What amulet to put on a frenzier

[erzk]

I'm playing on EuScl and the recent days I pumped a frenzier to lvl 80...

I tried out partial IK to begin with, gloves, belt boots. Now I've changed to dracs, dungo, gores.

Armor is forti and helm is Arreats.

I'm unsing a Grief PB and a Death Col Sword and i don't afford changing my swords. Grief has +36ias...

I put on dual ravenfrost for the dex on the phase blade is so high...

I don't know about amulet yet. Do I need more ias like cat's eye or highlords. Or maybe I can go for atma's or something?

Are there any crafted amulets that would go good with this build?

Thanks for any help,
Erzk

[Painman]

Highlord's is a choice amulet for most pure melee builds. IAS plus Deadly Strike per clvl. You can hardly go wrong with it. It'll increase your damage output nicely.

[phool]

Highlords... maybe atmas if you wanted to do something a little different. With different gloves in that case, I'd go for some crafted blood ones or something like loh anyway frenziers shouldn't need more leech and for general pvm it doesn't really matter how much % ow you have as long as you've got some.

[illestkhmai]

I'd agree with Highlords, can't go wrong with those mods.

[AnimeCraze]

I don't like the prospect of mixing dracs and atma's. CtC curses overriding each other is too hard to control.

[Doppel]

Things depend on your frenzy level, if its level 20 then you need 50 more ias to reach last breakpoint (5fpa), if its level 30 then you need 40 more ias to reach last bp and if its level 40 then you need 35 more IAS.
Atleast try and reach frenzy level 23 (otherwise you are stuck with the difficult to reach 45+ more IAS needed, unless that Death runeword was in a Colossus Blade)
But optimum would be to have frenzy of level 36 and put on highlords and 15 ias in arreats or even better death in a CB and reach level 31 frenzy so that you only need 30 more ias wich can come from ias belt plus ias amulet or amulet plus ias arreat or 2 iased CoA and so on.

Gloves are ofcourse reserved for the dracs.

[Spankeh]

Gloves are ofcourse reserved for the dracs.

Come off it, for general pvm you got to joking...
For a first timer in ubers yeah definately, but otherwise lifetap can go die with the dodo.

[Doppel]

Hmm, he specified dracs, so i guess he indeed will go ubering.
Plus (and this is important) its not because EVERYONE USES DRACS that its better to use other gloves, actually i don't bother what everyone does, BUT when i find Dracs then please let me use them on my frenzier because they are without a doubt the absolute best gloves you could think of to use on a frenzy built.
Why?
Simple:
Frenzy = speed + lifeleech + many damage mods.
The faster you and go and the more lifeleech you have and the more damage mods (like crushing blow or deadly strike, etc,..) you have the faster you kill and the less likely you will die.

Lets look at Dracs:

Defense: 125-145 (Base Defense: 56-65)
Required Level: 76
Required Strength: 50
Durability: 14
+90-120% Enhanced Defense (varies)
+10-15 To Strength (varies)
+5-10 Life After Each Kill (varies)
25% Chance of Open Wounds
7-10% Life Stolen Per Hit (varies)
5% Chance To Cast Level 10 Life Tap On Striking
(Only Spawns In Patch 1.10 or later)

Are you seeing the same mods as i am?
There are no better gloves for a frenzier, apart from maybe some godly rare/crafted ones (good luck finding/making that)

Seriously, show me an alternative that even comes close to how godly dracs are on a frenzier.

[phool]

General pvm.

Really not hard to get better blood gloves. OW is obsolete from gores (weak stuff dies too fast for OW to matter, on bosses OW triggers plenty early enough on 15% chance), life tap is useless (1 decent dual leech ring with decent damage is loads) to worse than useless (no reaper's on merc =/ With all the off weapon %ed you have already, decrep owns some more from conc or w/e) except vs unleechables.

Blood gloves can spawn 5% ll 10% CB and 4 of: 15 str; 15 dex; 20% IAS; and dual 30 res, forget godly, merely high rolls on the guaranteed mods and 2 decent others will often be superior, laying of hands have a massive +350% damage to demons (demons are generally some of the the toughest monsters - think corpulents and venom lords as well as all act bosses) as well as 50 fres and 20 IAS, steelrend get some hate but for a titan barb they're very nice indeed. I've tried lavagout too for enchant but it doesn't make much after beast frenzy and weapon mastery, shouldn't need to worry about ar anyway except perhaps ubers.

Draculs are very nice if you're on a small budget and very good for ubers but otherwise leave them in the stash.

[erzk]

I'll go craft me some blood gloves ;-)

Gambled this amulet though:
2barb
6ml
6ll
15@ res
25light res
75 poison length reduced

Can't keep away from it hehe - postponed highlords

The Death is in a Colossus Sword, not blade... I have the grief pb in the other hand with +36ias, do I need additional IAS from items? I thought only one sword counted in frenzy.

/Erzk

[Doppel]

Lets forget unleechable undead shall we. :rolleyes:

Laying of hands really is useless, everything normally needs to die fast enough already.

If you have godly gloves (and i'm sorry but 10% CB, 15 strength, 15 dex, 5% ll, 20 IAS, duel 30 res, is as godly as gloves will EVER get) then use them, don't come crying when you die from a couple of unleechables though.
So even then dracs trump them.

Do you really need duel 30 res? Not when not pvping.
Do you really need that 15 extra dex? Not when not pvping
Do you really need the IAS? Not when not pvping (and thus not using verdungos)
The lifeleech is marginal compared to dracs.
The 10% cb doesn't compare to the 25% OW from dracs.
So why are dracs still the absolute best pvm gloves imo?
Because they offer something that even godly rare/crafted gloves or anything apart from some RW's (wich will not be adviced to be used) do not offer, namely lifetap.
Add in all the other juicy mods and there simply is no gloves better then dracs, sorry.
Steelrend is TOTALLY useless here, i'm bedazzled you even bring them up.
Worst gloves for a frenzier ever.

I don't care wether or not everyone out there uses dracs, even when they don't complement their built, dracs are without a doubt the best frenzy gloves (if you reach last bp without 20 IAS gloves, wich i strongly advice to try and achieve)

[sirwhere]

Disagree. I think laying is better for frenzy because it gives you

- huge demon bonus (& strongest monsters are demons)
- 20% ias, which can be real handy
- nice fire resist
- lets you use some backup curse like decrep or amplify

Dracs give you life tap, but you won't need it in 99,9% of pvm situations. And if/when you do, you can always cast it from a WAND, no?

Dracs is more of a pvp item, where the open wounds and +str can be quite important.

[Doppel]

I always have two echoing sticks on switch, plus if you need the IAS then yes laying of hands is great, but if you don't then i rather have dracs on, it casts lifetap like all the time and you rarely need to worry about dying, even potting.
For me frenzy is about hitting as hard and fast as you can with asmuch lifeleech as you can have.
I also don't agree with the backup ctc argument, if your merc wears a reaper then decrep would be on monsters like almost all the time, i don't see the problem with lifetap overiding that once in a while to ensure your lifeleech.
Same with amp wich would then come from Lacerators (great weapon, although not as great as the other RW combos) or the amulet (wich i would advice against using, highlords is the main amulet to use imo)
Casting lifetap from a wand is fair enough, but extremely cumbersome imo. (rather goes against the point of a frenzier)
My main argument still are undead, for example gloams and their kind, i can pretty much fearlessly run into any pack and swing away running from one to another.
The most feared enemies are undead, imo.
Anyways, my preference are dracs (when i don't need the IAS) and either crafted/rare/laying of hands when i do need that extra IAS (wich you normaly shouldn't need when you plan ahead, unless in some rare cases)

[RibGriller]

I used to argue for dracs too, but have since been using only Loh. It's pretty simple actually. If you want to be ~100% invincible in all situations without having to think a whole lot (sometimes I tune out the game when I'm re-running areas), use dracs.

For maximum damage potential, use Loh or some crafted CB gloves.

Back on topic:

For Grief/Death, I suggest going with 65% ias (Highlords, Loh, dmg/ias jewel in helm, and Nos coil) even though you need only 35-40 ias to hit 5 fpa. The reason is that you'll "charge up" your frenzy speed alot faster.

But don't take my word for it, try it yourself. Run around a while with Grief/Lawbringer (or CMoon) pb, then go back to Grief/Death, and you will see the light!

[Armandhammer]

I've just started playing Barbs and have always been a little confused as to what weapon, in general, goes over the glove side, the one with the faster speed or the one with the most IAS?? With the Grief/Death combo, I'm thinking Grief over the glove... How about a combo like LW/BOTD??? Any other thoughts on this subject???

[stephan]

Since only the IAS from the on-hand weapon counts, you equip the weapon with the highest IAS first and on the glove side. So in your examples Grief and BotD should be equiped on the glove side.

[Armandhammer]

Great, thanks..