Max Magicfinding

[FierceDeity]

Would someone tell me what the max is, if there is one?

[omgwtfbbqpwned]

There is no cap on MF, if that's what you mean, but at extremely high values the effects of diminishing returns does a whammy.

According to Arreat Summit, the theoretical max MF a character have is:

Barbarian
110% Artisan's Tiara of Luck (35%) Socketed with three Ist Runes
148% Skullder's Ire (123%) Socketed with Ist Rune
180% 6 Socketed Weapon with six Ist Runes x2
30% Goldwrap Unique Heavy Belt
50% War Traveler Unique Battle Boots
40% Chance Guards Unique Chain Gloves
50% Magic Fortuitous Amulet of Luck
40% Magic Fortuitous Rings of Fortune x2
40% Gheed's Fortune
259% Small Charms of Fortune x37

Act III Iron Wolf
110% Artisan's Tiara of Luck (35%) Socketed with three Ist Runes
147.5% Skullder's Ire (122.5%) Socketed with Ist Rune
180% 6 Socketed Weapon with six Ist Runes
100% 4 Socket Shield with four Ist Runes

Which comes out to 1774.5% MF each time your Mercenary gets a kill.

[admante]

And your merc isn't going to be making a kill unless you're in normal.

[helvete]

IIRC it's impossible to get more than 250% better chance of uniques due to the diminishing return being something like x/(x+250) for uniques. I'm a little smashed at the moment, so that formula is probably BS ;)

[JayhawkFan]

neither are you lol

[stephan]

IIRC it's impossible to get more than 250% better chance of uniques due to the diminishing return being something like x/(x+250) for uniques. I'm a little smashed at the moment, so that formula is probably BS ;)

Correct formula is 250*x/(250+x). With your formula it would be impossible to get 1% unique mf. :wink3:

[omgwtfbbqpwned]

Does the game round up or down? Cuz if it rounds down, then tecnically, it requires an infinity amount of MF to give you 250% Unique.

[FierceDeity]

And your merc isn't going to be making a kill unless you're in normal.

Actually my merc with insight is doing pretty decent damage to Hell meph and other bosses in hell. I'm sometimes pissed because he kills ****, and he has no mf on him.

[ZealotBoy]

When your merc kills something the game takes your MF into account, not just your merc's. So if you have 400% MF and your merc has 100% MF, the game would consider your MF to be 500% when your merc makes a kill.

[Doppel]

What about goldfind? To my knowledge it aint on arreat.
(goldfind pwns mf imo)

[stephan]

What about goldfind? To my knowledge it aint on arreat.
(goldfind pwns mf imo)
Well, what about goldfind?

[admante]

I think he's asking about max gf possible.

[helvete]

Gold find has no diminishing returns, and it's possible to get almost 4000% of it.

[Doppel]

How much gold would you get on average in hell trist with 4000% gf?
I can imagine myself doing some serious gambling with such amounts of fast gold.

[helvete]

Don't go to trist, go to travi. I've gotten 500k+ per run, and that was with around 1800% gf. Even NM travi can be pretty rewarding, but if you can do hell, go for it. Key words are:

Find Item barbarian skill
No cold damage
A goood merc

[Doppel]

i ment Travinsal, my bad.
Yea, merc should do most of the killing (if not all, exept physical immune or stoneskin where berserk comes to use), barb should be there to aid merc as best as he can.
Hardest part is to get all those lems O_o

Would it also be wise to try and keep mf at a minimum? Or doesn't that affect wether or not gold drops?

(btw, dwarf star seems to be made for a travinsal running gf barb)

[Doppel]

1x 160% extra gold Gheed (reduces all vendor prices 15%)
8x Warcries/40% extra gold grand charm
1x 22% extra gold medium charm
1x T
1x anni
8x 10% extra gold small charm
2x Dwarf Star (100% extra gold each)
1x Chance Guards (200% extra gold)
1x 70% extra gold Infernostride
1x 80% extra gold goldwrap
2x 6 socketed weapon with lems (450% extra gold each)
1x 3 socketed bodyarmor "wealth" Lem + Ko + Tir (300% extra gold)
1x 100% extra gold Crown of Thieves socketed with Lem (150% extra gold combined)
1x Wealth amulet (80% extra gold)

on switch:

2x +3 warcries weapon

in stash:

1x 3 socketed missile weapon "Edge" tir + tal + amn (reduces all vendor prices 15%)

Skills:

Find Item 1
Battle Command 1
Battle Orders 20
Warcry 20
Battle Cry 20
Taunt 20
Howl 7
Weapon Mastery 1
Increased Speed 1
Natural Resistance 1
Berserk 1
Prereqs 7

(total 100 skillpoints)

Stats:
str enough for gear
dex enough for gear
vit all or almost all
energy enough to repeatedly cast warcries

Merc gear? (don't really know what to get here)

Tactics:
Enter Travinsal, swich to warcries weapons, BC Bo Shout BC, swich to lem'ed weapons.
Taunt, Warcry (repeatedly).
Search bodies with Find Item.
Exit game.

(Tip: Crown of Thieves has a str req of 103, so try to keep rest of gear below that, also try to go for fairly low dex req gear)
(Tip: Keep Diadem in stash for when you want to gamble for circlets)

[helvete]

What's that last tip for? Imbuing?

[krischan]

8x Warcries/40% extra gold grand charm
1x 22% extra gold medium charm
1x T
1x anni
8x 10% extra gold small charm

I suggest to have the cube and an identify tome in your inventory (the tome can be in the cube, but IIRC you cannot use it while it's in there), as the Councils will drop lots of items you want to identify and sometimes there is more than one item to keep, so the mouse cursor won't be enough to pick them up.

[mephiztophelez]

What about goldfind? To my knowledge it aint on arreat.
(goldfind pwns mf imo)

theres no cap on goldfind, but the thing to remember is that it works off base-gold dropped. so while a 6-lem crystal sword will give more goldfind, the actual amount extra you get over a lem/lem ali-baba is fairly insignificant.

i rock with ~2000% goldfind on my neccy, thats WITH a 16-slot cargo hold. lots of good GF gear carries some nice MF as well, it's nice to be able to pick stuff up.

btw, there are better helms around for goldfinding than a crown of theives.
(http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/6725/goldfindhatgh7.jpg)

[Doppel]

That goldfind diadem is fantastic, but asfar as i know thats not possible anymore, its either a mechanics Circlet of Wealth or a Chromatic Circlet of Wealth. (You could ofcourse have some crazy rare ones wich could potentionally have wealth and both chromatic and mechanic)
Maybe socket crown of thieves with a ruby/averace jewel (fireres 16-30%/10-30% more gold) or a mal or something and put that on your merc.

@helvete: Magic Level
Circlets have a special magic ability which allows players to receive a higher level magical Prefixes and Suffixes on Monster Drops and when Gambling on Circlets. This bonus only applies to the bonuses that appear on Circlets themselves. This does not help generate better Magic Prefixes and Suffixes on other items. So when you receive a Circlet via Gambling or a Monster drop the Magic Level helps increase the chances that a better Magic Prefix or Suffix will appear on it.

Most of the items i gamble for are circlets and amulets (rings too, occasionally something else like boots or belts). So it seems to come in handy to have a diadem like the one of mephiztophelez when gambling for circlets.

Also, alibaba's lemlem'ed is good too, not sure how magicfind affects golddrops or if it infact affects golddrop at all. (if not then alibaba is a cheaper alternative with some good magicfind)

Agree with krischan, maybe best to have a cube and 8 free squares in your inventory plus an identifying tome. (would make it 1 cube, 1 identifying tome, 1 T, 1 Gheed, 5 warcries/gold GC's, 1 anni, 5 gold sc's)

Also maybe better to max howl for synergy to 1 point berserk and put 7 points into taunt, and battlecry whenever you can't stun an enemy.

[thegiantturtle]

That goldfind diadem is fantastic, but asfar as i know thats not possible anymore, its either a mechanics Circlet of Wealth or a Chromatic Circlet of Wealth. (You could ofcourse have some crazy rare ones wich could potentionally have wealth and both chromatic and mechanic) A Prismatic Diadem of Wealth can still spawn. He just got lucky and got 2 sockets from larzuk for the lems.



@helvete:
Magic Level
Circlets have a special magic ability which allows players to receive a higher level magical Prefixes and Suffixes on Monster Drops and when Gambling on Circlets. This bonus only applies to the bonuses that appear on Circlets themselves. This does not help generate better Magic Prefixes and Suffixes on other items. So when you receive a Circlet via Gambling or a Monster drop the Magic Level helps increase the chances that a better Magic Prefix or Suffix will appear on it.

Most of the items i gamble for are circlets and amulets (rings too, occasionally something else like boots or belts). So it seems to come in handy to have a diadem like the one of mephiztophelez when gambling for circlets.You misinterpreted the awful wording on the arreat summit. The magic level bonus on circlet class items just increases the maximum alvl that can be spawned on that item. It does not affect the maximum alvl of other items. Holding a diadem in your stash is no different from holding any other hat in your stash: it just takes up 4 squares of space and doesn't do anything.

Also, alibaba's lemlem'ed is good too, not sure how magicfind affects golddrops or if it infact affects golddrop at all. (if not then alibaba is a cheaper alternative with some good magicfind)MF and GF are completely separate and do not affect each other at all.

[Doppel]

A Prismatic Diadem of Wealth can still spawn. He just got lucky and got 2 sockets from larzuk for the lems.

You misinterpreted the awful wording on the arreat summit. The magic level bonus on circlet class items just increases the maximum alvl that can be spawned on that item. It does not affect the maximum alvl of other items. Holding a diadem in your stash is no different from holding any other hat in your stash: it just takes up 4 squares of space and doesn't do anything.


But wearing a diadem when gambling for circlets (or dropping a circlet from a monster or chest and so on) raises the maximum alvl right? (because of magic level 18 of Diadem).
You know what, i think i'm way off and alvl is just higher when you gamble for circlets or drop one nomatter if you wear one or not. :undecided:

About the 2 sockets, how did he get that from Larzuk? Bugged or something?

[thegiantturtle]

But wearing a diadem when gambling for circlets (or dropping a circlet from a monster or chest and so on) raises the maximum alvl right? (because of magic level 18 of Diadem).
You know what, i think i'm way off and alvl is just higher when you gamble for circlets or drop one nomatter if you wear one or not. :undecided:You were way off, but it looks like you got it now. The alvl calculation takes into the magic level of the item itself (just like it takes into account the item's qlvl and ilvl). Don't worry, you're not the first person to be confused by that and you won't be the last.

As a side note, you probably want to gamble coronets instead of circlets. In general both coronets and circlets can normally upgrade to tiaras and then diadems. When gambling though, it is already determined if items will upgrade, and the base version of the upgraded item is shown. Both circlets and coronets upgrade to tiara, but when downgrading back to display on the screen, they will always downgrade to coronet. That's just a little trivia for ya.

About the 2 sockets, how did he get that from Larzuk? Bugged or something?No bug. Magic items get 1 or 2 sockets from Larzuk, with equal chance at each (Except for items whose base item can get one socket max).

[Doppel]

Thanks for clearing all those things up, i'm amazed that magic items could have 2 sockets, if i only knew (have been very unlucky then seeing that i never had 2 sockets from Larzuk with magic items :cry: )
Can you imagine me putting on a diadem whenever i gambled for circlets? :embarassed: :laugh:

[VoX Dei]

What about goldfind? To my knowledge it aint on arreat.
(goldfind pwns mf imo)

There is no cap on gold find like was said here before. Theoretically, a barb + act 3 iron wolf would get the most of it. In practice it's a different story. I mean GL killing anything with this setup ^^

Most GF Character: Barbarian 2690% gf

Perfect Artisan’s Tiara of Greed (3xLem) 230%
Wealth armor 300%
Perfect Goldwrap 80%
Chance Guards 200%
Perfect Magic Boots of Greed 80%
6 Sockets Weapon (6xLem) x 2 900%
Dwarf Star x 2 200%
Perfect Magic Amulet of Greed 80%
Perfect Gheed's Fortune 160%
Perfect Grand Charm of Greed x 9 360%
Perfect Small Charm of Greed x 10 100%

Most GF Merc: Act 3 Iron Wolf 1180% gf

Perfect Artisan’s Tiara of Greed (3xLem) 230%
Wealth armor 300%
6 Sockets Weapon (6xLem) 450%
4 Sockets Shield (4xLem) 200%

Σ = 3870%, that is almost 4000% like helvete said.

Just a note on the listed gear, it may vary but will give the same gf totals nevertheless (e.g., perfect gf magic and rare amulets both have 80% gf).

[Doppel]

Yep, but like you said, i wouldn't want my merc to wear nothing but GF gear (and certainly not an act 3 merc), unless doing the trav runs in nightmare (wich could then possibly acumulate more gold then an almost no GF merc in hell, but still be quite a difficult) but then you don't have the chance at some possible item drops in hell (and most items are worth 35000 there anyways, so just pick up a few leave game and sell them at the beginning of the next game)