elsewhere on an lld, so it's not a big deal to have a lot.

Ye I had "hats" in mind when I checked the druid one. Read a guide some days ago with a lld fury druid type that had a similar statted circlet in his stash so I thought I might aswell try.

Thanks for helping out :)
/Equila

taiga

08-02-2008, 00:25

Bitter Eye
Ring
lvl req 26
10%FCR
17ar
15life
29%CR
27%FR
2DR

NewForumBloke

08-02-2008, 00:31

The ring is ok, nothing too great. Id rather have a 10 fcr with 80+ mana and manage the res else where. The life isnt bad though either. Id say its something to hold on to, but doubt it would get much in a auction/bid/trade imo.

Stocken

08-02-2008, 02:33

Items (http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/9405/lldvt1.jpg)

wounder if any of these are worth saving on ;)

crawlingdeadman

08-02-2008, 02:38

Items (http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/9405/lldvt1.jpg)

wounder if any of these are worth saving on ;)

the first two pieces of jewelry (lvl9) are worth using, but not really worth much trade value wise. the rest is trash.

edit: actually i'd trash the ring and use nagel instead too. so only the ammy, but only that as a temp.

AxlStrife

08-02-2008, 04:06

I have a few items for people to review. I'm hoping to get a JabberJaw up and running and I hope this will at least make half-decent starting gear.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/Annie_Ann/Diablo%20II%20Characters/LLDItems2.jpg

crawlingdeadman

08-02-2008, 06:20

AxlStrife

08-02-2008, 07:47

jab zon, just thought I'd try for a chuckle or two

EDIT: I keep forgetting most of the stuff talked about for vlld is non-ladder >.< guess I got a ways to go.

Duality

09-02-2008, 08:11

What's the max ED for level 18 on a weapon?
I found an Eth short spear (which I'm assuming is garbage, but what do I know?)
55% ED
65 AR
5 LL
9 fire res
replenishing
-20 reqs (22 str/22 dex currently)

Would up'ing it push the level req too high?

CNSABER

09-02-2008, 10:49

Shinies ^_^
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/5821/show1cz7.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/2109/show2zv9.jpg

Uncle_Mike

09-02-2008, 11:22

Shinies ^_^
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/5821/show1cz7.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/2109/show2zv9.jpg

Are you asking if these are any good or showing off? If the latter this is the thread for you ;) http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=416537

crawlingdeadman

09-02-2008, 20:32

Shinies ^_^
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/5821/show1cz7.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/2109/show2zv9.jpg

ha! failure on that non perfect viper with the 15 res jewel in it... nice try though :thumbsup:. also a couple of the high res items are 'meh' since you wont really need the res anyway.

Zangeif

09-02-2008, 23:35

Shinies ^_^
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/5821/show1cz7.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/2109/show2zv9.jpg

Are those base stats on the Exec sword or is it shaeled?

struikje

09-02-2008, 23:55

I doubt it since it's lvl 27. Nice exec indeed, yet it doesn't have -req or max %ed :)

CNSABER

10-02-2008, 02:52

the rune fang has no socket, shael would give it last break point right?

Zangeif

10-02-2008, 05:06

yeah it's very nice.

What server is it on?

CNSABER

10-02-2008, 06:30

the sword is uswest ladder

Buu

10-02-2008, 09:00

found some gloves on USEast ladder softcore. they any good for lld javazons?

2 java skills
10 ias
3 dex
10 fire res

lvl 30

dainbramage

10-02-2008, 13:07

Stats and res are pretty low, but they're certainly not bad.

taiga

11-02-2008, 23:30

This circlet:
Armagedonn circlet
+1 paladin combat
+32 life
+6 all res
2 dr
some% EG

Lvl 18 req

Nice?

Rynefire

12-02-2008, 09:19

Found these javs. I've never seen 4 to javs with this low req so I thought they might be worth something.

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l195/Rynefire/Trading/Screenshot003.jpg

crawlingdeadman

12-02-2008, 16:37

This circlet:
Armagedonn circlet
+1 paladin combat
+32 life
+6 all res
2 dr
some% EG

Lvl 18 req

Nice?
not really.
Found these javs. I've never seen 4 to javs with this low req so I thought they might be worth something.

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l195/Rynefire/Trading/Screenshot003.jpg

they're worth using till you find something better. 3jav with good other bonuses like replen and ias would be better. +4 w/ those even better.

Sass

13-02-2008, 09:18

Rare amulet

Chaos Heart
lvl: 27

1Nec Skils
10% FCR
14 Life
+5 Replenish Life
42 Mana
+6 Fire Res

Not sure, but any good?

DristOkelley

13-02-2008, 16:34

It is decent...however a 2/10 amulet with +mass mana and +mass life would be ideal and are most often used (my nec uses a 2/10/60 life ammy for i.e)

DristOkelley

13-02-2008, 16:35

Found these javs. I've never seen 4 to javs with this low req so I thought they might be worth something.

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l195/Rynefire/Trading/Screenshot003.jpg

A good weapon for a plaguezon as they do not need ias =)

crawlingdeadman

13-02-2008, 18:04

A good weapon for a plaguezon as they do not need ias =)

i disagree on the not needing ias. i often get interrupted when for instance a charger catches me mid throw. also you really need replenish w/ a psn zon.

Reticent Drappa

17-02-2008, 06:50

Lvl 8 required booties:
http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd83/Queqlen/D2%20lod%20LLD%20Items/?action=view&current=lldlvl8reqbooties.jpg
Lvl 9 req boots:
http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd83/Queqlen/D2%20lod%20LLD%20Items/?action=view&current=lvl9reqLLDboots.jpg
And a blood belt I crafted recently - lvl 29 req:
http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd83/Queqlen/D2%20lod%20LLD%20Items/?action=view&current=LLDlvl29reqcraftedbloodbelt.jpg

Been hoping to come across some nice throwing spears @lvl 9 req :smiley:

jakotaco

17-02-2008, 15:39

canudig

17-02-2008, 22:22

How about a jewel with req lvl 12?

10 all res
5 energy

Zangeif

18-02-2008, 00:35

Reticent Drappa

18-02-2008, 04:22

All 3 are worthless.

Wasn't this thread to see if something was viable to use for low level dueling?
I didn't think this was a price check.

King Of Cold

18-02-2008, 04:40

All 3 are worthless.

Also worthless.

The only thing those boots lack is a possible 3 dex, which I have never found in conjunction with 10 frw, 10 fhr, resists and ar.

They may not be worth 50 hrs in trade, but they can still be used by a vlld.

CoolDarkDragon

18-02-2008, 06:38

USWest SCL
this thing any good?
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b64/CoolDarkDragon/umyeah.jpg

Zangeif

18-02-2008, 09:05

By "worthless" I mean they have no use as LLD items. Consequently, they also have no value.

USWest SCL
this thing any good?
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b64/CoolDarkDragon/umyeah.jpg

This is an interesting armor, and it would be quite nice on an 18 fissure druid.

Reticent Drappa

18-02-2008, 09:41

Oh my, my mistake, let us not post any vlld item possibilites, lld only. Ooops.
I will be using those boots for my lvl 9.

Uncle_Mike

18-02-2008, 10:08

Oh my, my mistake, let us not post any vlld item possibilites, lld only. Ooops.
I will be using those boots for my lvl 9.

He said he considered them worthless, not that he won't comment because they are vlld items. He later explained that by worthless he meant they had no use in lld.

Perhaps you should add that you are only looking for positive feedback next time you post items?

Vlld as well as MLD items are welcome in this thread, it has LLD in title because people seemed to be primarily interested in LLD in the past months.

Reticent Drappa

18-02-2008, 11:12

He said he considered them worthless, not that he won't comment because they are vlld items. He later explained that by worthless he meant they had no use in lld.

Umm, I never said or implied that he wouldnt comment. Afterall he commented several times, which is a good thing.

Perhaps you should add that you are only looking for positive feedback next time you post items?
There really wouldn't be a point in my posting them in the first place if all I wanted was positive feedback.
The only way to improve is to hear the truth about the the items I find, he said they are worthless, and so my search continues.
Until I find better, she will wear the boots.

Vlld as well as MLD items are welcome in this thread, it has LLD in title because people seemed to be primarily interested in LLD in the past months.

I misunderstood thinking that he was under the assumption that the pictures I posted where for my lld characters (ie lvl 30 or possibly 18), as the thread says LLD, and that is the reason I said oops, my mistake, dont post vllds, this is for lld items..

Now that you have cleared that up, I can possibly post in the future several jewels I have been saving, to see if they would be worth using for vllding, or if rather I should use them to craft with. ; )

Uncle_Mike

18-02-2008, 11:23

Now that you have cleared that up, I can possibly post in the future several jewels I have been saving, to see if they would be worth using for vllding, or if rather I should use them to craft with. ; )

This is what the thread is for :wink3:

Bornaloserbaby

18-02-2008, 19:22

Sass

18-02-2008, 21:09

lvl 30 Req

Gale Stake Simbilan

10% IAS
96% ED
18 max dmg
+94 AR
81% Dmg to Undead
129 AR to Undead
6% life steal

Throw dmg: 52 - 116
1 hand dmg: 15 - 80

Good for a zon maybe?

crawlingdeadman

18-02-2008, 23:06

Image shack isnt working for me atm...

Rainbow dragon sheild of protecting

Def: 65
Req str: 91
Req lvl: 25
30% Faster block rate
20% Increased chance of blocking
8 Resist all

No sockets yet...and absolutley no idea if this is of any use...Just please let me know so I have 4 more spaces to mule all the crap I find :thumbsup:
nope, decent mods (low res though), but there are better base shields around.

lvl 30 Req

Gale Stake Simbilan

10% IAS
96% ED
18 max dmg
+94 AR
81% Dmg to Undead
129 AR to Undead
6% life steal

Throw dmg: 52 - 116
1 hand dmg: 15 - 80

Good for a zon maybe?
nah, once again the mods arent all terrible, but the base item makes it crap. too slow and too high req wise.

Zangeif

18-02-2008, 23:06

Rainbow dragon sheild of deflecting

Def: 65
Req str: 91
Req lvl: 25
30% Faster block rate
20% Increased chance of blocking
8 Resist all

This one is worthless, sorry.

Gale Stake Simbilan

10% IAS
96% ED
18 max dmg
+94 AR
81% Dmg to Undead
129 AR to Undead
6% life steal

Throw dmg: 52 - 116
1 hand dmg: 15 - 80

Decent throw barb weapon, but it's no good for a zon. It definately has a use but it's not great.

Bornaloserbaby

20-02-2008, 06:07

2 LLD FCR rings

Chaos Grip
10%FCR
54AR
7STR
15MANA
FIRE RES 14
REQ LEV 30

THIS one is my fav....

Corruption Band ring
10%FCR
2Dex
60Mana
Cold resi28
Fire resi11
REQ LVL 22

Just gambled them today...Is their a big market for LLD FCR rings?...these seem pretty good for the level

canudig

20-02-2008, 07:13

I found a lvl 9 required jewel....12 to max damage....it's a keeper right? Has the prefix and suffix (Carbuncle jewel of something I think)

DiabloLikesMMA

20-02-2008, 08:11

How do you get a Azurewrath: Dim Blade?

no pic's but I have a pelt w/
1 elemental
3 tornado
2 hurricane
2 sockets w/ 2.p skulls

not a bad one.

dainbramage

20-02-2008, 09:07

Helm isn't a bad starter, but ultimately you'd want a 5 nado/hurricane/oak hat.

Azurewrath dim blade is made by upping an '08 or '09 azurewrath crystal sword.

Jewel is nice, 9 max is 'standard' at level 9. Definitely a keeper.

crawlingdeadman

20-02-2008, 17:58

2 LLD FCR rings

Chaos Grip
10%FCR
54AR
7STR
15MANA
FIRE RES 14
REQ LEV 30

tosser.

THIS one is my fav....

Corruption Band ring
10%FCR
2Dex
60Mana
Cold resi28
Fire resi11
REQ LVL 22

Just gambled them today...Is their a big market for LLD FCR rings?...these seem pretty good for the level

it's alright. good stash item in case you wanna stack cold res (shouldnt need to), but the mana could be higher.

Bornaloserbaby

20-02-2008, 18:02

tosser.
.
hahah this means something else in the UK..

Thanks for the heads up crawling!

NewForumBloke

20-02-2008, 21:06

I found a lvl 9 required jewel....12 to max damage....it's a keeper right? Has the prefix and suffix (Carbuncle jewel of something I think)

Yes, that is a VERY nice jewel and is worth a bit. IIRC 14 is the max at 9 so being 2 off, you have quite the little treasure there.

How do you get a Azurewrath: Dim Blade?

no pic's but I have a pelt w/
1 elemental
3 tornado
2 hurricane
2 sockets w/ 2.p skulls

not a bad one.

Just like you said, not a bad pelt at all. I take it its a magical pelt and not a rare? Its still a pretty darn good find until you get your hands on a 2 ele/3 nado/xxx 2 sock helm lol.

-BLoke :smug:

Zangeif

21-02-2008, 00:41

I found a lvl 9 required jewel....12 to max damage....it's a keeper right? Has the prefix and suffix (Carbuncle jewel of something I think)

It's not really THAT good to be honest. You could definately trade it, but most VLLDers are serious, and even 14 max jewels aren't good enough for them.

I know I would never use a plain 14 max, I would need a good 3rd or 4th affix as well.

Dodgydave

21-02-2008, 03:53

Found a rare Jareds Stone lvl 30 req.

+2 cold skills/+2blizz/+1CM plus 29 (?) mana and some unimportant cold damage.

Any use? Are there even lvl30 Blizz Sorcs?

crawlingdeadman

21-02-2008, 04:43

there are lvl 30 blizzers, but much like everything it needs to be really good to not use a spirit sword. that one falls short imo.

Dodgydave

21-02-2008, 04:56

there are lvl 30 blizzers, but much like everything it needs to be really good to not use a spirit sword. that one falls short imo.

Heh, forgot all about Spirit (I play SP no RWM) so not something I normally consider. Like to keep my eye out for usefull LLD items if I ever feel like building something.

NewForumBloke

21-02-2008, 07:10

If it had 20 fcr and 2 sockets with some mana it wouldn't be too bad, but most LLD blizzers that use a orb over spirit have something like:

2 Cold
3 Blizz
20 fcr
30+ mana
2 sockets

at the very least, ideally if it also have +1 tele and some res it would be one heck of an orb. Its fun to play the 'what if an item spawned with what' game, but in reality the chances of such weapons spawning are rare and very hard to get hold of.

Huplet

22-02-2008, 03:18

A VLLD Jewel:

Level Req: 8
Adds 2-6 Damage
11 Dmg Taken Goes to Mana
8% Enhanced Damage

What do you think? Is it good?

crawlingdeadman

22-02-2008, 04:05

A VLLD Jewel:

Level Req: 8
Adds 2-6 Damage
11 Dmg Taken Goes to Mana
8% Enhanced Damage

What do you think? Is it good?

it's got all useful mods, but in too small a quality to be "good." it's useable, but not tradeable.

GreatZeal

22-02-2008, 04:28

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/9875/lldarmor1zz4.jpg

any good?

crawlingdeadman

22-02-2008, 04:52

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/9875/lldarmor1zz4.jpg

any good?

nope .

GreatZeal

22-02-2008, 05:18

Heh I was told it was.

crawlingdeadman

22-02-2008, 08:32

yeah but i agree with what was said in the rare showoff thread. the only time i'd not use twitch, i'd rather use a 3os armor with more life than yours. someone may go with one less socket and get a high def/life armor, but yours is still low def and life. personally i'd not use it and cant think of a use for it, but i've been wrong before.

NewForumBloke

22-02-2008, 20:57

If it had 24 fhr, higher res, and maybe a stat it'd be somewhat useable. It would have to go on a fury though since it has practically zero def. Like cdm said, most rare armors for LLD tend to be huge def eth rep armors for conc babas, zealots, chargers, etc.

Reticent Drappa

24-02-2008, 15:31

jakotaco

24-02-2008, 16:04

Two jewels I found recently:

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd83/Queqlen/D2%20lod%20LLD%20Items/bittergyrejewellvl9req.jpg

I assume this one is not worth using, however... how much 'added dmg' would be possible @ lvl 9? hmm..
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd83/Queqlen/D2%20lod%20LLD%20Items/lvl8jew-adds3-9dmg-cut.jpg

both are way better than the standard +9 maxer. So of course they are worth using or trading.

maximum would be a rare with 8-14 (if i remember correctly) and I am not even sure if they ever dropped...

crawlingdeadman

24-02-2008, 16:04

they're both worth using and fairly tradable too. i believe the "best" min-max damage possible is 4-14, though it could be 8-14.

edit: beat out by jakotaco.

Reticent Drappa

24-02-2008, 16:52

Looks like my lvl 9 will have a few jewels to get her started off ; )

Zangeif

24-02-2008, 23:42

they're both worth using and fairly tradable too. i believe the "best" min-max damage possible is 4-14, though it could be 8-14.

edit: beat out by jakotaco.

Yes 8-14 is the best possible.

McClay

26-02-2008, 01:15

hey I found this im im not to sure if its good for a lld or not.
gimme some feedback :)

-if image fails its Goreshovel broad axe

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/3036/screenshot027mv7.th.jpg

thanks

NewForumBloke

26-02-2008, 01:21

Well the image is super tiny, but the only thing from knowing its a broad axe that could possibly ever make use from it would be a Charger and they have some pretty mean weapons already.

Could you get it in a bigger size so we could get a better look at it?

-BLoke :smug:

crawlingdeadman

26-02-2008, 01:47

it's a unique and crap. also there's a thread for these kinda questions. right here. (http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=629247)

Buu

26-02-2008, 08:14

trap lld ammys
#1
1 traps
10 fcr
4 dex
10 energy

lvl: 15

NewForumBloke

26-02-2008, 10:41

I think that might work on a lvl 18 trapper (pretty sure they exist). Its not great, but it wouldnt be bad for one.

Kretos

26-02-2008, 12:12

Would this item be worthy of a good lld?

Lvl 30 rare circlet

2 pally offensive skills
20 frw
20 fhr
3 minimum damage

crawlingdeadman

26-02-2008, 18:12

Would this item be worthy of a good lld?

Lvl 30 rare circlet

2 pally offensive skills
20 frw
20 fhr
3 minimum damage

nope. it's a long way off from the coolness you get from peasant crown.

Reticent Drappa

27-02-2008, 02:10

Hmm I shopped this shield today,

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd83/Queqlen/magicaltowershieldcut.jpg

Is it possible to get 3 sockets on this?
I don't think it is but..
Perhaps if I put some -req jewels it wouldn't be too bad for a vlld..

LanceD

27-02-2008, 02:27

I kept these two gcs because I thought they might be good. But I'm not really into LLDing so Im not 100% sure.

lvl 23 9max/51ar/24life
lvl 21 10max/52ar/20life

Zangeif

27-02-2008, 03:24

The Tower Shield is worthless.

The 2 GCs are both decent.

Occulus cant be ethereal

28-02-2008, 02:45

lvl 9 16ed jewel...but i think they can spawn up to 20ed with a second mod with lvl9 req

Dodgydave

28-02-2008, 05:17

lvl 9 16ed jewel...but i think they can spawn up to 20ed with a second mod with lvl9 req

You can get up to 20ed and 9max on a lvl 9 jewel so yours doesn't quite stack up.

Occulus cant be ethereal

28-02-2008, 05:21

ty....i tossed it long ago....i forgot 20ed doesnt add up to a whole lot in vlld

NewForumBloke

28-02-2008, 06:36

War Scepter
lvl 30
2 Salvation
2 Fanta
30 Ias
3 os

Any good for a smiter? Thats the only thing i could think of that could use it anyways...

-BLoke :smug:

Zangeif

28-02-2008, 07:38

Unfortunately a 5os +3 Fanat scepter can have 40IAS after 2 Shaels.

This weapon has no use.

If only you had a +2 pcomb prefix instead of artisans it would be worth a ton (if it got 2os from Larzuk)

NewForumBloke

28-02-2008, 08:40

man... what a bummer. Thought about the whole +2 combat, but wasnt sure. Hoped that the 30 ias wouldnt be a bad saver of sockets. Heh, guess i pretty much have a +2 fanta scepter with 1 1/2 sheals then huh?

canudig

28-02-2008, 17:57

Rare Boots
rlvl 28

10% chance to cast lvl 5 nova when hit
20 frw
10 fhr
20 cold res
23 light res

not great I know.....but just wondering if the frw/fhr with the res would make it more than Charsi food? thanks

frums

29-02-2008, 13:41

lvl 8 jewel:
adds 4-9damage
-15 req

seems pretty nice to me ?

crawlingdeadman

29-02-2008, 17:55

that's one that you'll get people asking you what realm you're on and whether you're on ladder or non.

it's really really good. what realm, L/NL? :grin:

frums

29-02-2008, 20:48

europe non ladder ;)

Huplet

01-03-2008, 10:07

Frums, nice jewel.

What about this?

Lvl 9
Adds 2-6 Damage
12% Damage taken goes to mana

jakotaco

01-03-2008, 13:06

Frums, nice jewel.

What about this?

Lvl 9
Adds 2-6 Damage
12% Damage taken goes to mana

pretty similar to a +9 maxer. bit lower dmg but some dtm% which is a good add. not overly valueable.

frums

01-03-2008, 14:23

just shopped this armor:
artisans light plate of the squid:
lvl 30
3sockets
+61life
101def

decent? or too low life ? (or 1 too many ? :o )

CoyoteKid

01-03-2008, 18:12

I am fairly new in the vll dueling/pk arena and love this thread for learning purposes.

For a lvl 12 charger/zealer or any char. for that matter are these good:

Superior Ancient Armor
Def: 264
+13% Enhanced Def.
Str Req: 100
4 Socs

Rondache
Lvl 6
Def:12
Str. Req: 26
+37 Resistance
4 Socs

Shivering Grand Charm Of Lightning
Lvl: 11
1-6 Lightning Dmg
3-8 Cold Dmg

Thanks in advance...

jakotaco

01-03-2008, 19:56

the armor is a decent base armor. the shield is too low and resists are not that important at this level (except against all those newbies that brings a high level pvm sorc into the game) the charm is rendered close to useless because of the MDR bug. (search statistics forum for mor info)

Zangeif

01-03-2008, 23:59

just shopped this armor:
artisans light plate of the squid:
lvl 30
3sockets
+61life
101def

decent? or too low life ? (or 1 too many ? :o )

Not bad. The life is a little low, but it does have some value.

Ang yeah, for 29 dueling it has 1 life too much.

Hcorp

02-03-2008, 03:25

Hi, I was curious as to whether this is a decent throwing weapon for a level 19 pk/dueler. Reckon they'll work?

Edit: Forgot the damn link.

http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot003lt0.jpg

Zangeif

02-03-2008, 04:06

Nah, here is the spear my level 9 uses.

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m55/bbbbzzzz/4.jpg

A level 19 spear could get much better. Also, you won't find many duels if you go to 19.

Hcorp

02-03-2008, 07:48

Nah, here is the spear my level 9 uses.

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m55/bbbbzzzz/4.jpg

A level 19 spear could get much better. Also, you won't find many duels if you go to 19.

Jesus christ. Okay, back to the drawing board. Thanks.

Edit: My char is currently only level 12. Do you suggest I stay at 18? Oh, and how good is Twitchthroe for a double-throw barb? Should I put a max damage jewel in it? Sorry, I'm completely new to pvp. Never explored this aspect of the game previously.

teacher

02-03-2008, 14:42

Hi all.
Found a large charm with 51 pois dam/7 sec lvl 9. Is this usefull for a LLd?
Its Europe ladder btw.

Jiteye

02-03-2008, 19:15

Jesus christ. Okay, back to the drawing board.
I feel the same way, I'm building one as well and thought what I had was good, realize it isn't.

Do you suggest I stay at 18?

Yes stay at 18

Oh, and how good is Twitchthroe for a double-throw barb?
Twitchthroe is the bomb, I don't believe there is much better, if there is it'll cost you and arm and a leg or take forever to get it. And yes put a max jewel in it.

Zangeif

02-03-2008, 20:21

Hi all.
Found a large charm with 51 pois dam/7 sec lvl 9. Is this usefull for a LLd?
Its Europe ladder btw.

It has some use and it's the highest damage you can get on a level 9 LC.

A 15 lifer is better, but some people use these for fun in pubs.

mokujon

02-03-2008, 20:29

wow thats a nice lv 9 spear

Something Profound

03-03-2008, 00:37

Hmm...haven't read through the entire thread, but I'll toss this guy out there...

+9 max/+56 ar/22 Life GC, lvl 23

Useful?

Zangeif

03-03-2008, 00:59

It's useful, but not great.

I'm sure many people would use it if they can't afford better.

WhateverSorc

03-03-2008, 02:53

Hi guys, should I feed this to Charsi?

Fiend Grip
Heavy Glove
LVL 30; Def 5; +2 to Martial Arts; 3ML/3LL; +5 Dex; +25% Poison Resist

NewForumBloke

03-03-2008, 04:07

only reason for a martial art glove would be for it to have at least 10 ias and some stats, i dont think that glove is going to cut it imo.

Zangeif

03-03-2008, 05:18

agreed .

scoobs

03-03-2008, 14:07

This sword any use?
Rare Battle Sword
35-74 dmg
5% CtC lvl1 Amp Dmg on Striking
20% IAS
120% ED
168 AR
Knockback

NewForumBloke

03-03-2008, 15:46

With a sheal, and the right gear, you can get a 4 frame zeal on that, which would be able to trigger that amp. Id say it isnt bad, the dmg would have to be increased by charms, and possibly Peace (if its allowed) but it definately could have potential.

mainaman

03-03-2008, 17:20

crawlingdeadman

03-03-2008, 17:54

here is my lld ft list in a pic, any can tell me what is worth keeping and what should I charsi?
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i95/mainaman/lld.jpg
Can anyone tell me what are the viable lld builds on east, so I know which items should I keep and which should I trash, ty

keep the armageddon veil hunter's guise and the skull emblem amulet. everything else is either complete trash or not really worth trading (the 14 maxer is a give away type of thing). the hunter's guise is probably not that great, but get a 2nd opinion.

NewForumBloke

03-03-2008, 20:36

Skull amulet is definately a keeper. The Veil Guise is a 'ok' temp, but i doubt it is worth anything. Like CDM said, the maxer isnt worth much (a few pgems at best). Rest imo is too low +skills or not enough stats to get anything out of it.

Zangeif

03-03-2008, 23:32

Bitter heart jewel is a keeper too.

Not worth much, but it's kind of cool.

LanceD

04-03-2008, 02:04

Just found this pally circlet. Should I trash it or keep it?

lvl 30
51 def
+2 Combat skills
10% faster cast rate
+15 mana
15% magic find

Zangeif

04-03-2008, 03:14

It's very close between useless and almost useless.

You might want to keep it, but it's really easy to find a better one.

AxlStrife

04-03-2008, 07:34

Are there any lvl 12 throw barbs around? If so is this a decent helm?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/Annie_Ann/Diablo%20II%20Characters/Screenshot002.jpg

NewForumBloke

04-03-2008, 08:29

It MIGHT be ok with a good lvl 18 Jewel in it, but i think a 45+maxer will prolly beat this helm. If it had 2 sockets it would be one heck of a cool helm, but w/o it im not completely sure...

Skullbash

04-03-2008, 09:27

14%ED 12Max damage lvl 18 req jewel

Worth anything?

NewForumBloke

04-03-2008, 10:12

At most? A few pgems imo. Specially since max is 20ed/15 max dmg for those jewels.

dainbramage

04-03-2008, 10:13

LanceD - p crown > that circlet.

Sass

05-03-2008, 08:27

lvl27 Req

Grim Shield

30% Faster Blocking Rate
20% Increased Chance of Blocking
+85% Defense
+13 All Res
Damage Reduce by 2
-20% Req

Any good? or in a few lvls will it be out shined by Rhyme :P

Zangeif

05-03-2008, 16:53

Not really.

While it's alright for a conc barb, a plain holy grim of deflecting with 2os from Larzuk is better.

mainaman

06-03-2008, 06:31

just crafted a lld ow belt, I don't know if these are even used or there are better options, but I'd appreciate if someone can tell me if its worth trading it
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i95/mainaman/belt.jpg

NewForumBloke

06-03-2008, 07:25

I doubt its worth trading, and really OW's doesnt do that much in lld pvp, if it had higher life and maybe higher stats it'd be rather nice. Its not bad, but i dont know if i would personally use it.

WhateverSorc

07-03-2008, 00:14

Just found this one: Carmine Jewel of Carnage

+21 Max Damage (3 from perfect), LVL 27

NewForumBloke

07-03-2008, 00:37

very nice, worth a bit (not a ton) but a bit. Good find man :thumbsup:

Sass

07-03-2008, 18:12

14 Max Dmg is the most for a lvl 9 right?

What about just 9 max for a jewel?

crawlingdeadman

07-03-2008, 19:17

that's the "base" of what's useable. 9 and up are good, 8 and lower need godly mods to be worth a crap.

mainaman

08-03-2008, 01:28

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i95/mainaman/barbhelm-1.jpg
I take it this is gg for lld barb, I mean is war cry mods preffered to say ww or combat mods?

crawlingdeadman

08-03-2008, 02:43

nope, prebuff only. prefered hats for ww barbs include +ww skill as it will save you a ton of skills for the prereqs (ww barbs try to avoid putting hard points into it at 30).

still really nice for prebuff.

CoyoteKid

08-03-2008, 17:11

Heraldic shield
def. 24
Req: lvl 12
+14 ED
+17 AR
3 socs (what to put in soc.here?)

I am a newb vlld and trying to find stuff I can use for a lvl 12 zealer/charger.
I have read some builds so I have the general idea. now just need your expert opinions.

thanks in advance

ps can you recommend a good lvl pally shield witrh some stats I should look for?

crawlingdeadman

08-03-2008, 17:56

not even close. what you're looking for is 4os and either 45 res or 60+% ed and 110+ar

CoyoteKid

08-03-2008, 21:00

not even close. what you're looking for is 4os and either 45 res or 60+% ed and 110+ar

wow!! thanks for response.
didnt think shields like that existed at level 12.

crawlingdeadman

08-03-2008, 22:09

they do indeed. they actually exist at lvl 3(targe) and 9 (rondache) as well.

Reticent Drappa

09-03-2008, 10:59

hmm found this today during a nm rush,
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd83/Queqlen/D2%20lod%20LLD%20Items/lvl29castring-cropped.jpg

and this i've had for a while,
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd83/Queqlen/D2%20lod%20LLD%20Items/magiccastmanaring-cropped.jpg

crawlingdeadman

09-03-2008, 20:10

both are cool if you're not going to use sojs.

NewForumBloke

09-03-2008, 23:48

Wow, i love that rare for sure! The rep on it along with that mana are just juicy lol. The magic one isnt bad either, and could make a very good temp until either you can get a better rare fcr ring, or a soj as Cdm stated.

eseven

10-03-2008, 01:05

Amulet
Lvl 30 Req
+2 to light skills
10% FCR
8 to energy
+55 life
+57 mana

I'm using this on my 93 sorc at the moment (lol), but thought it might be ok for LLD. Anyone know if light sorcs are viable in LLD? If they are, would this be a decent ammy for one to use?

crawlingdeadman

10-03-2008, 01:32

they are, though not as common as fireball or blizz...and yes that is one freaking good ammy.

NewForumBloke

10-03-2008, 04:22

That is DEFINATELY a well worth while ammy to use on a lld light sorc. Now if you can find a circ with similar mods (20 fcr of course) you will pretty much be set for a lld lite sorc. Good find!

eseven

10-03-2008, 05:12

thanks for the input guys, I guess I might have to look into investing for LLD :)

Ax2Grind

10-03-2008, 22:07

This is as close to the second thread I was looking for. Surprised it's not stickied, but here goes something I just found (expect this to get used by me a lot soon):

Deadly Blade Talons of Maiming (24, 4, Ethereal) - 18-30 damage at RLvl5 without sockets

Just looking to free up some immediate space since I found it in a nightmare game and want to keep playing.

mystified

11-03-2008, 03:54

few things
rare jewel : 9 max, +1 dex, -15 req (Lv9)
rare amu: 2 trap, 10fcr, 3ll, 6str, 3 @, 39 fire res (lv30)

first one I already assumed not much more than plain 9 maxers, but I'd like some opinion on second one. seems...dunno ok ish to me but no idea on value wise

Ax2Grind

11-03-2008, 04:25

I disagree with the jewel assumption. Armors jewels with -req and damage are highly prized to reduce the need for strength, and one dexterity is one more point into vitality. That's a nice jewel.

Mind Blast/Trapper (I don't know the build name) would benefit from that amulet. Don't think life stealing is useful even at CLvl30, and blastrappers can't use it at all. Not a melee amulet, but decent nonetheless.

NewForumBloke

11-03-2008, 09:32

That jewel is VERY good, and like Grind said, with the stats a lvl 9 would save with that jewel a great. I already envision putting that into a nice piece of armor lol.

The ammy i would say is a good temp until you can find one with mana/life, but until then it wouldnt be terrible. Just imo not worth much on the market unless someone is looking for a 2 traps/10 fcr ammy.

EquiLa

11-03-2008, 12:14

Ok, some of my latest finds. Guess most of it lacks the last punch or 1 stat that makes it worthwhile but I want a second opinion.

Image (http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lldeg8.jpg)

Can +1 skill tree spawn on level 18 amulets or what would Dread Gorget lack besides some stats/higher mana?

NewForumBloke

11-03-2008, 14:03

Dread Gorget- Very nice starter ammy, 18's can only spawn with like +1 to combat or +1 to cold/fire so if it had either of those it would have been rather nice.

Doom Clasp- might be ok, but it lacks ar, dtm, and any dmg.

Imp Buckle- is rather nice, almost perf life, perf fhr, mild ok res, if it had str or dex on it, it would be worth a bit, its not bad thats for sure.

The jewel might be worth something, but im not sure, im not that well inclined to the values of vlld items.

Same with the charms, i have no idea the value, but i doubt it would be much.

Rest of the items dont really stand out to me, the sheild is alright, but at that lvl most prefer dmg/ar over res.

Ax2Grind

11-03-2008, 19:17

The stat amulet isn't going anywhere and military picks can get +15%, so those two I'd say aren't keepers. The rest may be on varying degrees: the jewel is nice, the belts are decent, the charms can be usable. As for PvP worthiness it's best if you wait for more opinions.

crawlingdeadman

11-03-2008, 20:35

EquiLa

11-03-2008, 22:25

Thanks for the "reviews" :thumbsup:

bah, you guys dont know vlld. that ammy is great. sure it could have dtm, but the amount of ar you can get on an ammy is low anyway. damage to mana, half freeze, and ar can be gotten elsewhere. 5/5 cant be on rings any more.

+1 tree can be level 15.

Out of curiousity, what would be perfect stats for a lvl 9 max ring? 4/4?

Is ED rounded up or down? Out of my head 12-13+ should show up on the pick if it's rounded up.

Same with the charms, i have no idea the value, but i doubt it would be much.

I doubt you can get that much at all on EuSCL for the lld stuff. Probably not the best market out there :)
Guess you should just mule it and hope for someone to request instead of putting it up.

crawlingdeadman

11-03-2008, 23:40

i think post 1.10 it's 2/2 though i could be mistaken.

Ax2Grind

12-03-2008, 01:29

CoyoteKid

12-03-2008, 02:26

I just found these two vlld items today:

White Heraldic Shield (will I get 4 socs?)
Def: 23
Lvl: 12
All resists: + 43
Is it anything special?
What pally benefits most with this (charger, smiter?).

4 Soc War Scepter
Lvl: 12
+2 Charge
+1 Zeal
+50% Undead
What do you think about this?

I am new at vlld so bare with me plz.

EquiLa

12-03-2008, 02:31

Now, I'm well aware of the advantage of stats on amulets, as the posts I made above that show. 5+5 is great on any amulet, but by itself isn't enough to get me to wear it at CLvl9. As for the picks, the minimum damage only goes up at 15% or higher, but you're forgetting that Jewels of Wrath can come with Cinnabar and Rusty prefixes, so the extra percentage can make a difference in maximum damage with even the lowest a jewel can give: 5%. Every little bit counts, as you know.

Yes I'm well aware of this. I was simply wondering how much ed mine could have or if it was at all possible to get one which says 15ed since the base damage is so low. (Which explains my latter question about integer rounding)

crawlingdeadman

12-03-2008, 02:35

Ax2Grind

12-03-2008, 02:56

CoyoteKid: both items being RLvl12 will most likely be used at 18, since 12/15 dueling is rare. Given that, auric shields can all get 4oS max, but it depends on who dropped it, I believe. Getting +43%ARes, though, makes me think the monster was high enough to give it four, anyway, yet offensive aurics are preferred since resistances can be had elsewhere. The scepter is a bit low for my tastes, but it depends on if the monster that dropped it was high enough to get it 5oS. If not, I say no outright.

Equila: every superior weapon in the game can get enhanced damage, the problem is when the amount, maxed at 15%, doesn't increase damage in any way. Clearly it has to at least increase maximum, so weapons in which even 15% doesn't increase that always have theirs converted to +1Max. A military pick isn't one of them, and as far as I know the only ones which always convert %Dam to +Max have six or less maximums. Clubs, daggers, eagle orbs, hand axes, scimitars, short bows, short staves, wands, and possibly javelins and throwing knives all have superiors converted. Military picks must spawn with +10% or higher to avoid the conversion, this is how I understand and remember it from the Statistics section.

Ax2Grind

12-03-2008, 09:35

Footnote to the above statement: this doesn't include if the item is ethereal, of which only daggers and short bows, and possibly throwing knives, would still be unable to get %Dam.

Wondering about this auric shield. I know there's a limit on ARes when it comes to rares, as staffmods don't count against the RLvl when spawning on a mundane, but I wondered if this was good enough:

Blood Shell
Targe
Defense: 15
Durability: 20 of 20
(Paladin Only)
Required Strength: 16
Required Level: 9
+10% Faster Hit Recovery
+30% Faster Block Rate
+20% Increased Chance of Blocking
+16% Enhanced Defense
+2 to Strength
Cold Resist +7%
Lightning Resist +7%
Fire Resist +7%
Poison Resist +25%
Socketed (2)

Also, is it safe to say any original or exceptional superior weapon capable of getting six sockets is a possible dueling weapon, or are things like polearms and spears just not wanted even for mercenary duels? I found a 15/2 long war bow in nightmare act three, which probably means it'll get six since it didn't drop with sockets, and figured I'd ask.

crawlingdeadman

12-03-2008, 16:05

no rare will ever beat a plain 4os pallly shield. be it 45 res or 60+/110+

edit: unless it's a spiked shield for a smiter. or for another class entirely.

Ax2Grind

12-03-2008, 17:46

Well, rats. Thought the blocking and hit recovery by themselves were worth two sockets, but not even the free strength and defense/resistance help? What about those superiors?

Zangeif

12-03-2008, 20:21

bah, you guys dont know vlld. that ammy is great. sure it could have dtm, but the amount of ar you can get on an ammy is low anyway. damage to mana, half freeze, and ar can be gotten elsewhere. 5/5 cant be on rings any more.

+1 tree can be level 15.

Agreed, the amulet is very good for vlld.

Out of curiousity, what would be perfect stats for a lvl 9 max ring? 4/4?

2/2 for 1.09+ rings
5/5 for 1.08 rings

A good rule of thumb is to try to get your stats on an amulet and get your AR on your rings (amulets can get higher stats, rings can get much higher AR). Try to get rep life on both.

Is ED rounded up or down?

Rounded down.

Out of my head 12-13+ should show up on the pick if it's rounded up.

Well you need to remember that the inherrent %ED on a weapon will be combined with any %ED on jewels. It's impossible to determine whether or not extra %ED will move you up in damage unless you know all of the jewels you will use as well as the base %ED on your weapon.

Ax2Grind

12-03-2008, 22:29

Well you need to remember that the inherrent %ED on a weapon will be combined with any %ED on jewels. It's impossible to determine whether or not extra %ED will move you up in damage unless you know all of the jewels you will use as well as the base %ED on your weapon.
For 7-11 damage:

+10% = +1Max (7.7-12.1)
+15% = +1Min (8.05-12.65)
+19% = +2Max (8.33-13.09)
+28% = +3Max (8.96-14.08)
+29% = +2Min (9.03-14.19)
+37% = +4Max (9.59-15.07)
+43% = +3Min (10.01-15.73)
+46% = +5Max (10.22-16.06)

This should give you an idea, you can finish off the rest with a calculator and experimentation.

money

12-03-2008, 22:42

Rare Jewel
Level 9
20%ed
+4min
+19 attack rating

edit: looking at what ax2 posted, doesn't seem like this gets close to the 9 max dmg jewels at all hmm

Ax2Grind

12-03-2008, 22:56

When added together, you'd be surprised. That jewel isn't bad, but I was going for the magical ED/Max combinations to prove that, eventually, the ED adds up.

I'm going to go through the motions and complete the ED chart up to 135% and add it to the item guide from Jako. True, the numbers roll over at 100, but it's so pretty looking at the +9-14 equivalent damage from maximum RLvl9 %. It's better than an extra Scarlet/Carbuncle Rare Jewel of Joyfulness/Wrath!

Zangeif

13-03-2008, 01:23

Rare Jewel
Level 9
20%ed
+4min
+19 attack rating

edit: looking at what ax2 posted, doesn't seem like this gets close to the 9 max dmg jewels at all hmm

Nice jewel for a jabber's ED piece

WhateverSorc

13-03-2008, 09:37

I also have a question about whether this jewel is good for vlld

zircon jewel of wrath
level 8
+9 Max dmg
+10 mana

thanks.

dainbramage

13-03-2008, 10:54

For the record, sup. javelins and throwing knives won't have their ed converted to +1 max if the ed benefits the throw damage.

money: I'd stick that in a weapon. The min damage screws with ed off-wep (the ed will only apply to max dam). It's quite a nice jewel, esp if you're building around min damage.

Whatever: Not bad, not brilliant.

EquiLa

13-03-2008, 19:39

2/2 for 1.09+ rings
5/5 for 1.08 rings

A good rule of thumb is to try to get your stats on an amulet and get your AR on your rings (amulets can get higher stats, rings can get much higher AR). Try to get rep life on both.

Great, thanks for clearing it out.

Rounded down.

Well you need to remember that the inherrent %ED on a weapon will be combined with any %ED on jewels. It's impossible to determine whether or not extra %ED will move you up in damage unless you know all of the jewels you will use as well as the base %ED on your weapon.

Getting close to my original question that I guess was in some way missed or missunderstood:

I was simply wondering if it was at all possible to see/get a +15ed Military Pick since the damage isn't high enough to make it show. It will always show +1 Max since the ED is not enough to bring it up to +2 and higher and showing +15 ed instead.

Ax2Grind

14-03-2008, 06:27

As long as the %Dam on a weapon affects the damage in some way (meaning at least +1Max, since that'll always change first) then it's not converted, as there'd be no need. Since the %Dam can be high enough to raise the minimum at 15, getting +2Max isn't relevent.

ekarisor

14-03-2008, 07:09

Just found this nifty little jewel while rushing through nightmare

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3206/joolyk7.jpg

Is this one max damage off perfect?

Thanks!

razen

14-03-2008, 08:30

Found this rare today!

I have a feeling it might be good if not great. But not sure, so here goes...

Rune Brow
Antler
Req Lv 30
2 to shapeshift
2 to fury
1 to hurrican
10% faster hit recovery
4 to mana
3 to life
27% cold resist

(and of course, can always consider 1 socket after larzuk)

so, any value?

Huplet

14-03-2008, 09:01

Just found this nifty little jewel while rushing through nightmare

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3206/joolyk7.jpg

Is this one max damage off perfect?

Thanks!

I think it's okay, but it doesn't compare to a jewel with prefix and suffix devoted to damage, as 20ED is not significant in LLD.

dainbramage

14-03-2008, 11:59

Just found this nifty little jewel while rushing through nightmare

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3206/joolyk7.jpg

Is this one max damage off perfect?

Thanks!

The perfect magic jewel would be 20ed/9 max. A rare can theoretically have 20ed/8-14 damage.

The jewel's not bad, adds more damage than a plain 9 maxer, but not exceptional. It'd be equivalent to ~1-10 damage in a weapon.

mythos

14-03-2008, 14:31

Is this any good to a lvl 30 windy

+2 ele
+2 nado
10 fhr
26 cold res

or would a 2ele 20fcr 30 frw make this useless?

Zangeif

14-03-2008, 15:52

The perfect magic jewel would be 20ed/9 max. A rare can theoretically have 20ed/8-14 damage.

The jewel's not bad, adds more damage than a plain 9 maxer, but not exceptional. It'd be equivalent to ~1-10 damage in a weapon.

14 max is the best magic jewel

8-14 is the best rare jewel (20ED would be a 5th mod)

The 8/20ED jewel is ok but not great.

The Fury pelt is useless.

The Ele pelt is ok but not great.

razen

14-03-2008, 17:21

The Fury pelt is useless.

wait why? explanation please. hard to take your word straight up. i see plenty of good mods.

NewForumBloke

14-03-2008, 17:37

It would need to have 2 sockets to even be worth considering, and then to be worth anything it would need 2 ss/3 fury/life/2 sockets. I personally would rather use a white 3os 3 fury pelt over your fury pelt you found, but then i dont have any 22+maxers to be worthy of making a fury druid.

Also, found this:

9 dex
12 mana
lvl 26 jewel.

Wasnt sure it was worth anything, was thinking of putting in a visc.

mainaman

14-03-2008, 17:56

is this ring any good ?
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i95/mainaman/lldring.jpg

EquiLa

14-03-2008, 18:16

Last post about this here, will take the rest in pm's or the stat forum instead.

I'm starting to belive that I've missunderstood something here but my question is still not answered.

As long as the %Dam on a weapon affects the damage in some way (meaning at least +1Max, since that'll always change first) then it's not converted, as there'd be no need. Since the %Dam can be high enough to raise the minimum at 15, getting +2Max isn't relevent.

If this is in some way related to my question does an increase in +min dmg mean that it will show 15ed instead?

Again: I'm simply wondering if a Military Pick will ever show 15ed instead of +1 max without sockets or anything else to modify the base ed on it.

(White Pick with 15ed: Can you read 15ed on it or will it show +1 max since the damage range is too low)

Sorry for the (probable) confusion.

/end rant

Ax2Grind

14-03-2008, 18:58

I can understand confusion. Military picks can roll any %Dam, and any %Dam rolled that doesn't affect the base damage in any way will spawn as +Max instead. Case in point, I have five military picks all with %Dam, four of them with 15, but even the one with +12%Dam doesn't get converted because the roll affects the base damage after rounding down. I don't keep picks which have been converted (actually say +1Max at the bottom) since added %Dam can force it beyond that point if enough is added, included +Min.

NewForumBloke

14-03-2008, 20:04

is this ring any good ?
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i95/mainaman/lldring.jpg

Its not too shabby. If only it was mana instead of energy a barb would like it a lot better though. I dont know if it would be worth anything other than a temp for a ww barb.

dainbramage

15-03-2008, 03:54

14 max is the best magic jewel

8-14 is the best rare jewel (20ED would be a 5th mod)
I was referring to a jewel with ED.

Jewels are allowed 3 prefixes and 3 suffixes just like any other rare. Hence 20ed/4 min/5 max prefixes and 4 min/9 max/-15 req suffixes for 20ed/8-14/-req would be the best possible jewel IMO.

Ax2Grind

15-03-2008, 12:01

1.09 and later jewels spawn with four affixes at the most. They can have three suffixes and a prefix, vice versa, or two of each. Hence, Scarlet/Carbuncle Jewel of Joyfulness/Wrath is the best for any fast, original weapon. %Dam may add up on Cinnabar or Rusty Jewels of Wrath, though, and that's why they tend to double in price for perfects, whilc Carbuncle Jewels of Wrath can get disgustingly expensive.

dainbramage

15-03-2008, 13:57

Damn,
<---pwnt

Apologies to Zangeif.

NewForumBloke

15-03-2008, 21:27

Hopin to make a lvl 18 libby with this or something:

Bitter Hold
Ring
lvl 18
10 fcr
106 ar
37 mana

Worth using i hope?

Zangeif

16-03-2008, 03:45

It's useable, but not great.

Also it's limited to very few builds.

The name is cute though- same name as a east dupe ring.

NewForumBloke

16-03-2008, 04:33

Was thinking of making a libby out of it, and ya thought the name was pretty funny too lol.

Think i can make it work for a 18 libby?

Zangeif

16-03-2008, 05:11

Yeah it's decent for an 18 libby, but I would still prefer another mod over the AR (5 stat, 10 life or 10 rep).

crawlingdeadman

16-03-2008, 06:16

you see em constantly and say "damn shame it's not eth" despite that, decent?

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/5292/rarezwiehanderae0.jpg

Ax2Grind

16-03-2008, 07:29

That and maximum damage - disgusting. I keep getting the RLvl33 ones, though, edging closer to 300%. The IAS makes it, but don't know if the one-handed damage (46-86, 66?) makes it a good Barbarian weapon. I don't see Druids using it, and Paladins don't Zeal with two-handers (AFAIK) or need IAS with Charge. Sacrifice without a shield or mercenary duels? Eh.

Just a brief 'Ooo or Ewww':

Dread Fist
Gauntlets
Defense: 22
Durability: 24 of 24
Required Strength: 60
Required Level: 16
+1 to MArtial Arts (Assassin Only)
+43% Enhanced Defense
+4 to Dexterity
Cold Resist +21%
8% Better Chance to Find Magic Items

IAS and strength instead of BI would've been nice, but are they necessary?

Huplet

16-03-2008, 10:30

An amulet I found has +1 Zon Skills, 10 FCR, and ~12 All Res, at a level req of 27.

Is it any good?

Ax2Grind

16-03-2008, 10:40

For Amazons it's either +1 to Amazon or +2 to Passive and Magic, but I can't see a real use for FCR. If these are the only three affixes, I'd say it'll work for a dueler if you have nothing else, but there's better out there.

crawlingdeadman

16-03-2008, 19:13

Just a brief 'Ooo or Ewww':

Dread Fist
Gauntlets
Defense: 22
Durability: 24 of 24
Required Strength: 60
Required Level: 16
+1 to MArtial Arts (Assassin Only)
+43% Enhanced Defense
+4 to Dexterity
Cold Resist +21%
8% Better Chance to Find Magic Items

IAS and strength instead of BI would've been nice, but are they necessary?

lvl 30 wants 2/10 and lvl 18 would use uniques or sets.

AxlStrife

17-03-2008, 05:11

I just picked this up from Shenk. it lacks fcr but has other nice mods, hoping it's good for something.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/Annie_Ann/Diablo%20II%20Characters/Screenshot006.jpg

EDIT: found this circlet as well:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/Annie_Ann/Diablo%20II%20Characters/Screenshot007.jpg

dainbramage

17-03-2008, 09:39

They're both starters. The ammy is only really useful for a fire sorc (as cold will want to use frosties over mages, and so need fcr on their ammy), rep life is good but lacks mana/res all/stats.

Circlet would benefit more from +2 tree, again res all/life/mana/sockets etc is needed to make it good.

Sean25

17-03-2008, 12:17

1 to assa sk
13 str
13 dex
17 life
8 mana
16 all res

lvl req 35

Is this worth anything or shall i make charsi happy?

MariusHering

17-03-2008, 12:17

I found this ammy:

lvl req 20, 2 light skills, 40 life, 23 cold res, 13 light res, 13 fire res, 13, poison res

Ax2Grind

17-03-2008, 12:47

Sean: nice for post-30 dueling, though there's not as much of that. It's great against monsters, though, so definitely don't throw it away.

Marius: I'm assuming that's a typo (should be 30, not 20). I don't think FCR is as much an issue for lightning since several skills of that page are bugged, but don't go by that until someone else confirms it. Like the one above, it's a very nice amulet either way, though mana and stats would make it near gawdly.

WhateverSorc

17-03-2008, 13:07

oops nevermind.

NewForumBloke

17-03-2008, 14:06

1 to assa sk
13 str
13 dex
17 life
8 mana
16 all res

lvl req 35

Is this worth anything or shall i make charsi happy?

if this is an ammy, It looks very nice for a lvl 35 kicker. Definately dont throw it away.

I found this ammy:

lvl req 20, 2 light skills, 40 life, 23 cold res, 13 light res, 13 fire res, 13, poison res

The ammy isnt TOO bad, but imo its only a starter. Most lld light sorc's look for mana on their ammy and helm.

mainaman

18-03-2008, 04:58

is this circlet any good?
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i95/mainaman/sinlld.jpg
and this amulet?
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i95/mainaman/sinlldamu.jpg
lld baba helm (last mode is +5 mana)
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i95/mainaman/baballdhelm.jpg

Ax2Grind

18-03-2008, 09:09

If the circlet had strength instead of energy, but I think the extra mana can still help. Someone who plays Assassins can tell you how much, but it's keeper.

The amulet has three useful affixes, and one (FCR) is only beneficial to two skills: Psychic Hammer and Mind Blast. The latter is RLvl24 and there are no known hammer builds that I've seen. Not sure how useful it is, but I think there are easily better traders out there.

I think a choice primal with three sockets can beat that rare, and one which spawned with two sockets can be beaten by a Lore - less life and such, but many other benefits.

crawlingdeadman

18-03-2008, 20:08

keep the circlet, trash the rest.

Huplet

19-03-2008, 02:56

Is this ring any good?
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7451/fcrdexmanalldringhj6.jpg

NewForumBloke

19-03-2008, 03:22

Ya, id say its a pretty nice ring, mana isnt bad, has stats for max block, little bit of life, fcr, even a bit of ar that a few hybird builds could make use out of a bit. Dont know its worth, but its a keeper in my book.

Huplet

19-03-2008, 03:55

Awesome, thanks. I'll see what I can get for it.

Ax2Grind

19-03-2008, 05:22

General question about damage reduction: are Sols/Artisan's of Life/etc of any use in low-level dueling, or just the Jeweler's of Amicae for higher levels? (This includes rings, crafted and otherwise.)

While I'm on it, I found a couple 15%Dam battle scythes and want to know if they're used for characters or mercenary wars.