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I know this is an extremely opinion-based question, but I'm wondering what everyone thinks is the most "fun" character to play. When I used to play a lot, I really enjoyed playing my 1) multi-shot burizon(cookie cutter at the time, I know), 2) lightning fury zon(mostly just for cows tho), and 3) I LOVED my frenzy barb. Now my orb/fw sorc was fun, but just not the same. The frenzy barb was almost uncontrollable he'd run so fast, but damnit he was funny. The other day, AgentMarth was in a game with me with his wolf barb, and that thing looked entertaining as hell.
What does everyone find to be the most entertaining build to play (not necessarily most effective, best at surviving, etc...just fun)?
PestInReace
24-01-2008, 22:06
Warrior-monk (Bladefury-Dragontalon). It kills mostly everything (except maybe phys immune) in a blink, even bosses if you have cb on her. And she looks pretty cool with those crazyspeed kicks and blades :cool:
AgentMarth
24-01-2008, 22:15
The other day, AgentMarth was in a game with me with his wolf barb, and that thing looked entertaining as hell.
What does everyone find to be the most entertaining build to play (not necessarily most effective, best at surviving, etc...just fun)?
He is quite fun to play. A major part of that comes from being nigh un-killable if you are paying attention.
To me, "fun" tends to me mass slaughter, sometimes though, not always. Currently, its my new Javazon I am in love with. I love launching one fury then walking almost 2 screens over corpses. She's nearly all tricked out, once she is though, i'll most likely be playing her till 90+.
Others include Kicker, Strafer, and Frenzy can be a hoot. I like my fast attacks.
Unfortunately, wealth can play a huge part in this. While my Wolfbarb was made with all self found items, a Bearsin wouldn't be as easy.
*Waits for Sara to mention a certain fuzzy char*
Valar-Wrath
24-01-2008, 22:33
Holy Shock Bow Pally (AKA Power Ranger)
Wolf-Barb.
Master Zap
24-01-2008, 22:46
*Waits for Sara to mention a certain fuzzy char*
you wont need to wait long, My Favorite char is the Mighty Bear sorc. She kills fast, tanks well and looks stylish doing it.
Next , it's hard to say. I really enjoy playing Martial arts sins. The Hotkeys and charge ups and those skills keep your fingers busy! They are pretty effective too !
After that it gets fuzzy. A pdr Bezerker ranks up there for fun. It's nice to be able to run around and not worry about anything ! :P
I like Strafers, Frenzy, Maulers, Zealots and MA Sins for fun, they all have issues to contend with in Hell and other places and tend to be on the edge of death alot but all fun. Throw Barbs are good fun also, but hell is a reall pain without good stuff.
I have really been enjoying my frost zealots and sploder necros. I got bored with my javazon and dismantled her and gave all her gear away.
The sploder necro was really easy on softcore, but is quite a challenge to play right on hardcore. It also allows for quite some variety. At least I think so :)
come back zinc
24-01-2008, 23:47
To me, "fun" tends to me mass slaughter, sometimes though, not always. Currently, its my new Javazon I am in love with. I love launching one fury then walking almost 2 screens over corpses. She's nearly all tricked out, once she is though, i'll most likely be playing her till 90+.
My Java is at lev 79 with a lev 33 LF (has titans). She just doesn't seem to kill fast enough. What's the secret, Marth?
Master Zap
25-01-2008, 00:14
My Java is at lev 79 with a lev 33 LF (has titans). She just doesn't seem to kill fast enough. What's the secret, Marth?
Probably boils down to equipment. Try using a Tstroke, the -res on it makes a noticable difference in kill speed. Griffon's ofc would put you over the top, and if you factor in conviction you then truely become OMGpwnage
ps zinc, if you dont have a tstroke, Ive a couple extra and can gib you one to try.
My Java is at lev 79 with a lev 33 LF (has titans). She just doesn't seem to kill fast enough. What's the secret, Marth?
Got Pierce?
Strokes can help, so can that one elite helm.
Another thing about Lf is how you play, you should do things to group them up as LF really shines on tight packs over small scattered groups. It can really pay to run around a bit to gather them, or encounter/withdraw a bit thus pulling them into a group. YOu can also do this using your Merc/Valk/Decoy.
PS, the helm is Griffons IIRC...
The real power of a Java is Charged Strike, sure LF is nice and all but if you want real killing speed hit them with a couple LFs and then CS them when it is safe to do so. This is where having Titans and Tstrokes pays, toss the Titans and CS with strokes.
SilverDin
25-01-2008, 00:26
My Java is at lev 79 with a lev 33 LF (has titans). She just doesn't seem to kill fast enough. What's the secret, Marth?
Playing in normal I think.
Spinewall
25-01-2008, 00:34
Double Throw Potion Barb.
HECK YEAH!!!
level 33 LF should destroy all non-light immune beasts.
Characters I liked playing work pretty good untwinked they are:
Trapsin - Just feed mana pots and she's happy.
Summon Necro - This guy can go untwinked. Pretty hard to screw one up.
Fishyzon - These are nifty, but they end up without a high-level valk unless you use some secret cheat codes that only I possess.
I need to play a few more variations. I know there's a few more that are cool.
Characters I liked playing work pretty good untwinked they are:
Trapsin - Just feed mana pots and she's happy.
Summon Necro - This guy can go untwinked. Pretty hard to screw one up.
...
These are my top two favorites to play also.
AgentMarth
25-01-2008, 03:18
My Java is at lev 79 with a lev 33 LF (has titans). She just doesn't seem to kill fast enough. What's the secret, Marth?
Like said, it boils down to gear.
Keep in mind everything on her is legitimate. Her Merc, not so much. Even though I don't need him much save for Immunes. Half the time Conviction doesn't even kick in before they are dead.
Griffon's +24/-18
Mara's 30
Coh (I love my legit Ber!)
Titans/Tstroke (Both 200%, Thanks to MYK for the perfect Titans)
SS/Whistan
Loh (Need to get some 2/20 FR gloves)
Manald (Yeah.....)
Tgod's
220/20 Raven
13/13 Treks
2 Java Gc's
20/10 Necro Torch (Again, yeah....)
She outputs 5.4ish CS, with 2.5ish Fury at -18 res (33 on switch). 1,600 Life before BO, ~50% or so D/A/E, 43%DR, Max res with a wee bit of stack, Cold absorb, Light Absorb, Max block, A good chuck of ED% (Fear's CSing around IM...) and is quite safe to play. I just need to up the Titan's for better leech, get a better ML ring, preferably with FR and Dex, and get her a Zon torch and Anni and she will be complete.
She kills very fast even in P8 Hell. I was taking on Eld and Shenk with ease in Bob's Baal's yesterday, anything not taking down by Fury, gots a swift CS! I'm hoping to get a Zon torch soon for either an Ist or an Um. Or I only need one more Hate key till I can Uber again for that hopefully 20/20 Zon torch (One can wish). So yeah, I wasn't playing in Normal.
As you can see, with all that, it shouldn't be a wonder as to why she is "fun".
ps zinc, if you dont have a tstroke, Ive a couple extra and can gib you one to try.
Or he can check the xbananax mules for the 4+ ones I have donated >_>
xXxfunbobxXx
25-01-2008, 07:41
i have some 2/20 gloves
and i ahve alotta pairs of tstroeks if u need one zinc
they dont ahve any good mod tho so there like free if u want em
if hate key is the one th summoner drops, then i've got one
come back zinc
25-01-2008, 20:41
Now that this has been threadjacked...
I've got Titan's, Tgods, Valky wing, Peace, etc. The valk is lev 25, and I've got a tolerable strafe on switch. I've had the unique Matriarchals drop twice already, both with +4, but I hate having to pay for more javs.
I think the problem may be my unwillingness to use CS. I've got some ethereal gear on (the eth wing I pulled of the bananamules, thanks someone, and the peace is in a 1060 D eth armor) so I play like a caster and basically never get near the front lines unless it's a boss. I also tend not to group them as this will draw lots of ranged attacks which could potentially hurt my armor (or me... lol).
Psssh... Newb Zons
This be how it's done:
5/40 Blue Javelins (mucho love jugz)
Andy's Face w/ 15 IAS/fire res jewel
Legit CoH Dusk
2/20 24 light res 22 fire res 20 mf gloves
15/15 treks
TGod's
2 Zon skills/11 Dex/7 res all ammy
Mana Leech/Str/Res Rings (one str one dex actually)
4x Facet Monarch for Baal himself - or -
Sanctuary Hyperion for everything else
3/16/16 zon torch and 17/20/6 anni (both self-found)
Only one Jav skiller, everything else is Vita or Vita/res
Maxed block, 1992 life before BO, 7100 CS damage, maxed resists with Mephy's conviction on and perhaps my favorite part: the 95 IAS Breakpoint for CS...
She's the only character I haven't semi-stripped at the moment, and I love that she doesn't use Griff's so I feel she's semi-unique
Cheers
-Tai
P.S. I'm sure I'm not helping the OT-ness of this...
Yeah, thanks a lot guys...when I asked about fun chars, I really didn't want to know ideas for what I would enjoy playing, I wanted to hear you talk about how good your zons are. :tongue:
come back zinc
25-01-2008, 21:32
My FC bear is fun.
It was my first build. YogiMcBear the 1st died to NM council at lev 58, but rebuilding him was just as enjoyable as the first time. FC pretty much tears through everything until Hell, and at that point your Merc can help you plod along. The high life (shift + oak) means that you have a decent safety net in case bad things start happening (and they have, I've been below 10% life on a few occassions).
It's also fun when people get scared of you because of something as simple as the Druid title (Oh NO! A Windy!).
If you're ever with a group, your Oak Sage means people will put up with you doing stupid things. Plus you have ShockWave for crowd control, which can be a great way to learn in HC. When something comes running at you fast you can stun it and take your time killing the damn thing. This can be a lifesaver. It also gives you a chance to check out a unique's mods and, if the unique is too strong, you can just SW his pack and keep moving; they'll stay stunned and unable to give chase.
And last, but not least: Bears are kickass.
Yeah, thanks a lot guys...when I asked about fun chars, I really didn't want to know ideas for what I would enjoy playing, I wanted to hear you talk about how good your zons are. :tongue:
That's what I figured.
MasterMynd
25-01-2008, 22:43
I vote Double Throw/Frenzy Barb for "most fun".
But yeah, without pretty godly gear, they don't do well in Hell. I never did get my SC one past Hell Ancients, despite dual Gimmershreds, Arreats, and all the other "best I had" stuff. (Although that inability is probably actually due to a haphazard build that was not planned but just "grew".)
Yeah, thanks a lot guys...when I asked about fun chars, I really didn't want to know ideas for what I would enjoy playing, I wanted to hear you talk about how good your zons are. :tongue:
could of said that!
I get bored wiht Javas, they are too easy but I never had the will to try a poison one, or some bow/java hybrid.
Strafe is fun, elements are fun, combos are fun but none are real powerful. Dexazon is fun just on the edge of death constantly, did one in SC and she was fun.
well i vote frostmaiden i like seeing the enemies shatter and melt away
I was just giving you guys a hard time, fyi, don't know if sarcasm comes across all that well... It's interesting that nobody mentioned any druid builds, at least not that I remember. Are there any fun druid builds? Anything other than a zealot for pally that's fun?
come back zinc
26-01-2008, 00:16
I was just giving you guys a hard time, fyi, don't know if sarcasm comes across all that well... It's interesting that nobody mentioned any druid builds, at least not that I remember. Are there any fun druid builds? Anything other than a zealot for pally that's fun?
May I direct you to post #21... :flowers:
i've made some druids and never really finished them. i got a high level windy i dunno if i like him much. hunters would be fun but they aren't really good (yes before someone goes off on me i do have a level 76 hunter)
AgentMarth
26-01-2008, 00:58
A Ribby Fury druid is quite fun, and easy to do too. Just put ~65 Str in for Jalal's, and then the rest can go into Vita for nice life.
Fire druids are fun until immunes, the timing can get annoying though.
Personally, for a Paladin, I like a Hammerdin, but of course that falls under the mass slaughter thing I have. Always thought about making a Foh'er for PvM just for kicks one day. Sniping can be fun!
ZappaFan
26-01-2008, 16:28
Frenzy Barb with fast weapons and lots of life leech. Dual Lightsabre's and decent lightning resist makes him just about immune to any lightning attack. Love getting him all frenzied up and zipping all over the screen wacking stuff to pieces. :D
One of my all-time favorite characters as named Dexter_Damage, a no-dex (hence the irony in the name) Frenzier that eventually wielded dual shael'd Shaeffer's. I remember I had enough additional IAS to hit a good breakpoint. Got him up to 93 or something like that. He was definitely a go anywhere kill anything type of character. With a might merc he dealt a ton of damage.
Alas, Dexter expired or I'd still like to take him out for a spin now and again...
HelzCaretaker
26-01-2008, 18:59
my lvl 29 druid, beats higher lvl duelers and has been copied many times and they all failed to copy him properly :tongue:
AgentMarth
26-01-2008, 20:12
Alas, Dexter expired or I'd still like to take him out for a spin now and again...
Unless if Dexter was on an expired account, or you deleted him, you may be able to revive him with the next expiry conditions. If you can still see him as "Character Expired" just try to revive him.
Frenzy is fun sometimes. I was screwing around with mine fiddling with FRW. Max Frenzy, Cat's Eye, 30 FRW Boots, and Harmony lead to some FAST running.
Well, Zappa went a LONG time without playing, and he hasn't been around long enough to get a lvl 93 and let him expire this time around, so I'd assume it's too late for Dexter
I tend to like the Shout/BOer barbs.
ZappaFan
26-01-2008, 20:50
Well, Zappa went a LONG time without playing, and he hasn't been around long enough to get a lvl 93 and let him expire this time around, so I'd assume it's too late for Dexter
That would be correct... :/
catsmasher
28-01-2008, 06:56
I got away from barbs in 1.10 after the possibility of IM in the WSK and throne became an issue, but now after having gotten fairly tired of the cookie cutter builds I'm going back to barbs with a Frenzy/Mace-Iron Skin-Natural Resist combo that's been fun so far.
I'm also trying an old fave, a throw barb, who I am sure will die in spectacular fashion.
A furysin, not the "warrior monk" as Pest suggested, more of a "ghost" build. Basiclly a trapper with strong shadow skills.
Furywolf, great fun. I had one just before the reset, equip'd with Infernosrides. He got knocked back to human only once in NM. He didn't test Galeb though.:wink3: Pretty much unkillable (not dying = fun).
Witchyzon, nuff said.:cloud9:
A Ribby Fury druid is quite fun, and easy to do too. Just put ~65 Str in for Jalal's, and then the rest can go into Vita for nice life.
Fire druids are fun until immunes, the timing can get annoying though.
Personally, for a Paladin, I like a Hammerdin, but of course that falls under the mass slaughter thing I have. Always thought about making a Foh'er for PvM just for kicks one day. Sniping can be fun!
Hey marth, I've never played a hammerdin, used to play a lot of pallys (fanat zealot or chargadins). I've basically been trying to figure out what my main playable char will be, and I'm kinda leaning towards making a hammerdin. I just found a vex, and since I really don't have any other gear other than what you guys gave me, do you think I'd be better off trying to trade it to get some gear for a hammerdin, or should I save it and make the hoto for him?
PestInReace
28-01-2008, 16:56
I just found a vex, and since I really don't have any other gear other than what you guys gave me, do you think I'd be better off trying to trade it to get some gear for a hammerdin, or should I save it and make the hoto for him?
I would go for a hoto if you dont have one already. Its really nice to make your own runewords, especially if they get good rolls. Make one and hope for a 40% :thumbsup:
Krazeyivan
28-01-2008, 17:00
I had a healer build pally for the KTA European session - Run around with a Nice Insight and some Pumped Holy Bolt - quite a laugh. In Hell - you sort of help your Merc complete the game rather than him help u!
You do look forward to CS unlike most of the melee builds....
and an "Ambulancadin" is not a bad idea - but thats a PvP build - still is fun
Hammerdins can be fun if you dont mind getting to the point where things arent really challenging in the end. Growing one up is actually the fun, not having what you want and still getting it done. but once you load him up with gear and +skills especially in small games its jsut instant carnage but beware of FEs, although a Hammerdin is "ranged" really you can end up with guys in your face very quickly and you can kill them very quickly. If you look at the DEEDS sticky here you will see many Hammerdins die in NM to FEs or Dolls or the like!
i use to love Hammerdins in 1.09 Classic, damage was adequate, you used Holy Freeze for crowd control and you were still one of the best killers, but in 1.10+ nothing kills in PvM like a Hammerdin.
PS...
Learn early how to kill things in tight situations like Maggot lair. Where does the hammer "first damage" a foe so you know how to kill in tight spots.
AgentMarth
28-01-2008, 19:11
Hey marth, I've never played a hammerdin, used to play a lot of pallys (fanat zealot or chargadins). I've basically been trying to figure out what my main playable char will be, and I'm kinda leaning towards making a hammerdin. I just found a vex, and since I really don't have any other gear other than what you guys gave me, do you think I'd be better off trying to trade it to get some gear for a hammerdin, or should I save it and make the hoto for him?
Make a Hoto. Don't trade.
That, Viper, a decent Spirit is quite good on its own. Throw in Mages/Trangs a 10 FCR ring and you are at the 125 FCR BP. Fill in the gaps how you need. With no teleport, make use of Charge to get around. Just be careful of Charge lock with Holy Shield. You could also use Guardian Angel for better block, and make up the FCR elsewere.
Like STINGER said, FE and Dolls you need to watch out for. FE usually isn't to much a problem, but when your hammers pop 2-3+ Dolls point blank, you may reach the deeds screen. Good thing they can be blocked, eh?
P.S. The hammers originate from the top left of your character, so aim accordingly.
You guys are my heroes, fyi. Thanks for the input. I didn't know whether I should make the hoto or trade the vex for the rest of the gear...but I'll hold out and make it. Does it matter what you put it in? I saw someone say flail, but do you go with a flail or knout or does it really matter?
ZappaFan
28-01-2008, 21:27
P.S. The hammers originate from the top left of your character, so aim accordingly.
I had a Hammerdin before I quit playing and seemed like you could actually sort of toss a hammer around a corner if you positioned him right... that's been a long time ago tho... lol, senility has taken it's toll on me in the mean time. :)
Definitely a fun guy to build.
You guys are my heroes, fyi. Thanks for the input. I didn't know whether I should make the hoto or trade the vex for the rest of the gear...but I'll hold out and make it. Does it matter what you put it in? I saw someone say flail, but do you go with a flail or knout or does it really matter?
Go Flail due to reqs you may want to put it on other guys with less points in stuff later.
Personally I have never used an HOTO nor have I had a 125 FCR Hammerdin! Hell 75 FCr does all I ever needed it to do but I am sure more just means better!
Also, while building him, I like 1 point Mediation, its just an old Classic way to do it as in Norm/NM if you are having any energy issues you can actually kill well with no Concentration and run Mediation full time.
The "best" way to build a Hammerdin is to start with 1 point Conc and then add to Hammers as much as possible. You can more damage by adding to it vs Conc, its just like a Charger, keep in mind first you need damage to modify before the modifier helps alot. 300% ED on 12-16 sucks compared to 160-164 at +60% basically that is 17 Conc 1 Hammer vs 17 Hammer and 1 Conc.
As for Mercs....hell you dont need one but most go Might or Holy freeze. With your Conc arura going any damage Merc is pretty strong with decent items.
AgentMarth
28-01-2008, 21:58
You guys are my heroes, fyi. Thanks for the input. I didn't know whether I should make the hoto or trade the vex for the rest of the gear...but I'll hold out and make it. Does it matter what you put it in? I saw someone say flail, but do you go with a flail or knout or does it really matter?
Make it in a flail. Less req's the better. Non-eth though that way you can use the Oak charges if you so desire, I know I enjoy the life boost.
Thanks yet again, but one last question. You said either freeze or might...but might doesn't affect the hammers, correct? Conc. is the only increased dmg aura that affects them, right?
Master Zap
28-01-2008, 23:17
Thanks yet again, but one last question. You said either freeze or might...but might doesn't affect the hammers, correct? Conc. is the only increased dmg aura that affects them, right?
Freeze or might
Freeze will give you crown control. Monsters will be slowed by about 50% , this is helpful in keeping you from being swarmed.Indirectly you take less damage since given an = time of it, they hit 50% less often.
The Might merc allows more physical damage on the merc. This allows the merc more damage which in turns kills stuff faster and allows the merc to life leach more effectively. Only Conc can increase hammer damage and it does this at 50%.
I like 2 kinds of mercs on my hammerdins
Insight weilding Holyfreeze/Defiance merc's
and
Ice Arrow Rogues using a decent bow. This is particularly Helpful around IM. With a maxed conc aura in effect and a decent bow, Rogue's hit very hard and you still get some crowd protection from Ice arrows. They tend to die much less frequently.
YMMV
AgentMarth
28-01-2008, 23:53
I personally favor the Insight/Prayer Merc combo. Never having to pot is a nice thing. Sure he ain't IM proof, but I like the regeneration off him too much. Just don't take him around IM if it bothers you.
ZappaFan
29-01-2008, 00:54
Does Holy Freeze cause monsters to shatter when they die? I don't even remember. I do remember using corpses for health/mana a lot with my Hammerdin...
Master Zap
29-01-2008, 01:08
Does Holy Freeze cause monsters to shatter when they die? I don't even remember. I do remember using corpses for health/mana a lot with my Hammerdin...
Seems like some do shatter, most of em dont.
I like prayer mercs on non pally builds. Redemption does a better job for quick life during or after a battle.
As a hammerdin there is always lots of corpses to cast a quick flash of redemption so the prayer and even med really isnt that handy in all cases. (as a respose to Shin's suggestion)
IIRC if they die from Holy Freeze arura they will/can shatter, but not many get killed by the arura.
All the old Classic Hammerdins used maxed Holy Freeze as there were no synergies and lots of points to spend after max Hammers + Max conc or Fanta (Fanta worked in Classic before 1.10). I would always get maxed Freeze, it was alot more effective than actually maxing Holy Shield which some choose to do first. i always got Mediation so when around 2-3 other Hammerdins I would leech their arura and provide the mana, or in nasty spots provide resists.
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