Chaos with comfort :D

[Galabab]

I look for a build to run big Chaos games with MAXIMUM comfort.
This means:

Teleport
No deaths
No drinking
No merc ressurect
Least casting as possible!
Fast killing

I know im too lazy :D
Can anybody come up with a good build?

[spunky]

All I gotta say is LOL.
IF you want it so bloody easy, why bother running at all?

Anyways, I guess you'd prefer a Pure light trapper with an infinity merc. yawn

[BobTheWarrior]

Auradin?

Teleport -sure, w/ enigma or a teleport ammy if you're just wanting to teleport into the CS, then vigor when you need to get around.
No deaths -sure, as long as you don't hit things when IM'd
No drinking -sure, no problems here
No merc ressurect - sure, you don't need a merc
Least casting as possible! - sure, you don't have to cast anything
Fast killing - sure, as long as you're not IM'd. When you are IM'd, just run around and let your auras zap them while shooting them w/ your bow.

Gear:
Dream Helm
Dream Shield
Ice bow on switch
HoJ Phase blade (if not using enigma)
OR
Some other big hurty stick

Skills:
20 Resist Lightning
20 Resist Fire (if going w/ HoJ/Dragon)
20 Conviction (maybe less, depending on gear)
+Zeal
+Fanat
+Vigor

Look in the Paladin guides for details on the build.

[crawlingdeadman]

berzerk barb. i've been doing it with mine it's great. howl everything but oknights and uniques, kill em then hork em.

[vknez]

or good old boring hammerdin

[Galabab]

thx for input but all the proposed builds are not quite what im looking for:

trapsin ---> infi merc will die

auradin ---> here the damage dealing is too slow i will have to click on EACH enemy! Or with zeal at least run to them and allthe while keep worrieng about IM. Nono its too much of a drag! :D

berserk ---> i want to whipe out all the big stacks of monsters not only diablo. SO i fear frenzy wont do the job. Too slow.

hammerdin ---> yes im well aware of this build :D the problem is mana suply. Merc will die rather fast while you spam hammers and redemption needs switches and waiting, checking your mana all the time :(
Im too much used to insight making me forget all my mana worries.

But it can very well be that hammerdins with redemption come closest to my wish.

[Darkoooo]

Maybe this is the right game for you?

http://warhammerinfo.com/diablo2.shtml

Just get one of those click-programs and you're on your way!:azn:

Why not make merc weapons in a normal polearm?

[Galabab]

Please stop this "omg how boring" thing.

I am looking for the mightiest character! And do you think a mighty mage or whatever would bother with dealing with merc ressurects and single ridiculous monsters? No! He would wipe whole hordes of them out without any effort!

If you guys dont understand the joy in having just an untouchable character just dont post on this thread mkey?

Ofcourse it could become boring pretty fast but i never tried it in diablo and neither did you.

[krischan]

What about a strafer ?

Leech is no problem (e.g. WF, Andy's, ring), just versus Diablo you might need a mana potion.

Knockback and proper positioning will keep you safe from everything until Diablo appears.

No merc needed. You have a valk and she can tank better than a merc anyway. Elsewhere you can use the merc in addition, of course (nm act 2 offensive).

Don't use Enigma. Zons have very bad fcr breakpoints and there's no point in having it anyway when doing full CS clears. Also, the River of Flame is a L85 are as well, so fighting your way through it is not a waste of time.

My strafer nearly never dies in the CS and if it happens, it's usually because of a combination of lag and me underestimating its danger :azn:

[KremBanan]

No deaths
No drinking
No merc ressurect
Fast killing


What you want is a Windforce amazon with a RogueFaith.

[Cppo-The-Wild]

or hammerdin with a1 merc carrying ice runeword bow (holyfreeze)... i'd say that's best suited for you. from what i've seen and heard it barely never dies and lamerdin is easy to play and unless you screw up badly he won't die either. oh and killing speed is in the top3, once you get the hold of it probably #1

krem's idea would be the second choice for me (with your criteria)

-Cppo

[dezzo]

i use a faith + fortitude strafer / MS amazon with a harmony rogue merc + 20 points in valk. i got dual leech rings + ravens so i seldom need to drink.

load up with lotsa pdsc and resist scs and i'm on my way.

rogue seldom dies and valk can always recast. the OK lord always has fanatism so lure his posse with MS

diablo is hard to kill though and with 6k MA damage.. it takes a while.

but other wise, it clears chaos in 7 - 10 minutes.

[crawlingdeadman]

Please stop this "omg how boring" thing.

I am looking for the mightiest character! And do you think a mighty mage or whatever would bother with dealing with merc ressurects and single ridiculous monsters? No! He would wipe whole hordes of them out without any effort!

If you guys dont understand the joy in having just an untouchable character just dont post on this thread mkey?

Ofcourse it could become boring pretty fast but i never tried it in diablo and neither did you.

hey nublet, you set a bunch of requirements for your character and everyone's given you great examples. i focused on the "not having to cast very much" thing and i gave you a great example that kills only the monsters that'll give you the best chance at great items and can run it in a couple min.

personally i think the best is a hybrid zon, but that takes skill to play well so i think you'll have to pass on that.

maybe next time you say "thanks but that's not what i'm looking for."

edit: sorry for the "nublet" thing (not enough to edit it out though) been spending too much time in pub duel games i think.

[Galabab]

@CDM:
Im deeply hurt by the "nublet" ...
Nevertheless my comment wasnt refering to what YOU said.
So you havent to be upset. I respect your proposition but pointed out its not what i was looking for.

According strafer for Chaos. Im not quite familiar with amazons. How much damage would it do? And isnt multishot better agaisnt masses of monsters?

According hammerdin with rogue merc. Wouldnt help much as i said hammerdins have constant mana need.

[crawlingdeadman]

yeah, sorry about that, bad morning. but hey, it's friday wewt.

[MassiveSin]

I look for a build to run big Chaos games with MAXIMUM comfort.
This means:

Teleport
No deaths
No drinking
No merc ressurect
Least casting as possible!
Fast killing

I know im too lazy :D
Can anybody come up with a good build?

Do you think if it could be done their would already be a guide on it?
Did you try to search?
The only thing that comes close is below however it fails to met your teleport requirement.
http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=550206
The only way to get to what you want is use the aura bug. Once that is corrected by bnet you can not achieve your lazy goal with all of your requirements.
:shocked: Otherwise wouldn't you see everyone doing it?

[Galabab]

Well sure there are guides everywhere i just would like to know WHICH comes closest to my wishes. And yes teleport is MOST important so pdr barb or bowazons arent really suited.

I myself though of blobed poison necro. The idea is mana merc keeps at your side. And you just have to teleport and spam Nova with some Lower Resists.
The problem however is i fear 10k damage (thats what i roughly calculated to be achievable) may be just too low for crowded games. Besides it needs 2 secs to actually work the whole damage.

I mean something like hammer/poison nova build.
High damage - high comfort.

[KremBanan]

teleport is MOST important
In that case a lightning sorc holding the Infinity herself would be your best choice imo.

[Galabab]

low damage? no mana?

[helvete]

low damage? no mana?

It's pretty obvious that you've never played or read about such a sorc.

EDIT: A little rude. Well, use an act 2 merc with an insight to solve all your mana problems. Damage is very very good due to the -enemy light resist on the infinity.

[Galabab]

It's pretty obvious that you've never played or read about such a sorc.


Why is it so obvious? And if i had not so what?

damage - considering low fcr and + skills this build will hardly do insane damage in full chaos games. Or at least its not THAT obvious to think i must NEVER had heard of infi carrieng sorcs.

mana - as i already told a mana merc will DIE SO NO GOOD OPTION.

[KremBanan]

damage - considering low fcr and + skills this build will hardly do insane damage in full chaos games. Or at least its not THAT obvious to think i must NEVER had heard of infi carrieng sorcs.

Low damage?
Do you know what Infinity does? It breaks almost all light immunes and give you -55 enemy lightres after that. Slap on a Griff and you get another -25.

Low FCR?
You can achive the 117FCR Lighting breakpoint. Its the second fastests.

Merc dying?
If you have a eth Shaft and Eth Gaze socketed with an Um and a pruby. He will survive 2-3 hits when IM'ed, leaving you time for teleporting him out of danger.

[MassiveSin]

I look for a build to run big Chaos games with MAXIMUM comfort.
This means:

Teleport
No deaths
No drinking
No merc ressurect
Least casting as possible!
Fast killing

I know im too lazy :D
Can anybody come up with a good build?

Then you say

I myself though of blobed poison necro. The idea is mana merc keeps at your side. And you just have to teleport and spam Nova with some Lower Resists.

Which is it Least casting as possible or spam?

Also your example still doesn't beat the glitched auradin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6l8pXr3jPE

[crawlingdeadman]

they fixed gmercs though...

[MassiveSin]

they fixed gmercs though...

Couldn't find one for the one I'm talking about, but they are the same in damage output for illustration purposes.

[helvete]

Merc won't leech from much besides the balrog type monsters there, so might as well just give him a voulge insight. That way there's no way he'll kill himself as long as you keep teleing.

[Cppo-The-Wild]

you'll probably have to pop a pot or two (mana or life) every once and a while in order to keep you/merc/manapool high regardless of the build u choose. at least i haven't found a character in 1.10+ that never has to drink for him/herself or give some to merc.

hmm now that i think of it hammerdin actually doesn't require mana pots if you invest one point in redemption. turn it on for a sec after battle and you have your mana and life full again. hammerdin with ice merc + use of redemption is the option for you my friend

-Cppo

[crawlingdeadman]

Merc won't leech from much besides the balrog type monsters there, so might as well just give him a voulge insight. That way there's no way he'll kill himself as long as you keep teleing.

he can leach from the knights.

Couldn't find one for the one I'm talking about, but they are the same in damage output for illustration purposes.

yeah i knew what you were talking about i was just wanting to make sure that he knew that gmercs were fixed.

[Smackin]

Hey there Mr. Galabab, I've got ur solution!

Step 1: create a character in single player.
Step 2: edit it
Step 3: tele to chaos and enjoy!

No, seriously, every build requires some sort of skill to play and has a weakness. There aint gonna be a perfect character. If u are so lazy, why bother playing the game at all? Everybody here is giving u advice that works. GFG strafezons, infi-lite sorcs, GFG javzons, hammerdins, etc. If u cant put up with the little problems they might encounter, u might as well quit. To me, u seem like an arrogant person, who doesnt even consider the suggestions of others. Mana merc will die? Make the insight in a scythe! No deaths? Go play hardcore and u wont have to worry about it. No drinking? Slap on redemption. No merc ressurect? Dont hire one! Fast killing? Get GFG items and pump the dmg! Least Casting? Make a dam auradin! Again, if ur goal is to play the game as lazily as possible, why play at all?

[yetidiah]

if it were solo chaos runs you were after you could just use an hdin with redemption as its main aura instead of conc. plenty of killing and redemption is always on keeping you happy. (lots of casting though)

[Barcelona]

thx for input but all the proposed builds are not quite what im looking for:

trapsin ---> infi merc will die

auradin ---> here the damage dealing is too slow i will have to click on EACH enemy! Or with zeal at least run to them and allthe while keep worrieng about IM. Nono its too much of a drag! :D

berserk ---> i want to whipe out all the big stacks of monsters not only diablo. SO i fear frenzy wont do the job. Too slow.

hammerdin ---> yes im well aware of this build :D the problem is mana suply. Merc will die rather fast while you spam hammers and redemption needs switches and waiting, checking your mana all the time :(
Im too much used to insight making me forget all my mana worries.

But it can very well be that hammerdins with redemption come closest to my wish.


I think trapsin should do ok because if MB

[lendial]

the only thing that fits all those criteria is a paladin using a rather shady tactic , a tactic most people frown upon. but other than that there isnt anything that is that easy and simple.

[AnimeCraze]

Merc's won't die if you use a normal instead of an elite polearm. Try a normal, non-ethereal voulge, for example. As for builds, I think just about any cookie cutter mass killing builds would do. If you honestly do not want to do it with a merc, and hate drinking pots, you can sacrifice your MF/kill items for say silkweave/lidless/etc which gives mana per kill. You can also stick 100 points into energy and be done with it. A rich player's build has more than enough life anyways......

[Galabab]

Hey there Mr. Galabab, I've got ur solution!

Step 1: create a character in single player.
Step 2: edit it
Step 3: tele to chaos and enjoy!

No, seriously, every build requires some sort of skill to play and has a weakness. There aint gonna be a perfect character. If u are so lazy, why bother playing the game at all? Everybody here is giving u advice that works. GFG strafezons, infi-lite sorcs, GFG javzons, hammerdins, etc. If u cant put up with the little problems they might encounter, u might as well quit. To me, u seem like an arrogant person, who doesnt even consider the suggestions of others. Mana merc will die? Make the insight in a scythe! No deaths? Go play hardcore and u wont have to worry about it. No drinking? Slap on redemption. No merc ressurect? Dont hire one! Fast killing? Get GFG items and pump the dmg! Least Casting? Make a dam auradin! Again, if ur goal is to play the game as lazily as possible, why play at all?

Omg did i force your mother or yourself to play like i do? Than you come and insult me arrogant out of the blue?
Man im reading all posts carefully and respectfully but yours is just garbage.


Which is it Least casting as possible or spam?

Also your example still doesn't beat the glitched auradin.


1)Its not a contradiction. I want to tele around and spam nova with each one killing a bunch of monsters. So its least casting in the end.
2)Also my example wasnt intendet to "beat" other proposes. I pointed out clearly that it has its weak sides otherwise i wouldnt be asking would i? Man whats your problem?


@all:
thanks for all proposes i may not respond to each but i sure do read and consider them all carefully.
According Insight in a weak polearm and dr gear for merc i tried it but still i found him dead once in a while. Maybe i should try it again with better gear than it will change a lot.

[krischan]

FYI, I reported Smackin's posting. I suggest not to let the situation escalate or even comment on it any further before melianor notices this.

[Liriel]

I think you'll enjoy playing Necro Summoner.
Just tele in, cast Amp on the whole screen, make a few kills by summones and spam CE... In a few casts anything on the screen will be dead. If strong bosspacks (as if often happens on baalruns), then confuse wonders. If act bosses, clay golem+decrep slows them so much then they stop casting at all and just try to attack your summones in slow-mo.
For like 7 years I'm playing D2 I've made a lot of chars and can say summoner is the most powerfull, untouchable and fun char of all times. :D

I'd also recommend to look over summoner guide by Nightfish.

[baconmcpig]

As AnimeCraze has already said, using a low dmg weap will make IM bearable. My hammy just takes insight off when he chaoses. No weap = NO IM dmg. Zero. If u have cta ur mana shouldnt run out too fast. I find I have to redemp 3 times, once after each of the seal bosses. I love the tankableness of the merc. With guard angel and kiras he laughs in Infector's horny blue face.

[chien]

Ok, glitched aurdin did clean it pretty fast but it is tedious to do it. Overall, I don't think you save too much time for doing it anyway. I think poisonmancer with deathweb can clear Chaos reasonably well. BigD will also die for couple nova after LR as well.

Chien

[AnimeCraze]

I think poisonmancer with deathweb can clear Chaos reasonably well. BigD will also die for couple nova after LR as well.He lasts more than a couple of novas for me. Granted, I still need a few more skillers and put the rest of the points into my last synergy (poison/summon hybrid with full poison; well, when he reaches lvl 89 anyways). However, he doesn't last long with my merc + skele + revive + nova, though.

[Addict]

1)Its not a contradiction. I want to tele around and spam nova with each one killing a bunch of monsters. So its least casting in the end.


Just wondering if we were talking full games cuz I didn't think there really was a skill that could get a one-hit-kill (or one-cast-kill) in a large game.

For my 2cents:

Summoner - 'Nigma to tele in, amp + skellies kill everything, A1 Faith rogue for a helpful aura that's IM immune. And the usual CG + Decrep for D. Merc doesn't die, no mana pots required, no health pots required (if you hide behind your skellies). And with tele to focus your minions they should kill pretty quickly.

[Galabab]

Thanks for input guys, much appritiated.

[GibItam]

I would suggest making a hammerdin with a phoenix sacred targe with 45 all resist. You lose a bit of killing power from losing the + skills on the shield, but you should still be able to reach 10k hammer damage with the right gear.

No mana potion drinking required, since you will have redemption active the whole time. So al you have to do is teleport and cast hammers. I would add an act 3 merc of preference with a lawbringer runeword because this greatly reduces the thread of all undead creatures, who will get knocked back. He will never die from IM.

The only thing you have to do is kill diablo fast, for he will only target your merc, because he despises the aura.

I am using the same build for chaosing, only I use a spirit sacred targe, because it does not bother me to switch to redemption manually.

Hope this is what you are looking for, or that it helps you, :wave: