How effective are poison necro's in public?

[Tiidus]

Hey all,

Thinking of making a pvp poison necro for all round publics. Just wondering how ppl rate em on a scale of 1-10?

and where their main problems are.

Also is it best to get the max fcr with lower dmg or just 100fcr?

[frooglemon]

Psn necs are pretty good in public. I'd put the around a 6 maybe 7. Then again they could be a 2-3. In my experience, they can kill most people pretty easy but die easy too. People love to stack res which makes you less damaging (2 carrions is a ***** against this build). Their main problem is that you have to run while the psn kills your opponent. Usually, you get to kill them when they got 1 life left with your fire golem's aura but people like to kill you before then. As to the fcr, the more the better. Honestly,losing some damage doesn't really matter if they cant get to you. You want to cast fast enough to run from charging pallies and fast enough to move from casted spells. I dunno if this is helpful, its just my 2 cents.

[[exile]]

Remember, the FCR breakpoints are either 75 or 125. 125 makes for some tight gear selection if you're using a DWeb, but is possible.

[Tiidus]

yeah if i do make ill prob go for the 125fcr with hoto and have deaths in stash for stacked res chars.

[AceAZA]

I am definitely not a great dueler, most of the time I get owned even in pubbys, but the first character I ever owned a game with was my Poison Necro. It works great in pub duels.

[Dennis_KoreanGuy]

poison has always been the downcast unstable element.

You will do fine. and wear death's web, not a hoto. you should not have any problem getting 125% with spirit.

[Tiidus]

is Deaths web really needed for public? wouldn't hoto be better for the added res and have a deaths web in stash for ppl stacking res

[Dennis_KoreanGuy]

Yes. Yes it is.

[smilts]

DWeb is the only way to go if you can afford it negative Psn resist is great. I also like the full trang's version of the venomancer fore dueling gives more than a healthy bit of fire power

[UrbanHeroics]

TigerPrawn made an awesome guide on full trang set poison necro that works great. I have taken down a few pubbies with this char. The only thing that I don't like about the full trang build is the no teleport. However, if you can get a tele-charged ammy, problem solved. I have been killed a few times by bone necs and their bone prison. Plus, with trang set, you can walk at run speed! That means full block while moving fast as hell.

Yes, Dweb makes a poison necro so much more potent.

EDIT: Here is the link for the Trang build: http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=617787

[phool]

I built my poison necro for pvm but it did well in pubs, I'm pretty sure most people don't know what antidotes do.

pretty standard setup
death's web psn facet
enigma dusk
arach
perf spirit emonarch
1x fcr ring 1x soj
20 fcr 3 pnb 2x facet circlet or godly rare
20 fcr +2 nec amu
trang gloves
etreks or godly rare

you get about 10k, 10.5k nova with up to -65 pr, most pubbies don't usually stack pr enough to have more than about 30 res after anya bug and your -res I would guess, despite popularity of treks.

75 fcr would let you go max block with quite a lot more damage (poison jmod or even 3 part trang), I think it would probably be better but I haven't tried it.

[Summerfun]

I have duelled ALOT with my psn mancer and i found that 125fcr setup is not the best idea in pub.

A psn mancer needs to get close, he cant spam spells from faraway like the bonemancer.
So you are gonna need max block and some dr%
75%fcr is not that bad on a dmg over time based build. you dont need to spam nova faster than you can do at 75% fcr.

I build mine like this.

3p&b 20 fcr -10/+10 circlet
2 nec 20fcr 16dex 16 allres amu
perfect eth DW
any enigma that you can wear without adding str.
Homo socket 5/5
Trang-ouls gloves
2 fcr rings with high mana, and dex
rare boots with 20fhr and tri res.
and the europe only bugged belt

If you cant get that bugged belt or simply wanna be legit, then change it with arach.
You would then have to use storm for high DR% but your ring slots are open for other things than fcr.

If you ever need 125% fcr then just use a facet suicide brance.
you are only gonna need the 125% fcr switch vs very few sorceress, and vs sorceress you dont really need DW because of them having low life compared to a barb or a pally.

[Hyphy]

they are a B**** in pubs, when you got convic+ fc~ ~>``

[Tiidus]

Ok thanks for all your reply's.

Im guessing im gonna get a very mixed opinion here. But should I go for 125fcr with spirit and all vit.

or 75fcr with stormsheild or homo and max block?

[Summerfun]

depends on who you are asking.... And it depends on your gear.
i'd still say mine is the right way to go.

there is a great guide in the sticky in the nec forum.
there we had allmost the same discussion

[NewForumBloke]

they are a B**** in pubs, when you got convic+ fc

1.) Conviction doesnt lower poison dmg (its funny how many ppl forget about this)

2.) im not quite sure what you mean by fc... necro doesnt have farcast or fireclaws...

Id definately agree with summer though. Friend of mine had a poisonmancer once and the block just helps out soooo much imo. And as it has been mentioned before Use the DWEB! lol...

-BLoke :smug:

[Dennis_KoreanGuy]

stormshield. so you can switch to spirit against certain others.

homun's foolish!

[thepandafactor]

The build is not very strong IMO, but I think full trangs is the IDEAL setup. (with dweb and other obvious pieces). The only way you are gonna hit a real dueler is with desync from trangs, and the set bonuses and individual items are not at all bad. Indeed, you get a lot more life/res/damage with trangs since you can ignore FCR completely.

[theheft]

I dont own a poison nec but when ever I duelled them they have made my 6.8k life (my barb) dissapear within a matter of seconds.

The replies like "stack poison resi and it wont work" are just bull**** IMO. If you stack poison resi to fight one person your sacrificing other aspects and making yourself more vulnerable to other people, you asked how good they are in PUBS not private games. If they want to mess about changing gear eveytime the fight a different chracter go ahead, I would rather stick on a all round set of gear and only go back into town to whisper sweet nothings into Akaras ear.

They're very good IMO, and being killed by the fire aura pulse form the gollem is rather embarrasing!

[Dennis_KoreanGuy]

The build is not very strong IMO, but I think full trangs is the IDEAL setup. (with dweb and other obvious pieces). The only way you are gonna hit a real dueler is with desync from trangs, and the set bonuses and individual items are not at all bad. Indeed, you get a lot more life/res/damage with trangs since you can ignore FCR completely.
Full trangs is definitely not the ideal setup for pvp psn mancer. The desynch from trangs is absolutely nothing compared to the mobility a teleport provides.

If you cannot tele out and rely on frw on a psn nec, you will get owned so hard it will be unbelievable.

[canudig]

The build is not very strong IMO, but I think full trangs is the IDEAL setup. (with dweb and other obvious pieces). The only way you are gonna hit a real dueler is with desync from trangs, and the set bonuses and individual items are not at all bad. Indeed, you get a lot more life/res/damage with trangs since you can ignore FCR completely.
yeah trangs is great, but I find that teleport can be much better especially since if lets say a bowa with kb gloves, etc......you will almost never get close enough to nova them

[Summerfun]

stormshield. so you can switch to spirit against certain others.

homun's foolish!

Depends on the build. im my build there in no need to ever use a spirit shield.
I allway use homo, but with different sockets.

the only other things i ever swap are DW for wizzardspike or suicide branch.
And my circlet for max res circlets (20fcr 3socket, either 3*LO 3*vex 3*OHM)

[Galabab]

deaths web is bad choice and poison damage in general is bad in pvp cuz anybody con drink 10 antidots and have 85 posion resist AFTER your lower res and all facets/dw.

correct me if im wrong.

[phool]

only the duration stacks when drinking multiple antidotes, not the effect. It's really not often a big issue in pubs.

[frooglemon]

Not that many people carry antidotes,...intially. Then they all start chugging away. Yes people usually stack res but they do it for fire and light usually not poison. My personal opinion, and i know people disagree, but since enigma came out, i have never seen a use for max block on some characters. Sure paladins do because there are lots of 1pt smites and because they can. You're a caster, just get a good cast rate, some mana and move around. You're not a barb who can tank tons of damage, you're a necro with what on average 3k life? just my say max the vit and just teleport.

[Summerfun]

on a bone nec or a sorc you dont need block as much, because you can attack from far away. you need to get pretty close with a psn mancer, thats why you need max block

[Galabab]

many chars in oub have 50~75 poison resist.
After using antidots the have 85 res and overstacked with some 30?
So is it really worth it using deathweb and facets to break that overstack? i mean my hammerdin has over 100 stacked resist in hell by himself when i drink antidots poison cant touch me.

[Summerfun]

-55 psn res from dw. -61 psn res from lower res. -10 psn res from circlet. -5 psn res from homo. Thats - 131 psn res.

DW not only lowers your res to psn, it allos increas the psn duration. You need DW!!
nothing to say about it

[Galabab]

well probably i just never dueled a necro with so much -psn

[Summerfun]

well probably i just never dueled a necro with so much -psn

That might very well be :thumbsup:

[xxxkillerxxx]

DW not only lowers your res to psn, it allos increas the psn duration. You need DW!!

Elaborate please.


@topic: poison necs can be just as effective/ineffective as pure foh or any other elemental char relying on -res.

[Summerfun]

there are some info here http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=629883
and here http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=277202

In short: -enemy psn res not only lower the enemys res, but allos make the psn duration longer.
just like negative psn lenght reduced.

PS. it only work with -psn res from items, not skils like LR.

Thats why i would allmost never go without a DW.

[xxxkillerxxx]

there are some info here http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=629883
and here http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=277202

In short: -enemy psn res not only lower the enemys res, but allos make the psn duration longer.
just like negative psn lenght reduced.

PS. it only work with -psn res from items, not skils like LR.

Thats why i would allmost never go without a DW.

Thanks for info :P
If you already are at -100 (which you normally are in hell games anyway) it shouldn't have any effect or did I not read carefully enough?

[Summerfun]

Thanks for info :P
If you already are at -100 (which you normally are in hell games anyway) it shouldn't have any effect or did I not read carefully enough?

Its not capped at -100 in hell. So it does help.

If you want i can show you the difference in a game.

[xxxkillerxxx]

Its not capped at -100 in hell. So it does help.

If you want i can show you the difference in a game.

Nah I'll take your word for it. Thanks again :)

[uptoolayte]

Full trangs is definitely not the ideal setup for pvp psn mancer. The desynch from trangs is absolutely nothing compared to the mobility a teleport provides.

If you cannot tele out and rely on frw on a psn nec, you will get owned so hard it will be unbelievable.

I think full trangs is good for melee duels. I've won 99% of melee duels with trang's set because of walk/block/desynch. Then I have normal psn nec gear for other duels. I'd say I use trangs 75% of the time, as its simply more effective in over 50% of my duels.

[Summerfun]

I think full trangs is good for melee duels. I've won 99% of melee duels with trang's set because of walk/block/desynch. Then I have normal psn nec gear for other duels. I'd say I use trangs 75% of the time, as its simply more effective in over 50% of my duels.

False! What does trangs give you that RW/uniques dossent do?

[struikje]

You actually quoted it summerfun. The fact that you can walk at the same speed as you were running, and thus gives you max block whilst moving fast. I think this can be handy in melee duels and it can't be provided by rw/uniques.

The public bvc, smiter,.. They aren't really the most skilled players.
Struikje

[Summerfun]

that dossent make up for the fact that you cant use teleport.
any semi skilled bvc/smiter will eat you alive

[TigerPrawn]

that dossent make up for the fact that you cant use teleport.
any semi skilled bvc/smiter will eat you alive

Heh, please try it out or duel a full trang user before making comments like that. Smiters are by far one of the easiest fights for a full Trang's set Necro. Even using cleanse (which helps a TON) it's still very possible to win.

BvCs, although problematic to most casters, does not pose the same threat against Trang's set. Not only do you have max block while at run speed, but you also get a nice 25% DR from full Trang's set. Furthermore, Bone armor/refresh is ALWAYS nice against BvCs. Obviously this is not a top tier dueler, but it does many things well and that includes destroying pretty much every melee class out there.

I usually run around with 140%ish r/w (lots of r/w skillers :thumbsup:).

Anyway, give it a try. It's a fun build, cheap as dirt for the most part, and you get to kill people with meteor/firewalls lol.


I'm on USWEST and I'm down for a few matches if you like. I'm not on very often these days, but It'd be fun to pop on for a few matches.

[maiku]

I read your guide, TigerPrawn. In fact, it was what made me decide to get full Trang's and start a Poisonmancer. I'm not big on PvP, but I hope to have my own little Lindwurm for PvM and occasional PvP soon. The build's been mixed a little with a Poison/Summoner from Gvandale's guide in the Necro forum, but I've read your guide over and over... (And I'm on USWest ladder btw.)

[xxxkillerxxx]

Heh, please try it out or duel a full trang user before making comments like that. Smiters are by far one of the easiest fights for a full Trang's set Necro. Even using cleanse (which helps a TON) it's still very possible to win.

BvCs, although problematic to most casters, does not pose the same threat against Trang's set. Not only do you have max block while at run speed, but you also get a nice 25% DR from full Trang's set. Furthermore, Bone armor/refresh is ALWAYS nice against BvCs. Obviously this is not a top tier dueler, but it does many things well and that includes destroying pretty much every melee class out there.

I usually run around with 140%ish r/w (lots of r/w skillers :thumbsup:).

Anyway, give it a try. It's a fun build, cheap as dirt for the most part, and you get to kill people with meteor/firewalls lol.


I'm on USWEST and I'm down for a few matches if you like. I'm not on very often these days, but It'd be fun to pop on for a few matches.

So you use psn nova in "melee duels"? Or do you use (omgomg) psn dagger lol? Either way even if you assume your opponent dies in <10 seconds from one nova you wont live that long without teleport. Running necs can't avoid namelock telewhirl more than zons and they die too despite more life/def/frw/dodge.

[MassiveSin]

Full Trang allows for TACTICS
Observe some videos
http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=618450

[Uncle_Mike]

In anticipation of further posts I kindly ask that we keep it clean and civil :laugh:

ps
I can't see trang necs work well vs properly geared and decent players.

[Summerfun]

In anticipation of further posts I kindly ask that we keep it clean and civil :laugh:

ps
I can't see trang necs work well vs properly geared and decent players.

My thoughts exactly. It might be ok vs. unskilled players and other players without enigma.
But the enigma using nec would do even better.

How would you ever win vs a good smiter? he would name lock you with tele and start smiting away before you can do anything.

if you try to run he would switch to charge and maybe holy freeze and take you down real fast.

[MassiveSin]

UM & Summerfun...Look at the video to conclude that all of those players that were killed were from luck or their weren't "good" or "properly equiped" is poor reasoning. His build (detailed in the link) is solid and uses 3 elements of attack (fire, posion, & magic).

[Summerfun]

im sure we will never agree, but imho those are poor players! not even trying to dodge psn nova?

[xxxkillerxxx]

Full Trang allows for TACTICS
Observe some videos
http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=618450
If by tactics you mean running away while spamming that's nothing new, all bad casters in our realm have been playing that game the last 5 years.


UM & Summerfun...Look at the video to conclude that all of those players that were killed were from luck or their weren't "good" or "properly equiped" is poor reasoning. His build (detailed in the link) is solid and uses 3 elements of attack (fire, posion, & magic).
You're deluded if you think that barbs who die in 5 seconds are good and properly equipped. According to you amazons are unbeatable and trang ouls armor is better than enigma. If I make a video where I kill incompetent fools with an ik barb will you say ik is solid and better than enigma in some duels too? Fear the immortal king, although an ik-barb with the right gear would be relatively tough.


Tigerprawn: no offense, I love prawns, but you can't be serious when saying trangs is actually better than enigma. Take it for what it is, a fun build that can surprise and kill more people than expected but nothing else. If blind people chase you with low life chars and die alot thats great, doesn't mean it works vs the players UM/summerfun are talking about or even the average slob though.

[Uncle_Mike]

@killer - thanks for a well worded response :thumbsup:

Also, to give you some perspective. I used to play a bit with a psn nec some months ago. What put me off was that people would indeed chug antidotes, put on max res gear and whatnot and seriously hampered the efficiency of the build. There is no use whining about it being bm etc. since it's the reality.

In the vid you can mostly see TigerPrawn run and expect people to run into his novas. What if the person he's facing doesn't do it? Nova has a relatively small range. It can be outrun and avoided. I remember duelling Proxyi (most likely one of the very top shapers on EU) and I had trouble doing any dmg to him, because he would avoid novas. The only way to poison him was to tele (yes, tele not run towards him) real close and hope to cast a nova and tele away before he whoops me with his fury or rabies. And that's against a werewolf which is not considered a top tier build. Also, the barb in the vid doesn't seem to use teleport :laugh:

Also, given the stats he posts in his thread he would die to a single blessed hammer in most cases.

[MassiveSin]

@xxxkillerxxx teleporting around the screen randomly and dysynic charge is different from running around without it and can be seen? And stop putting words in my mouth, I never said enigma was or wasn't superior to trangs. The thread is about being effective. Not godly. Not Pub clearing. NOT always winning every match up.
EFFECTIVE

The build is EFFECTIVE which is why I posted in the first place to contradict the other feedback that was given.
You’re not going to find the "GODLY I got PERFECT set up PVP character" in every pub game and a poison necro can be effective with or without them playing against the build.

@UM
True about the antidotes, but who is saying that any of the opponents he faced didn't do that.
Most builds will die to 2 hammers so I don't get that reference since 1 can kill or bring someone under a third (hence everyone favoring the hammerdin to do well....... everything and anything since they can use enigma for infinite teleport).
Now, it is his video and I'm not going to defend his choice of highlights with the barb, however what about the dysynic charge/smite that got beat (third/forth character fight)? Again UM the point of the thread is effective not godly handles everything thrown at it. Which by your post lead the reader to believe that it is not effective.

[TigerPrawn]

Too much to quote so I'll just summarize.

You guys seem to think that I claim this is a godly build taking down all it runs into. Unfortunately, that's not the case. Hell, I even stated CLEARLY in my guide that this is NOT a top tier dueler. However, I still hold the claim that it does VERY well against melee duelers. This is not me playing theorycraft because I have fought smiters/BvCs good and bad. Furthermore, I never, ever, ever said Trang's armor is superior to Enigma. Please quote me if I did and I'll retract my statement.

The fact of the matter is poison nova with or without Trang's armor (I prefer Trang's) is EFFECTIVE. Sure you can argue about gear to negate poison nova (antidotes, stacked poison res, PLR, etc.) but that's something all elemental casters must deal with. Lucky for Necromancers we have lower resist and not to mention items with a TON of -enemy resist.

Like I said before, duel a Trang set necromancer before making theorycraft claims. I've dueled plenty of well geared BvCs, tele-smiter, desynch, it doesn't matter. I'm not gonna drop names because that's just plain tacky. I won't win every single match, but I do very well against all melee.

Also UM, against shapeshifters it's really no contest. There is no need to tele. Decrepify and Nova is pretty much all it takes most times. I'm not hating on shifters at all, I have a FC druid myself, but fact of the matter is that shapeshifters have less r/w (generally) and combined with decrepify it's a one sided match. Also fire from meteor pits and firewalls kill druids not allowing them to reshift. Furthermore, Bone spirit is not a skill that was thrown in the trash. I still have a moderately damaging bone spirit. It won't do massive damage, but it does enough chip damage to matter.

PS... Paladins are not the only class that can desynch.

*ironchefsonny if you ever want to duel

[Uncle_Mike]

I rest my case...go go trang necs. And if there is any reason we seem to be bashing trang necs it's because of posts like some of the above.

It's a fun build and I don't see anyone claim it won't kill a thing. But a psn nec thread that is to conclude that trang set is the way to go is just plain ridiculous, sorry...

And thanks for info, I thought only paladins could desynch...it can't be that i meant that any paladin without a brain and cracked stuff can...

ps.
Duel a good barb please.

[xxxkillerxxx]

@xxxkillerxxx teleporting around the screen randomly and dysynic charge is different from running around without it and can be seen? And stop putting words in my mouth, I never said enigma was or wasn't superior to trangs. The thread is about being effective. Not godly. Not Pub clearing. NOT always winning every match up.
EFFECTIVE

The build is EFFECTIVE which is why I posted in the first place to contradict the other feedback that was given.
You’re not going to find the "GODLY I got PERFECT set up PVP character" in every pub game and a poison necro can be effective with or without them playing against the build.

Like your imaginary beat-all-character-amazon trang necs are effective vs blind players but not much else. Pretty please elaborate some about the amazing "tactics" trang oul necs can use to defeat non-handicapped players who use chars with more than 2k life.
You're not allowed to include running away while spamming and hoping some blind impatient beginners with bad motor skills will chase you until they die cause that great strategy has been explained in the video :prop:

I can make an ik barb and kill twice as many bad players as trang necs any time but noone would call it effective except people who don't duel regularly.

To prevent this from going on and on like a broken record; most people have a different opinion of "good and properly equipped" chars than yours. You're in minority here which is fine, just realize that the average dueler is decently wealthy nowadays and won't drop like the flies in the video.


@UM
True about the antidotes, but who is saying that any of the opponents he faced didn't do that.
Because they died in 3 seconds. But of course you're right, they probably had 400 psn res but only 700 life. Popular build :)


@Mike: I think most people antidote cause it's annoying to lose 7k life in 2 hits ^^
Gotta hate lower resist, especially with sorcs around. Despite stacking psn necs can still be pretty good in 1v1 vs some chars but they were much better in 1.10 with marrowbug for 3k spirits.

[TigerPrawn]

It's a fun build and I don't see anyone claim it won't kill a thing.



trang necs are effective vs blind players but not much else.

PS... Find me a good barb on west. I don't pay much attention to the clan scene but I've dueled a few barbs from "large" clans. No idea if they are known or not. Either way, find me a barb and Ill duel.

[Uncle_Mike]

Given pub setup environment max-block psn necs are a major pain for melee builds (es sorcs aside). My nec was welfare but did pretty well against Scum (Imbecile @ dii.net) when we duelled in private. Thing is, the moment the barb puts on anti psn gear things get pretty damn even, good zerk locks, good resistances on barb makes it an incredibly even matchup.

It was similar with Moritz who decided to duel without anti psn gear most of the time for practice purposes. And my nec was nowhere near good, I had (IIRC) 2.1k life and 50 dr which is both easy to obtain and rather obvious against melee. I assume that dweb makes more difference since simple antidotes won't help but then again we are talking about a non-tele trang nec. How can you escape namelocks if i barely could with enigma and 125% fcr?

PS... Find me a good barb on west. I don't pay much attention to the clan scene but I've dueled a few barbs from "large" clans. No idea if they are known or not. Either way, find me a barb and Ill duel.

You should find a good barb so that you can claim that barbs are very doable for your nec. I don't pay attention to clan scene either, you will know the barb is good when you realise running isn't the answer.

Also, I don't think you've duelled any good shapers either, but since you consider decrep ok you won't mind them chugging antidotes and stacking psn res right?

[TigerPrawn]

To be honest, it's simple. I don't try to escape namelocks. There's no point if I don't have tele. I just run south, anticipate the telelock/whirl and let them make it, nova, and that 75% block is gonna help out avoiding hits and not to mention I don't have to stand still to take advantage of max block meaning I can desynch as there trying to tele to me. Same concept when dueling a Windy, but windies are so much harder and nigh impossible sometimes. Refresh bone armor, repeat. Obviously this isn't going to work every time but that's how I deal with namelock tele/whirl.

[MassiveSin]

Because they died in 3 seconds. But of course you're right, they probably had 400 psn res but only 700 life. Popular build :)

Coming from someone who doesn't even know the game mechanics to posion until this thread your credablity is lacking. You should know your subject matter before making a comment.
Thanks for info :P
If you already are at -100 (which you normally are in hell games anyway) it shouldn't have any effect or did I not read carefully enough?

[xxxkillerxxx]

Coming from someone who doesn't even know the game mechanics to posion until this thread your credablity is lacking. You should know your subject matter before making a comment.

Irrelevant blabbering from beginners who think zons beat all characters and good barbs die in 3 seconds from nova doesn't concern me. But yeah I had no clue PSN LENGTH wasn't capped at -100 like other protection modifiers, got me there. Ouch. Now elaborate on how this is related to trang necs inability to kill anything with a brain or how not knowing this would change _anything whatsoever_ when you're stacking against poison necs. I bet you can't even comprehend the latter.

[MassiveSin]

Another member has already said to you what I want to say
kid, you are 1000 years to early to reach my power lvl.
You have much 2 read

Edit::cool: UM that brought a smile to my face, but I was only concerned with the quote... trust me there were many to choose from like Yuqing & Xombie but that one was exactly what I wanted to say

[Uncle_Mike]

My ~12k def 48 dr% hammer lost up to 2k life per killer's whirl, I also remember him duelling summerfun some months ago and proving he can actually berserk necs. I see no reason to question his credibility to be honest.

edit: NLgosubarb is a good source of quotes, knowledge is another thing...

[canudig]

if wealth is a concern then a trang necro would be effective in public....just not godly......with trang I actually do more nova damage (don't have all the tele poisoner equipment yet), have better res, more survivability, max block and -85 enemy poison res (with lower res this comes out to be -146 enemy poison resistance). Couple all that with doing 10k+ poison nova damage and pretty much everything I nova will go down in 1-2 novas.
However since I like the option of teleport, I am trying it out with the same poisoner necro, but I do about 1-2k less and also have less -enemy poison res since I can't socket my helm, armor, shield with facets and I also lose out on the -res of the trang set......I also get less +poison skill damage and res as well (meaning that I have to load up on more res charms instead of putting lifers and fhr charms in there)

[xxxkillerxxx]

Another member has already said to you what I want to say

Showstopper right there, I capitulate.


My ~12k def 48 dr% hammer lost up to 2k life per killer's whirl, I also remember him duelling summerfun some months ago and proving he can actually berserk necs. I see no reason to question his credibility to be honest.

edit: NLgosubarb is a good source of quotes, knowledge is another thing...

I wasn't good with zerk then, just showed that it's possible to land them on druids and necs and 1 good hit can turn the whole duel. As a bonus summerfun also confirmed what olba didn't believe; that it was possible to 1-hit necs haha (1k dmg to life max :laughing:)

[Rabbitz]

Do it the old fashioned way.

Someone build a makeshift charmless baba on his server and get him.

[Summerfun]

Showstopper right there, I capitulate.




I wasn't good with zerk then, just showed that it's possible to land them on druids and necs and 1 good hit can turn the whole duel. As a bonus summerfun also confirmed what olba didn't believe; that it was possible to 1-hit necs haha (1k dmg to life max :laughing:)

We have to re-do those duels though. Since then i have had alot of focus on those 2 chars i used in those duels.
The Nec is now rebuild with a max block switch and swapped the old 3x lifers for all 45 lifers.

The druid still have what i call "perfect" gear, my skills with him has just gotten better.

You should still be able to 1-hit ko the nec with berserk, but this time he has max block.

And i'll still say that you would have been just as sucessfull vs my druid without zerk.

[xxxkillerxxx]

We have to re-do those duels though. Since then i have had alot of focus on those 2 chars i used in those duels.
The Nec is now rebuild with a max block switch and swapped the old 3x lifers for all 45 lifers.

The druid still have what i call "perfect" gear, my skills with him has just gotten better.

You should still be able to 1-hit ko the nec with berserk, but this time he has max block.

And i'll still say that you would have been just as sucessfull vs my druid without zerk.

Even if I had my old berserker equipped I would just use a normal zerk/ww barb vs block necs. Pure zerker with zero leap, zero speed and zero ww is weak, I just used him to prove a point hehe. If you really want some barb vs nec later I might try to get on a good connection in a week or two but then we have to set a time. Haven't had a good barb vs nec in ages though :)

I would have done better vs your druid with pure ww-leap-defwhore-laming noob play but that would have taken longer and been more boring and unimpressive.
The whole idea was to show that it's possible to land zerks on maxblock druids, I played kinda suicidal and died alot but you died as well and imo I did 40-50% of the overall damage with zerk. Not bad for a 6k life ****bva with 1 pt zerk :P

How viable it really is depends on how the druid plays, on some druids telezerk works awesome, vs others it doesn't work at all. Of course you need to mix it with ww, not to remove summons but simply cause block druids tank zerk/conc. I normally don't zerk as much as I did against you but I've landed quite a number of hits on top druids and those usually ensures victory. Imo it's the only way you can play aggressive vs block druids, there is no chance you can win with ww alone. Zerk/ww is also more fun than leaping around like a sack of potatoes 24/7.

Anyway my new zerk/ww/leap bvc has 1.5k more life and more damage than the joke you dueled so I don't get outtanked by druids. I still lose more than I win vs good druids but they're actually pretty hard with 0 or 5% leech and I don't have the patience to leap or get lame autowin setup so expect ezpk :)

[Summerfun]

Im allways up for some friendly duels, but we would have to wait about a month or more.
i have a broken right hand GRRRRR!

right now i can hardly mannage to leech in baal runs using left hand on the mouse...
im getting better though!

[Uncle_Mike]

watch out for trang necs, with a broken hand you don't stand a chance against them :laugh:

Let's try to keep this one on topic please :wink2:

[Summerfun]

watch out for trang necs, with a broken hand you don't stand a chance against them :laugh:

Let's try to keep this one on topic please :wink2:

I desync like hell because of my hand :lipsrsealed:

[Dark_Giga]

Guess I should drop my opinion on this thread...

YES, poison necros do extremely well in pub pvping for a couple of reason:

- most people don't stack or have stack vs poison, they don't expect it
- most without stack usually have crap resist, with dweb and lr = gg
- enigma is a must
- high fhr is a must
- melee is generally VERY easy for a psn necro...with max block of course
- problems for the build are generally sorcs and trappers/fohers, but that seems to be the case for all casters. it comes down to whoever outteles the other by landing the attack first, sorb if you're bm in pubs and psn necros own :)
- i don't bother with fire golem, it dies way too fast, i generally stick with teeth
- remember, if you don't kill them when they are at 1 and they town, you still WIN, you just don't get the satisfaction of killing them

[Rabbitz]

Hey.

Combine high fcr, max block and Deathsweb for me pls.

[Summerfun]

Hey.

Combine high fcr, max block and Deathsweb for me pls.

Impossible! unless you go max block with spirit or darkforce.
luckely, 75% is ok in 90% of the duels.
And when its not, you use wizzy for 125 fcr.
Because in those 10% of the cases where you DO need 125% fcr, you dont need DW :thumbsup:

[Rabbitz]

Impossible! unless you go max block with spirit or darkforce.
luckely, 75% is ok in 90% of the duels.
And when its not, you use wizzy for 125 fcr.
Because in those 10% of the cases where you DO need 125% fcr, you dont need DW :thumbsup:

Yes I know that dood, I wanted him to actually think about what he said :thumbsup:

[Summerfun]

Yes I know that dood, I wanted him to actually think about what he said :thumbsup:

Must have been sleepy:dizzy:

[Hyphy]

i'm thinkin of makin a psn necro if i could find a dream head w/ 3nova/lower res
so i could "glitch" and only need to him them once or twice then the rest will take care o f it self.

if not that i'm sure i could utillize a psn nec and solopublic games. just gonnatake practice

edit, head can make 3 os can't they?

[Summerfun]

They can not!
You would have seen alot more sanctuary necro heads then

[NewForumBloke]

Too bad heads cant have 4 sockets lol, imagine a spirit in one of those crazy heads with 3 spirit 3 spear etc lol