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vknez
14-12-2007, 21:50
assa bear pvm (version 1.11)

INTRODUCTION

this is my first made and published guide. there are lots of multiple guides on some character types on this forums which relies one on another with minor changes or sugestions. i think this guide is the first for that type of assasin and is made from first hand experience, not just relying on hypothetical numbers. all my claims are tested in game (bnet, not modded single player). this build requires the use of some high ends items. it is recommend to players who are bored of playing cookie cutter builds and need some refreshments.

advantages:
uniquenes
style (cant argue on faded bear with blade shield)
solid and versatile damage per time frame
nice survavibility
you dont need mana except buffing
excellent for single targets

dissadvantages:
requires expensive items
can't be assa bear until level 63
not much options on equipment
not good when it is crowded

my first idea of making assa came after seeing gimmershreds video of ''2 fpa'' bearassasin on you-tube (why under qoutation marks i will explain later). my goal was to make slower but more damaging bear, relying more on physical damage then poison.

''2'' FPA MYTH

there is still widespred opinion that werebear assasin using jewelers/artisans runic/greater talons of quickness (3 sockets, 40 IAS), socketed with 2 shaels and 15 IAS jewel (total 95 IAS), can reach unbelievably fast 2 frame attack. this common opinion came from using excellent site Wereform Central. unfortunately this site have a flow. it does not calculate accurately attack speed of assasin in bear form. my first doubts came after i muled some equipment on my ex pure melee assasin and equiped her with upgraded shaeled bartucs. using bos, according to wereform central i should hit 4 frame. but in reality it was 6 frames. later, thankfully to one forum member, i stumbled on ssog's guide to 2 fpa assabear (also known as Ursa Mayor). among other posts there are posts from TitanSeal which revealed the truth and (i presume) correct calculation formula. difference is that wereform central uses wrong value on CharSpeed, 256 instead of 208.

TitanSeal's formula:

FPA = {(256*FramesPerDirection)/[AnimationSpeed*(100 + EIAS + SIAS - WSM)/100]} - 1
AnimationSpeed = [256*NeutralFrames/Delay]
Delay = [256*CharFrames/[(100 + WIAS - WSM)*CharSpeed/100]]

FramesPerDirection = 12
NeutralFrames = 10
CharFrames = 11
CharSpeed = 208

anyway, i didn't used this complicated formule, but in game test results. i made tests with various weapons, with and without bos, and with various ias on equipment. using Fraps for recording and windows media player for waching recorded movies frame by frame. my goal is to find 4 fpa highest damaging claw. it is 40 wias runic talon with 15 eias (ias from equipment) without bos (i.e. using fade). only good way to get 40 ias on highest damaging claw is to make runeword fury. there is also chance to find a rare runic with some nasty mods, but you cant build character about idea finding one



EQUIPMENT

weapon - Fury runic talons (probably made in superior, without skills for lower repair costs). no options here. or you maybe
have 4xx rare runic, 40 IAS with mods? Chaos can reech only 5 frames
helm - guillaumes helm socketed with shael or 15 ias+mod jewel. other options can be giant skull or crown of ages.
my opinion is that guillames have better mods - 35 % crushing blow, 15 % deadly strike, 30 % FHR, 15 strength.
socket this helm with either shael (for 20 FHR) or jewel with 15 IAS + other mod (sufficient for breakpoint)
amulet – highlords; will push your total deadly to 9x %, solves the need for IAS
- atmas scarab, can potentially double your total damage.
- angelic, if you like higher ar, but you will not need cause of ITD on Fury, but can be handy versus bosses
armor - in my opinion only one option – Fortitude in light armor. this armor is your major damage booster and without it, your damage will be to weak. for pvp, bramble is maybe better, but this is pvm build, cheaper alternative is duress
shield - stormshild - high blocking, damage reduce 35 % is overkill, 35 str, cold and lightning resistances
- Phoenix - 350-400 % ed!, life, redemption aura, unfortunately ctc firestorm interefers with your attack
- sanctuary - blocking, resists
- lance guard (unique barbed shield) - 20 DS, life, 30 FHR, low blocking
- whitstan’s guard; best blocking non paladin shield in game. With helm from same set you will get 35 life
- Dream runeword; 1-648 light damage, FHR, life, resistances. Confuse will override your other curses
gloves - draculs. cant use atmas amulet then. With draculs and phoenix you are practically immortal
- laying of hands - solves IAS needs, fire resists, 350 % damage to demons
- crafted blood gloves - life leech, life, crusshing blow, mods
- lava gout - 20 IAS, ctc enchant
- trang oul; 25 % poison damage, cold resists
- steelrend; crushing blow, 30-60 ed%, high required strength
belt - verdungo
- string of ears
- maybe crafted blood belt
boots - gore riders
rings - dual ravens, raven+bk, raven+angelic, raven+bk
stash - torch, annihilius, shadow skilers, max/ar/life charms
switch - beast+spirit of course, call to arms to prebuff if you like to bother (i don’t)

for PVP you will need dual angelic combo with cham in helm, bos/lots of frw charms, 86 % FHR, stacked resistances, CTA and other + all skills for prebuffing. didnt tried pvp so test yourself if you went that way


SKILLS

claw mastery – 20 ; your damage and AR booster
bos – 1; you can occasionaly use this skill. +skills form equipment will raise this to usefull level
fade – 20; you use this most of the time. With shadow skillers, torch, anni, spirit and highlords you will have level 3x. with verdungo/string belt you will have maximum damage reduce (50 %), some 70 % all resists and reduce curse duration
venom – 20
psychic hammer - 1
weapon block - 1
cloak of shadows - 1
shadow warrior - 1
shadow master - rest
fire blast - 1
blade sentinel - 1
wake of fire - 1
blade fury - 1
blade shield – 20 ; minor damage, strikes any opponent in radius 4 yards every second. Gets ¼ damage from weapon/venom. Uses AR from normal attack, deadly strike and leech from equipment. Other things dont work on this skill. You put 20 points in this skill cause you dont have any better options. Gives your character cool look


BREAKPOINTS

FHR:

0 % - 13 frames
5 % - 12 frames
10 % - 11 frames
16 % - 10 frames
24 % - 9 frames
37 % - 8 frames
54 % - 7 frames
86 % - 6 frames
152 % - 5 frames
360 % - 4 frames

aim for 54 %. 86 % can be reeched but need some altering of equipment

FCR irrelevant for this character

FBR:

0 % 12 frames
5 % 11 frames
10 % 10 frames
16 % 9 frames (sanctuary)
27 % 8 frames (stormshield)
40 % 7 frames (whitstan’s guard)
65 % 6 frames (unreachable)

shields socketed with shael gives 20 % FBR, with eld 7 % blocking. With my character I don’t care much about blocking and using hyperion dream. Also tried Phoenix but ctc Firestorm is pretty annoying cause you can’t attack for 0.4 seconds, so you are missing 2.5 attacks per second

LEVELING

No advice here. Get yourself hell rushed and join diablo runs on hell. Solo leveling till level 63 can be very frustrating


SUMMARY

There is also option of going with other skills/equipment option. Max bos and use umed stormshield. That way you dont need IAS on equipment, you will run like crazy and will must get some aditional resistance from equipment.

To watch 3 fpa Gimmershreds werebear in PVP action go here:

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=3v6NR-aUXgo

to toy with Ursa Mayor provided by SSoG go to
Link removed for the moment - Aman

my character.

Assa-Bear lev 84, Europe nonladder, on *vknez1

STR 137
DEX 123
VIT 402
ENE 53
30 unspend points (probably will go to vitality)
AR 4800
Defense 6507 (with chilling armor active)
Chance to block 31 % (dont care much about it)
Life 3322 werebear form without CTA
Shown damage 1484-2786, blade shield 536-913
Resistances 68 % @, lightning 80 %
95 % for double damage, 50 % crushing blow, 101 % open wounds, 7 frame FHR

Still looking for some charms (skillers with life), socketing options

The end

SlyFox
16-12-2007, 09:56
Great guide!! Keep up the good work.:thumbsup:

vknez
26-12-2007, 16:11
this is vey nice assasin build. i'm level 90. gathered shadow skilers with life.
whit her i killed hell baal solo on lev 72 (my lowest ever). what is interesting is that equipment changing you can have very good ww-ghost. you only need 1 point in mind blast and few in weapon block to get lev 26 (60 %). thats what i'm doing at the moment after reading TienJe's guide. the perfect dr. jekyll and mr. hyde character. whit prebuffs i'm reaching lev 50 venom/fade

Hide
20-02-2008, 23:59
I have a bearsin now, I'm still finishing the equipment though. Would it be better to try to get a sup ed fury weapon, or get +3 claw mastery claw, figure I'd have a hard time finding both. Also what Equipment is your sin using?

vknez
21-02-2008, 14:20
I'm not sure that claw mastery spawns on claws (never saw that)

ideal will be 15 ed with +3 weapon block. others skills does not matter cause you will prebuff anyway

she is unequiped at the moment.

chronowarp
22-02-2008, 02:03
This is a really interesting build.

vknez
22-02-2008, 12:06
i forget to mention that if you play non ladder you can try to find eth bugged claws. in previuos versions if you put zod in ethereal item and remove it, the indistructible mod will remain. this can seriously boost your damage

Sass
22-02-2008, 12:18
Yeah, the formula thing got me confused. If you tested some in game, did you wsm bug?

Awesome guide. A bearsin running around would be so neat.

vknez
23-02-2008, 16:04
no wsm bugging, cause you will use only one claw. if you use two claws, you will be altering attacks between 1st and 2nd claw, and that is slower and gives you no real benefit.

yes formula is little confusing. if someone with knowledge of excell and excess time can assemble this in some user friendly calculator, that will be neat

Joergermeister
27-02-2008, 20:00
You may want to add just a little more mention of the fact that you need a Beast axe for this build :wink3:, other than just next to switch. i missed it the first couple of times I breezed through this.

Liquid_Evil
28-02-2008, 02:54
We added you a few days ago to the druid forum guide stickies. (This is half druid so it counts) The guide is a good for a first-time writer but the format is kind of goofy to me. And this is just a taste matter, but I would capitalize the beginnings of sentences, obey standard grammatical rules, and pay more attention to spelling. It's just the "pretty factor" that makes things easier to read and looks more professional. Still, a dii.net Bearsin guide was needed and I'm glad you took the time to hammer out the basics. :thumbsup:

Oh, and your youtube link guy propogates that lame 2fps myth.
This 1 got the fastest attack in diablo. 2fpa.

BobCox
08-03-2008, 20:40
Great Guide and now I don't have to point out page 16 and titanseal to people trying to build the 2 FPA Bearsin anymore.
Nitpicks are: Just correct a bit of spelling, list the Beast a bit more prominently and you might point out how to hit the 3 FRA max speed for those that want to try it.
But even if you leave it as is I have noticed how this cut way back on the searches for the 3 OS Claw of Quickness so thanks again. I'm sure SSog is happy this info is out here as well.
Again really nice work.:thumbsup:

Gimmershred
11-03-2008, 07:20
We added you a few days ago to the druid forum guide stickies. (This is half druid so it counts) The guide is a good for a first-time writer but the format is kind of goofy to me. And this is just a taste matter, but I would capitalize the beginnings of sentences, obey standard grammatical rules, and pay more attention to spelling. It's just the "pretty factor" that makes things easier to read and looks more professional. Still, a dii.net Bearsin guide was needed and I'm glad you took the time to hammer out the basics. :thumbsup:

Oh, and your youtube link guy propogates that lame 2fps myth.

that youtube guy would be me. I'll see if i can change it. At the time i made my bear, there wasn't much known or tested about this build. I only got some info from claniraq, who has been banned from these forums i think.

Nice guide by the way. The most common ethbugged claws would be those cruel suwayyahs of eviscaration not? It's ashame they would be kinda slow.

Abloec
24-03-2008, 06:07
First post here so be nice!

It seems, based on equipment, that fhr is easy to get with this build (bramble). Does anyone think a dream helm would be useful for this build? It would be great to use mindblast (perhaps the shadow will cast it) for last hit but maybe an aura would help?

Abloec
29-03-2008, 03:28
In all the guides for this character (probably like 3 floating around) there is no mention if the claw block skill even works in werebear form. After some testing the answer is NO. :shocked: Maybe everyone knew this already. But if not, there it is.

Probably this issue was never addressed because of the slower attack speed 2 claw equiping causes... (as a side note, testing with 2 claws, both artisan GTs of quickness, seemed to produce very low fpa, virtually indistinguishable to my eye vs one 1 agtoq)...but maybe I will have to record some video to be sure.

Ablo ec

Thawk
29-03-2008, 05:37
Right, the 2 frame attack does not exist. The breakpoint is at 142% WIAS for a -30 WSM claw (Greater/Runic Talons), which is unreachable without editing an item or modding the game. Here is a single player character file with claws edited for 141% and 142% WIAS, which clearly show the breakpoint.

http://www.dos486.com/misc/ursa_major_new.zip

I also posted a followup in the Amazon Basin thread with another test involving mana consumption. The short summary is that giving Normal Attack a mana cost and measuring its mana consumption proves that it's only attacking 8+ times per second (3 frame attack) and not 12.5 times per second (2 frame attack).

Liquid_Evil
29-03-2008, 06:17
That link was already removed by aman in the first post, but thanks for the testing.

to toy with Ursa Mayor provided by SSoG go to
Link removed for the moment - Aman

vknez
29-03-2008, 14:03
That link was already removed by aman in the first post, but thanks for the testing.

actually it is modified file with new claws and some minor changes

2 fpa attack looks silly when you watch frame by frame cause bear does not extend his hand in front of him at all.
1. frame - stand still
2. frame - hand behind

Bliphgar
20-04-2008, 23:19
actually it is modified file with new claws and some minor changes

2 fpa attack looks silly when you watch frame by frame cause bear does not extend his hand in front of him at all.
1. frame - stand still
2. frame - hand behind

It doesn't seem like it sets off cb either. You'd think that 12.5 attacks per second would have even 50% CB completely decimate something, but it's not the case.

Does 1fpa attack exist?

vknez
21-04-2008, 22:32
It doesn't seem like it sets off cb either. You'd think that 12.5 attacks per second would have even 50% CB completely decimate something, but it's not the case.

Does 1fpa attack exist?

ofc that crushing blow works. 1 fpa will be reached with some insane ias on modifed char file, but i dont see the point to discuss that