View Full Version : godly Gold finding Barbarian build
Vindicator
16-12-2007, 10:11
I will keep things short, i don't really like reading long forums, and i am assuming neither do you.
strategy
The main purpose of this Character is to have the highest possible gold find, without being impractical. since the mercenary is going to do all the killing while you hop around like a bunny stunning the council members( i recommend only doing Travincal, because it takes the least amount of time, remember not to assess the efficiency of your gold finder by how much gold he gets, but by gold find/ time.). For example my gold finder[on average] takes 1 minute to kill all the council on Travincal, and gets on average 350,000 gold.
Please Remember that you are there to boost your mercenary up, and get him as strong as possible, so he can kill the council quickly, and while he does that, you are item finding.
Equipment
Helm: lem'd crown of thieves
Gloves: Chance guards
Rings: 2 dwarf stars(you are going to be either doing trav. or durance of hate 3)
Amulet: gf amulet
Weapon: lem’d Alibaba/ other option is two 6 socketed lem'd crystal swords *shudders*, have fun trying to get all those lem's, lol.
Shield: none
Boots: gold finding boots
Skill tree:
Leap- 1 point into leap
Shout- max
Battle orders- max
Natural resistance- max
Find item- max
Attributes:
-Strength: minimum possible
-Dex.: minimum possible
-Energy: none
-vitality: the rest
Inventory:
Greeds-
Life scs
Gold find sc/gc’s- gold find grand charms can have 40% gold find which for the space it occupies is totally better than 10%, which is the maximum i have seen for small charms(correct me if i am wrong of course).
Mercenary:
helm: Vampire Gaze is probably the best(preferably w/ a 15/40 jewel in it).If you want to boost your gold find, crown of thieves, but the gold find on your barbarian, will more than suffice.
Armor- Fortitude... no other option is going to work well
weapon: Well any ebotd pike/great poleaxe (I use this because it has a high attack speed)/ lol, do i need to keep going?
this is the build
Didn't you say godly? Where are the dual eth 5os runemasters with a zod+4 lems :)
You're also missing Wealth runeword as the armor.
Maxing gold find on the merc is rather useful as well, a lem'd eth CoT is the way to go, vgaze has DR, but the extra GF makes up for it.
Hmm
You forgot wealth and in wich armor to put it.
No other option then Forti will work? Please, Stone in a high def bugged eth armor will make your merc reach 40 k def after shout, and its a hella cheaper then a forti.
Why would you ever (and i mean EVER) use an ebotd on your merc (I MEAN WHY?), use an eth bonehew with two amns, again its hella cheaper and almost as effective.
And since you are a goldfinder there is no reason to not use a crown of thieves on your merc. You also forgot to mention wich merc to use, answer is a might merc.
If talking about godly goldfind then you won't mind me telling you the most godly headpiece for a gf barb wich is a 2 sox 80 gf 2barb/3warcries lemlem'd circlet.
The boots you need are infernostrides, no mere gf ones.
You also forgot the belt, namely goldwrap.
You also forgot to mention echoing weapons on switch wich will greatly help boosting your warcries. (you can just shop them, there really is absolutely no reason to not make use of the +6 warcry it provides)
Another thing, please don't max find item, its useless after all plus skill gear.
A way better option is to invest your points in warcry, it will make your life and that of your merc that much easyer.
Your tactics department isn't that great either.
First bc, bo, shout and bc with echoing weapons on, run to council warcry and battlecry them, then warcy some more trying to get them all stunned and battlecried (it lasts a good 6 seconds, thats long and gives you and your merc plenty of time and ease to deal with them, battlecry greatly reduces their damage and defense, so no need for that vamp gaze, and if they somehow still manage to get some hits in then most will be negated by your mercs extreme high defense and if not the 60% faster hit recovery)
You also don't need to max Natural resistance either, the gear you have on and the amount of life you have is well enough to resist and absorb the hydras and the ocassional lightning/cold enchanted council members.
If they do have a conviction aura, then gtfo, its not worth it, even with max res.
I also hope you don't leave the occasional rare or unique item on the floor, or drop charms take items and tp to town and back again.
Just make sure you have some room in your inventory and the cube and an identifying tome, take items and save and quit, sell them at your next game, thats easely another 60k there with the occasional item you want to keep.
Hmm
You forgot wealth and in wich armor to put it.
No other option then Forti will work? Please, Stone in a high def bugged eth armor will make your merc reach 40 k def after shout, and its a hella cheaper then a forti.
Why would you ever (and i mean EVER) use an ebotd on your merc (I MEAN WHY?), use an eth bonehew with two amns, again its hella cheaper and almost as effective.
And since you are a goldfinder there is no reason to not use a crown of thieves on your merc. You also forgot to mention wich merc to use, answer is a might merc.
If talking about godly goldfind then you won't mind me telling you the most godly headpiece for a gf barb wich is a 2 sox 80 gf 2barb/3warcries lemlem'd circlet.
The boots you need are infernostrides, no mere gf ones.
You also forgot the belt, namely goldwrap.
You also forgot to mention echoing weapons on switch wich will greatly help boosting your warcries. (you can just shop them, there really is absolutely no reason to not make use of the +6 warcry it provides)
Another thing, please don't max find item, its useless after all plus skill gear.
A way better option is to invest your points in warcry, it will make your life and that of your merc that much easyer.
Your tactics department isn't that great either.
First bc, bo, shout and bc with echoing weapons on, run to council warcry and battlecry them, then warcy some more trying to get them all stunned and battlecried (it lasts a good 6 seconds, thats long and gives you and your merc plenty of time and ease to deal with them, battlecry greatly reduces their damage and defense, so no need for that vamp gaze, and if they somehow still manage to get some hits in then most will be negated by your mercs extreme high defense and if not the 60% faster hit recovery)
You also don't need to max Natural resistance either, the gear you have on and the amount of life you have is well enough to resist and absorb the hydras and the ocassional lightning/cold enchanted council members.
If they do have a conviction aura, then gtfo, its not worth it, even with max res.
I also hope you don't leave the occasional rare or unique item on the floor, or drop charms take items and tp to town and back again.
Just make sure you have some room in your inventory and the cube and an identifying tome, take items and save and quit, sell them at your next game, thats easely another 60k there with the occasional item you want to keep.
As persponse:
Forti is ur best choice, Stone will work but will not kill quicker. Its all about the quickness. Ofcourse Stone is cheaper, but Forti is a real investment here.
eBOTD GPA/Ghost spear is one of the best options. The speed, the damage and the life leech is just so damn godly. Ofcourse a eh bonehew works just fine, and if u cant afford eBOTD, this weapon is more than great. eBOTD pwnes it by far though and i understand why it is in the build.
Crown of Thieves is indeed the way to go imo, my eth one gives 64x defense. +50life/fire resist/extreme life leech makes this helm 100% perfect for ur goldfind merc. And w8! it has very decent goldfind to!
Might merc indeed:)
If u really want to talk about godly, get a 3sox/ high %GF barbhelm with 3bo/3shout/3find item/-ot other skill u prefer.
I am using IK helm, not the best but very decent, 137%GF/2Warcrys.
2x 3warcries weapons are a must. In ur stash u have a Edge bow. because this is kinda handy when u are gambling (-15% vendorprice), together with Gheeds = -30% of all prices:D
Just my input.
I will try to make a build with the experience ive had with this build so far. Some statistics about gf%, where to get the highest gf%, best items, etc
I thought Barb helms couldn't have gf?, but anyways, that wouldn't be better then a 2 sox 2 baba skills 80% gf circlet socketed with 2 lems (for 180% gf in total) unless baba helms could have gf and then it would be a 2 sox +3 preferable skills 3 warcry barbhelm and the gf with 2 lem's (i never heard of anything like that existing though)
Also, Edge is indeed a must, forgot about that one.
And yes, Forti and botd downright beat stone and bonehew, but its so damn expensive for so little gain. If you have forties and botd's lying about then yea, no point in not using it. (you could ofcourse always socket that bonehew with 2 lems, his killing speed won't suffer that much, but his lifesupporting skills will, exept if you lifetap counsil once in a while via a lifetap wand on switch (after you bo'd) wich is actually an idea i didn't think about yet, lol.
Wonder if repairing lifetap wand equals 150% more gf?
As far as i'm concerned, something like flayer jungle (with lots of champions and the like, and many many little buggers wich won't hurt you or your merc that much at all) is great for mfing too, fast trav runs beats it though.
80gf dual/tri-res boots beat infernostrides everyday of the week.
I thought Barb helms couldn't have gf? (...)
And they can't. Only magic/rare circlets have inbuilt GF% as a suffix. I believe Romasm made some confusion with the circlets.
mephiztophelez
17-12-2007, 03:22
I thought Barb helms couldn't have gf?, but anyways, that wouldn't be better then a 2 sox 2 baba skills 80% gf circlet socketed with 2 lems (for 180% gf in total) unless baba helms could have gf and then it would be a 2 sox +3 preferable skills 3 warcry barbhelm and the gf with 2 lem's (i never heard of anything like that existing though)
the IK helm packs 37% goldfind and 2sox..... (http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/sets/sets5.shtml#immortalking)
this is my summon neccy's GF hat (http://img454.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gfhat3jy.jpg)
@ OP: i'd be avoiding cold damage on the merc (and myself seeing as your fighting), so gaze is a nono. 'cause every shattered corpse can't be horked.
@ mephiztophelez, what a beauty, only 1% off from perfect GF%.
Vindicator
17-12-2007, 04:28
thanks for all the advice guys!!!! helped out a lot!
speaking of godly... why not a jewelers diadem of wealth then?
speaking of godly... why not a jewelers diadem of wealth then?
You mean something like this, just better?
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff158/VoXDei1/3soxgoldfindhat.jpg
I would still stick to a +2 barb skills/80% gf/2 sox if i had one.
speaking of godly... why not a jewelers diadem of wealth then?
Yep, that gives the most wealth, but if i had to choose between a 2 barb (or even warcries)/80% gf + 2 sox from Larzuk or a 3 sox/ 80% gf one then i would definatly pick the first one, just makes the life of your barb and your merc a little easyer.
Ah my bad, to bad magic barbhelms cant spawn with GF%. Ridiculous imo.
Most people use IK helm though. But there are better options, but hard to find..
And imo infernostrides 70%gf beats rares tri res boots with 80%. Just because of the +max fire resist, which is very handy for counsil. That + 30%fire absorb..
Ah my bad, to bad magic barbhelms cant spawn with GF%. Ridiculous imo.
Most people use IK helm though. But there are better options, but hard to find..
And imo infernostrides 70%gf beats rares tri res boots with 80%. Just because of the +max fire resist, which is very handy for counsil. That + 30%fire absorb..
You'll be using dual dwarf stars anyway, so it's not really that big of a deal. IMO crafted or rare boots with 70+% goldfind don't really need to have more than 1-2 good mods like 30FRW and maybe dual resists to beat infernostrides.
As for helm, the IK helm is hard to beat, you'd need something really good (like the circlets above) to beat that.
I let my merc do all the killing anyway, on L he's got a eth insight CV, and on NL he's got a eBOTD war pike (almost antiperfect roll). He's perfectly capable, although NL is much much easier due to the lower monster HP and that merc wearing a ebug fort laquered.
Yeah my ladder one has:
Crown of Thieves eth 11ll 89gf% and 64x defense (this is a keeper)
Obedience CA (isnt a good choice, it has cold damage:>)
Ethereal Duriels
Does 5,2k damage
4,9k life
Full resist
Might merc named Waheed^^
When I think about it, I use a Obedience eth CA on mine as well, as eth duriels and non-eth CoT (I haven't found an eth one yet). I think he'd be better off with an Insight, or maybe a BOTD if I trade myself a zod and a good base weapon.
Anyway, they're only lvl 80 atm, so I could really level around 10 times to get 200 more BOable life and a lot lower chance for them to land hits.
Yeah mine will get eBOTD eventually and a eth Forti in a Shadowplate, I think of these armors as most fitting to the act2 merc ( i like style, even when no one will see it besides me). It will also slow down the merc (iirc) so it isnt something i suggest in a build^^. And CoT, his helm actually looks like a COT, which i like:)
Found a ethereal 8%ed ghost spear. This is going to be the base item of the eBOTD. Or maybe im going for the WP. Its slow but it does look great and BIG:). Hmm i guess ill just stick with the Ghost spear.
My merc curently has Stone in a bugged eth Lacquered plate and an eth bonehew socketed with 2 amns and a nice 12% crown of thieves (rather low gf though, got 98% gf one on me but that one got low ll)
Currently searching for a close to perfect eth crown of thieves wich i'm gonna up, can't afford a forti or ebotd, and if i can i won't be putting it on my gf merc. (well the forti not anyways, the botd i don't need anyways)
I wouldn't want any trires rare boots though, not while trav running.
lvl 90 by the way.
Quote:
Armor- Fortitude... no other option is going to work well
Hmmm.. my merc is using eth Treachery and doing exremely WELL.
BTW, there are already couple guides over barb forums about GF/MF barb.
Chien
Yes i also had Threachery as a open option:
5% Chance To Cast Level 15 Fade When Struck
25% Chance To Cast level 15 Venom On Striking
+2 To Assassin Skills
+45% Increased Attack Speed
+20% Faster Hit Recovery
Cold Resist +30%
50% Extra Gold From Monsters
Whats not to like? Obviously the +2 assa skills isnt very usefull but all the other are just fine.. I also like the looks of the merc when fade comes to action
buckman341
18-12-2007, 08:11
Slightly OT, but I'm curious. Why are people so big on gold find? Gambling for items?
Yes, when gambling with high lvl characters, you can get some pretty nifty rares. Circlets/Coronets, Amulets, Rings and in some cases assassin claws are popular. Boots/belts/gloves can have some nice rare combos too, but drop more often, so these aren't really popular. Gambling for armor is a waste of money, but shopping them are popular.
Sometimes i also gamble for axes (the ones upgradeble to ba) and swords (the ones upgradeble to pb).
Sometimes i also gamble for axes (the ones upgradeble to ba) and swords (the ones upgradeble to pb).
Gambled items can't be eth, so there's no way to get anything that can compete with even oath. It's a shame really, that crafts and gambles can't be eth.
Its also a shame u cant craft bows
Gambled items can't be eth, so there's no way to get anything that can compete with even oath. It's a shame really, that crafts and gambles can't be eth.
Didn't think about that yet, i'm wondering something, if i find a rare eth crystal or dimensional sword and i upgrade it to a phaseblade then i have an eth indistructible pb right? (eth pb's don't spawn normally right, or do they?)
Didn't think about that yet, i'm wondering something, if i find a rare eth crystal or dimensional sword and i upgrade it to a phaseblade then i have an eth indistructible pb right? (eth pb's don't spawn normally right, or do they?)
This is correct. It's the only way to get eth PBs. Up an eth rare dimensional (or ginther's, but that's kind of a waste...).
deadbeater
19-12-2007, 05:07
Um, where is battle cry? The build is useless without it...
Also, the 10% small charms are great to fill the bottom row in the inventory.
And the barbie will have to do something. I play a throwbarb with dual lacerators.
Yes, i'm also on agreement about battle cry, it immensly helps your merc to kill things. (battle cry and warcry)
This is correct. It's the only way to get eth PBs. Up an eth rare dimensional (or ginther's, but that's kind of a waste...).
If only i ever have the luck of finding an eth rare crystal or dimensional sword that is worth it to upgrade.
Ah well.
my keys on goldbarb:
------------>2x 3 to warcries sticks
F1 skillcry (name?)
F2 BO
F3 Shout
-------------> switch to 2 x ali baba, 4lem'd
F4 Find item
F5 Battle cry
And always leap on the leftclick.
I dont use warcry. No points in it also. Leap works for me, and i hate the range of warcry. Leap is giving me a range of 16.6. Maybe if i invest a few more skills in it it will be 17,4 (iirc). Thats the whole screen. (kinda). Maybe its not that usefull all the time (it knocks back), but it suits me more than warcry.
Im getting a lot of jewels/rare rings from the counsil. Nothing interesting yet though.
I second Romasm for leap :) My GF barb just jumps like crazy and collect/hork golds/items after that. Merc and I are totally safe.
The best I hork from the council members is Um so far.
Chien
No i don't agree, leaping is annoying, i just battlecry and warcry them all in a tight group and let merc finish them off one by one while i make sure they are stunned and battle cried.
No need to jump arround like a fool.:flip:
With what u dont agree? That leaps works for me and chein? Never said here that it is better. I just think it more useful for my kind of playing
Forbiddian
19-12-2007, 23:47
I'm sure that this has been mentioned, but you run into the game ceiling if you're making a game a minute. You can only make like 1 per five minutes or something on b.net.
If you can run Trav in a minute, but you'd obviously cap your games out at least on b.net. So... what else can your gf/horker run?
Meph/Shenk/Pindle?
It seems like your killing speed would really falter with such a one-dimensional build for everything other than Travincal. It's got great time/return (2 mill=47 ammy gambles), but you'd hit the ceiling cap.
Outside of trav, what else do you run, and what kind of returns do you get?
You can run Pindle/Eldrich since they are horkable as well.
Again, there is no real good or bad for leap vs. wcry. It is just personal preference. Leap will knock back all the council members, unique or not. It is a bit annoying/hard in the beginning. Once you are faminilar the pattern, it is easy . Wcry will stun normal members easily but only has little chance to stun champion/unique (10%? or something like that). Also, it has much smaller radius than leap. It means that sometimes, you have to get closer to fire/light/cold enchanted baddies, which is not fun since you are loaded with GF gears :P
Chien
With what u dont agree? That leaps works for me and chein? Never said here that it is better. I just think it more useful for my kind of playing
Was more like a post for fun, no need to get defensive. :smiley:
They both work, leap just looks more ridiculous. (and i try to spend asmuch points into warcries so that if someone asks me to duel and is for somereason totally unaware of the GF in my avatars name and after i explain to that person what it stands for and what skills i have and get laughed in the face for that thinking i know less from the game then (s)he does, well then i put on massive fcr gear and warcry him/her to death. :point: :shocked: )
Hehe np there,
I also tried some duells. Though i dont have skills that do damage at all, my merc does. It worked a couple of times. I leap so the character gets knocked back, my merc walks to it and kills it in a few blows (ofcourse they were pubnewbies otherwise my merc and me would be pwned in a matter of seconds)
Owyeah, most of the time i play together with a mf sorc. I do the counsil, he goes to mephisto. Set a tp there so i can kill the durance of hate counsil. Gives about the same gold% iirc. Thats like doing twice Travincal in the same game..
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