View Full Version : 2 Questions: Bows and Getting Drops
Metalkon
07-01-2008, 13:36
Question 1: Are bows like this really soj worthy?
Last night some rich player was showing me his stuff and one of the items that he had was a 22-24 razor bow with high minimum damage mods and an amazon skill, he told me it was worth an soj because such bows attack 4 times for every 1 time that a heavy crossbow type weapon attacks or something. I dont know but can somebody fill me in on how these bows work? I just found a similar bow off hell andariel(composite, amazon skill and 20-21 damage but has cold dmg)
I do not know much about bows, I have been throwing away +1/+2 bows for days because they had low damage. :lipsrsealed:
Question 2: Getting Best Drops
I have recently made a Hell Meph/Andy Glitching Sorc and I have had players who are saying that poppers give better drops than glitchers and that glitchers are a waste of time compared to poppers and stuff. Basicly, is a glitching sorc the better way or are poppers the better item finders(hell mode travincal?)?
My Sorceress kills Andy/Meph very easily but it does take awhile to find those boss's before the map hacking glitchers barge in stealing your kill in your own "free for wait" game where the poppers can just kill the council who are 20 feet from the waypoint and are easy with good resistance. I have been killing Hell Mephisto since like lv39 or something even though it was slow at those levels. Is my luck bad or is Lv60 too low to get many items that are worth even more than a Gull?
I have only started playing again a month ago for the first time since 2001 and all those free sojs and gg martels that I got weeks ago wont keep me geared up on multiple characters forever so I have to start gearing myself. I traded off most of my sojs very cheap untill I realised their actual value a couple weeks back because of no/less duping so I am a little dissapointed there. :P
Last night some rich player was showing me his stuff and one of the items that he had was a 22-24 razor bow with high minimum damage mods and an amazon skill, he told me it was worth an soj because such bows attack 4 times for every 1 time that a heavy crossbow type weapon attacks or something. I dont know but can somebody fill me in? I just found a similar bow off hell andariel(composite, amazon skill and 20-21 damage but has cold dmg)
I do not know much about bows, I have been throwing away +1/+2 bows for days because they had low damage. :lipsrsealed:
+2 22-24 razor is not soj worth imo. Not even if it had 20 ias (its needed to reach 8 frames on classic). That kind of bow would only be usable for an elemantal zon. Most of the time they better off with wizendraw (up to -35 vs cold) anyway. Every razor or double with +2 20 ias servers the same as his 22-24. Dmg (min included is so low that even if the actually arrow hits, it won't fill the mana pulp enough to be of any use...
For a pvp Ga zon the dmg is way too low. So no worries, you haven't lost anything valuable for not having picked those kind of bows up...
For a general rule you should pick up bows/ weapons only if they have 150ed or more. Prior that they have hardly any value. Maybe personal value, if you dont have any better :evil:
Metalkon
07-01-2008, 14:15
Alright that makes me feel better. xD
I have added more to my post there also.
Q 2)
Its a matter of taste. Those who have had better luck with popper vouch for popper and those who have gotten gg items from memph glitching argue for the glitcher. Bottom line is that both work. I dont like doing andy at all so when i'm not glitching diablo i tend to make priv games with gf barb and memph glitcher. Glither teleports to memph, kills it leaves portal open. Barb kills trav and gets the sorcs portal and kills & pops rest of the council look-a-likes down durance 3. Many build both to get some variation.
I do trav for gold to gamble so i wear more gf gear than mf gear... Still kill is like 180 mf and popping with 380 naturally. If i had to choose i would take trav barb, since glitching is more boring to me.
Worth of notice is that you can start glitching memph much earlier than doing trav runs. So as a first char i would recommend glitcher to get deacent items faster.
As a sidenote, if u can get 3 chars to the game you can level a partied member who stands in the house the wayport is located (corner clousest to travi) at the same time. For example i leveled my pvp bone nec from 60 to 70 this way at same time as i mfed. One just have to lure council members bit closer to the way point. To compensate with the time lost luring, you could use High level paladin with conc aura (2 amu 2 shield 2 scepter 2 sojs ) The range you get for the aura is pretty near to the range u need to lure council in order to exp with third char... And you get nice dmg boost on your mart, making council a walk in a park.
Edit: Character level does not affect drops. Only monster level, so basically you have just been unlucky.
Its same as in real life. Work hard and you get rewarded. Do 100 runs a day. Everyday for the rest of your life :azn:
Metalkon
07-01-2008, 15:21
I only have 1 computer that can run Diablo 2 since the other computer was a ripoff, so unless there is some other way then I can only play 1 character at a time.
How different is the drop rate comparing a private game to a 5+ player public game with competition for meph/andy? I know that you get better drops but I just do not know how much better that they will be. It is a real pain in the lower backside when those map hacking glitchers steal it from me and sometimes hostile/kill me when I ask them to leave my own game(free4wait kind of thing).
YOu can run multiple diablo games in one computer without third party progs (loaders). You just have to have more copies of the game and use a feature called rapid account switch (if u got windows xp). There is a nice guide on community forum, that explains how to do it. Very easy to follow the guide. Just use the search function...
Unpartied members give full exp bonus but count only as 1/2 for drops. Drops arent better in quality... Only more in quantity. More the merrier thought. So getting into a cs run, where you are the eight member of the game is good for everyone. None needs to leave party for dia kill and you get nice drops and exp from memph alone.
GOod strategy for 1 char is to do memph glitching when you got nice cs run going and trav runs when no good games are up. with gf barb you can get roughly 150-350 in one person games and kill much faster than in full games. SO for gf purposis 1 person games are okay. If you have a friend you could do priv games together. The other kills memph and andy & leaves portal open for you to kill in dura 3 after he has killed memph. Or the other way around...
If you are having hard time vs mh glitchers, maybe you should build your glitcher like i did mine (posted it today in the andy thread). Works just as good, but is bit more expensive. Basically, i suggest that you Build it for pvp with 1 in static (since glitcher does not need mf its convenient) and hostile the other sorc(s). Actually its good to have them around, since you will get nice piles of gold from them. They usually loaded with money. Piles can be bigger than you can carry. SOmetimes they so carelss that you can wait and kill him twice if u want more cash and make the point go into his thick skull that you own memph in the that particular cs run he tries to sneak in. Even if they find the memph faster you certainly have made your way there before they have actually killed it to reap rewards :wink2:.
Metalkon
07-01-2008, 16:36
Well this is my sorceress right now in Hell Mode :azn:
Lv60
50 Strength
250+ Vit (off memory)
6xx Life (off memory)
??? Mana (i dont remember lol)
85 FR
83 CR
85 LR
83 PR
Ice Bolt 20
Frozen Orb 20
Cold Mastery 10
Teleport 7-9
Warmth 3
Static 0 (lol)
Other Skills 1
Shard
Twitchthroe
Iratha Set
The Ward (48 Res All)
Tearhauch (Cheap and covers resistance)
10% FCR Rings (nothing special but 1 has a lil fr and the other has a lil lr)
Even if they find the memph faster you certainly have made your way there before they have actually killed it to reap rewards :wink2:.
While I am most certainly not known as a pvp expert, I am one of the higher level glitchers on east. Aside from the full irathra's, I keep a very high tri-rez armor in the cube, have a seriously stacked bone shield on at all times, and from time to time will glitch whilst wearing hot spurs.
I've been taken down once, prior to my shield+spurs by a fball/meteor sorc that hostiled me, and was waiting on the dur2 wp dropping bombs on me. A noobish act on my part to assume that said sorc wasn't in a1 when she hostiled me. *Shrug*
since then I havent' had any issues - but then most glitchers are lower level and don't think to hostile me, as they assume I'm part of the CS... that being said, rest assured I'd plan on camping at the stairs from dur2 to dur3 if hostiled by a sorc in the future. :thumbsup:
final thought, I usually am also the sole glitcher in a series of cs runs. the lvl 9x folks in the runs don't mind me tagging along on the run so long as they have a teleporter/seal popper in their party already.
WretchedOtis
07-01-2008, 19:39
Well this is my sorceress right now in Hell Mode :azn:
Lv60
50 Strength
250+ Vit (off memory)
6xx Life (off memory)
??? Mana (i dont remember lol)
85 FR
83 CR
85 LR
83 PR
Ice Bolt 20
Frozen Orb 20
Cold Mastery 10
Teleport 7-9
Warmth 3
Static 0 (lol)
Other Skills 1
Shard
Twitchthroe
Iratha Set
The Ward (48 Res All)
Tearhauch (Cheap and covers resistance)
10% FCR Rings (nothing special but 1 has a lil fr and the other has a lil lr)
I'm a glitcher, as I'm pretty sure you recognize my name - you probably already knew this ;)
I can't speak to how good popping is - but I can tell you as a glitcher - in the approx. 2 months I've been playing I've amassed close to 10 sojs from trading found items - and having had 1 soj drop for me. So obviously the rewards of glitching are evidant.
There is a great article/guide written by Akukami that can be found within these forums for Orb Glitchers. I can see you are not too far off his formula, so maybe peruse it and go from there.
As for your complaints of people with the maphack, well really the only solution is to find and use 1 yourself. Either that or be content in the knowledge that you don't cheat when others do. There IS a bit of a trick for finding the entrance to Meph without using any hacks. If you study the square outline around the WP, you'll eventually notice that it usually kind of points the way.
One thing I find is that more often than not people are fairly reasonable - and a sort of truce can be negotiated with other glitchers - stay outta my way and I'll stay out of yers. That sort of thing. Of course, it all depends on how reasonable you are yourself. It should also be noted that unless you make a private game - really there is nothing you can do to stop others from swooping in and trying to take your drops if they are so inclined. Save for Host them and make them leave nk (if your good enough!).
One thing I find is that more often than not people are fairly reasonable - and a sort of truce can be negotiated with other glitchers - stay outta my way and I'll stay out of yers. That sort of thing. Of course, it all depends on how reasonable you are yourself. It should also be noted that unless you make a private game - really there is nothing you can do to stop others from swooping in and trying to take your drops if they are so inclined. Save for Host them and make them leave nk (if your good enough!).
Thanks Bri/Nicole for pointing this out. I had meant to cover part of this as well. I should point out that we each have each other /f listed as a result of bumping into each other in a game and comparing notes, rather than coming off all hot -headed and cussing each other out for trying to steal the kill/drops.
This season I have my glitcher, and my din. period. the glitcher is one way I very quickly farm gold from selling items for my much higher level din to gamble.
while my glitcher has not been as profitable as 'otis' nor even as profitable as last season's glitcher it too amassed soj worth items much faster than my pvm mart/popper barb ever did/could. Including two of my highest damage weapons ever - both were lances far in excess of 300 dmg - which admitedly seem to be much more frequently dropping this season compared to last.
Metalkon
07-01-2008, 20:47
I'm a glitcher, as I'm pretty sure you recognize my name - you probably already knew this ;)
Yeah I remember you, killed me for andariel while I was refilling my belt after i asked you to leave since ya took out mephisto a couple times in my earlier games that I made before me. :wink3:
Anyways(its only a game), could you please tell me a little bit more on how the waypoint platform shows where to go? I based my characters build around that guys setup but I prefer a good Ward over a socketed shield by far for only 5 extra strength. :wink:
WarlockCC
07-01-2008, 21:53
Anyways(its only a game), could you please tell me a little bit more on how the waypoint platform shows where to go?
This might help :
http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=489332
Well this is my sorceress right now in Hell Mode :azn:
Lv60
50 Strength
250+ Vit (off memory)
6xx Life (off memory)
??? Mana (i dont remember lol)
85 FR
83 CR
85 LR
83 PR
Ice Bolt 20
Frozen Orb 20
Cold Mastery 10
Teleport 7-9
Warmth 3
Static 0 (lol)
Other Skills 1
Shard
Twitchthroe
Iratha Set
The Ward (48 Res All)
Tearhauch (Cheap and covers resistance)
10% FCR Rings (nothing special but 1 has a lil fr and the other has a lil lr)
That build should work. Couple of wasted points in warmth but you can live with it, since its just a glitcher. Just add 1 to static next time you level.
Personally, i max cold mastery before icebolt.
Remember that when it comes to duel its no use to have 85 cold res if you cant stack it high with cr. If you dont want to start a new sorc with pvp build. You could just go lame and get 3 socked sapphire shield. Change twich to cold res armor maybe even hawkmail. Quaff thaws and juvs and just nail the bugger. Anyway, lv 60 is too low for that so get your self a friend who helps you to level your glitcher to 80. And make a stand. You own the memph (if you were there first, otherwise he owns it ...). ANd get yourself better boots. Resistances do stack...
If you are on east like goomba, maybe you should memorize his account and leave his 85 lv glitcher alone. For the moment atleast :)
WretchedOtis
08-01-2008, 20:23
could you please tell me a little bit more on how the waypoint platform shows where to go?
Well admiitedly, I'm not the brightest guy in the world - but Warlock's post pointing to map technique seemed a little difficult to decipher for me. I'm sure its probably more accurate than the technique I use, but in simple terms this is what I do.
Essentially, I look carefully at the small square around the WP, and you will notice it is slightly off center to the WP. So I take note of where the largest gap of space is, and assume if I follow the wall around in that direction, I'll eventually come to the entrance. Now it doesn't always work - and sometimes you'll come across the entrance to Dura1 instead. If thats the case I try to think of the whole map in my mind, and goto what would seem to be the opposite end of it compared to the entrance to Dura1.
After awhile of this, I noticed I was having fairly good success at finding it. Truthfully, its almost more of a feeling for me than anything else. I just kinda follow my instincts. More often than not using this technique I am able to keep up with CS runs - unless they are very quick.
If you are on east like goomba, maybe you should memorize his account and leave his 85 lv glitcher alone. For the moment atleast :)
:laugh: :thumbsup:
I confess to not being an uber pvp player as I never really took the time to bother too much with it - too many people using hacks that I shan't name that add a significant competitive advantage.
that being said, if I'm hostiled whilst in mid flight rest assured I'll be waiting by the stairs to level 3 to rain down some very cold rain, as well as having a nasty blast ready to spam :thumbsup:
more often that not, I get someone flitting in at the last moment that manages to snag 1-3 of the 5, or 6 rares that falls and there's really not much for me to do about it at that point. *Shrug*
oh, and my semester has started back up so my playing time will be significantly cut over the next couple of months. I fully expect that otis will surpass my glitcher's level relatively soon.
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