Shield on bvc???

[lachu]

Hey all!

Is it worth to wear a stormshield for its def and damage reduce% against melee characters despite the fact that i didnt put any points into dex?

[NLgosubarb]

if u see that u are losing from barb then wear but vs smither or caster u n 2 weapons

[mephiztophelez]

if you don't have, or can't get, some decent block with an SS it just aint worth useing it on a bvc.

a BvC will get slaughtered by a proper BvB regardless if you use a shield or not.

[jaxz]

Not worth it. for versus smiters, flash dual doomz, and ww.

For versus bvb, log off ur bvc and bring in ur nec or hdin.

[DayDream]

Just forget dueling barbs
Say no and maybe they'll understand
Building a char for one legit kind of duel isn't as fun as a bvc that goes against 90% of classes

[theheft]

i have it in my stash for when its needed, like when other barbs use a shield

and I never need a shield vs smiters since you cant block smite anway so its wasted

[NLgosubarb]

if you don't have, or can't get, some decent block with an SS it just aint worth useing it on a bvc.

a BvC will get slaughtered by a proper BvB regardless if you use a shield or not.

that's only if u fight noobs, for a real caster u n beastGrief combi or griefDoom.

[mephiztophelez]

that's only if u fight noobs, for a real caster u n beastGrief combi or griefDoom.

what on earth does this mean?

[zzzackkk]

I would say a shield isn't really ever needed with a BvC. With two weps you have like twice the hit checks or something, not really sure exactly, so if you have 50-60% block, then you would only be bringing them down to a 1-handed wep pretty much. Not only that, they would still have their beast equipped, so they would have a lot more damage than you, and since you're both WWing at the same speeds, with the same hit checks your opponent will probably win.

[NLgosubarb]

1shield 1 weapon pwns 2 weapons dont know what u guys are talking about.

[Von Lazuli]

1shield 1 weapon pwns 2 weapons dont know what u guys are talking about.

This is true. Weapon/SS versus Weapon/Weapon will usually win, 75% less hits > 50% more hitchecks. This doesn't take into account DR either.

However, the use of a Stormshield on a BvC is a different question entirely. Opponents you may need a sheild against are heavy hitting WWsins (Very very rare...) and skilled Melee Opponents (that you cant just WW away or clip, who strangely enough are also pretty rare). You essentially need to use Dual Raven, Arreats and Botd to get your Dex into acceptable ranges though, otherwise you will be stuck with ~25 Block, which isn't worth it. Even with these items, your Block will only be ~60% with an Eld'd SS. It will however make the battles a fair bit easier. It is up to you as to whether it is worth it, since most of the opponents you would use it against are very rare. Plus, you will still never beat a decent BvB with it.

Laz

[lachu]

I thought about using it with ebotdz, with it i could gain sufficient dex without switching too much equipment. Unless of course the weapon is not worth the effort...

What do you think?

[Von Lazuli]

I thought about using it with ebotdz, with it i could gain sufficient dex without switching too much equipment. Unless of course the weapon is not worth the effort...

What do you think?

Well, it depends on how much other gear you are trying to cram into your stash. If you can fit it and feel it is needed, go for it. Just the opponents against which max block is very useful are fairly rare.

[jaxz]

Do not ever use ebotdz. It is just not enough damage.

Always use griefz/beastz for a bvc. Never ever use a shield on a bvc. It is not going to work. Even bvas are not popular builds.

A properly build bvc pwnts the most godly bva/bvc with shield. Do trust me. The reason bvc lost to bvb is due to his insanely high defense.

But even I have win duels against bvbs who didn't build properly. Even a normally build bvb can lose to a properly build bvc, so please, don't ever ever use a shield on a bvc no matter what other people says.

I have lots of experience with many people and clans in us west nl. Never ever use a shield.


If you want to use a shield, then prepare to make a pure bvb, and only make him to use in barb duels only. But if you plan to play against other builds, then make a bvc and forget about using shields or fighting bvbs..

[xxxkillerxxx]

what on earth does this mean?

It means that nlgosubarb doesn't play nl and thinks doom is good vs casters lololol

[NLgosubarb]

It means that nlgosubarb doesn't play nl and thinks doom is good vs casters lololol

kid, you are 1000 years to early to reach my power lvl.
You have much 2 read

[xxxkillerxxx]

kid, you are 1000 years to early to reach my power lvl.
You have much 2 read

"k"

ps. doom blows

[zzzackkk]

With a bvc you're usually going to have way too low of block for a shield to be effective. You benefit a lot more from more damage and twice the hit checks.

If you're having trouble with bvbs and you can't stand not killing them with your bvc then load up on ow, poison, and maybe even some cb. Make sure you have your fcr gear on and start shooting that widowmaker until ow takes effect. Then, sorry to say this as it's almost a bm move but run/tele away and wait for him/her to drain. If you feel like the timing is right, and he/she isn't suspecting it, and you have enough AR to hit him/her then go ahead and move in for a quick ww. Finish them off with your bow because it would suck to wait all of that time and screw it up by trying to go for that glorious kill. (I've never really tried this, but I'm sure it would work because you play completely defensive and like the biggest chicken ever, but please don't flame me for saying this, I know it's not as fun or fair.)

[arbing]

1shield 1 weapon pwns 2 weapons dont know what u guys are talking about.

read please, ALL the people are saying that bvc should NOT waste his time to wear a ss. because bvc = barb vs. caster. When you met any half decent bvb, you lose regarding having a shield or not.

when you invest enough point for a bvc to have 75% (or decent) block rate, you gave up your life for that which makes you weaker vs. casters. The only time you REALLY need a shield is vs. other barbs... which you'll lose to anyways

[mephiztophelez]

If you're having trouble with bvbs and you can't stand not killing them with your bvc then load up on ow, poison, and maybe even some cb.

if you simply MUST try and take on a BvB with your BvC you do it like this: dracs + gores + Um'd Widowmaker + highlords (ias) + Heart of the Wolverine from a Wisp (+ a Faith merc if you have one). play defensive caster, tele away spamming GA's like mad.

oh, and pray they don't have an enigma in their stash. they catch you bowside, your totally screwed.

[xxxkillerxxx]

if you simply MUST try and take on a BvB with your BvC you do it like this: dracs + gores + Um'd Widowmaker + highlords (ias) + Heart of the Wolverine from a Wisp (+ a Faith merc if you have one). play defensive caster, tele away spamming GA's like mad.

oh, and pray they don't have an enigma in their stash. they catch you bowside, your totally screwed.

Have you tried countering that by simply using widow on your bvb with fort? I haven't but I can't see how any mobility in the world would help vs 400%+ ed guided's + maxblock switch. Widow in general really screws up bvb duels.

[mephiztophelez]

granted a widow generally turns a bvb duel into a farce. hence it's regarded as BM in GM bvb duels (on west NL at least): "it's bvb, not bvz"

when faced with a BvC useing these tactics, i just grab an eni and mow 'em down. before i stashed an enigma on my bvb, this was the only way any bvc could even begin to irritate me.

the point i was trying to make is: trying to take on a bvb with a bvc is just plain suicide.

[zzzackkk]

Yeah, I just finished my bvc yesterday and got in a lot of dueling. I came across three bvbs and decided to give it a shot. There was no hope at all. They were all using enigma against me so widow was pointless. My only hope was to run away, then tele quick whirl them and hope to land a hit. I got close once, but that's it.

[Xombie]

kid, you are 1000 years to early to reach my power lvl.
You have much 2 read

oh my god

*saves this quote forever*

LOL

[xxxkillerxxx]

oh my god

*saves this quote forever*

LOL

I am inferior. Period. ^^