Post all your cool pvp vid's: harryhaller edition pro ;)

[pure]

Ok. I was wondering is here allready post like this :)
but the point is put your link from pvp clip...
and let us rate it :)

edit: video library can be found here http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=543344, we submit and discuss vids in this thread

Link was broken "fix'd by pure"

[mainaman]

I don't know if these are cool but here we go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSZtRDsSmhs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StTlpvKVNkY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lXdeAOeO9I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVq3kjsPASY

[wizAdept]

Here is a bunch of random stuff I have uploaded:


d2pk, kick vs kick duels:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T0Hx7votAg
http://media.putfile.com/close-kvk-duel
d2pk, chainnamelocking a necro:
http://media.putfile.com/First-d2pk-fraps-victim-

useast nl, kick/bow vs bvc:
http://media.putfile.com/trev-avb-01
http://media.putfile.com/trev-avb-02
http://media.putfile.com/trev-avb-03
http://media.putfile.com/trev-avb-04
useast nl, bowsin vs bowsin duels:
http://media.putfile.com/sath-bowvsbow-01
http://media.putfile.com/sath-bowvsbow-02
useast nl, kick vs kick duels:
http://media.putfile.com/zacpk
useast nl, pvm kicksin vs sorc:
http://media.putfile.com/gert-04-low
useast nl, some random duels:
http://media.putfile.com/closecall-05
http://media.putfile.com/namelock-lol
http://media.putfile.com/tour-01
http://media.putfile.com/ph-02

Some really old duels from east, first vids I posted:
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Zaiychik

Some opponents are better than others, some of it was just videos I posted to show basic tactics. enjoi.



btw video of me vs jai coming soon, taking longer to release it due to procrastination and stuff.

[MysticDragon]

How to delay teleport using a BvC. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRCeCe2vf9A)

[pure]

Hi again there was some nice pvp vid's especially i liked that BvC video :I

lets try have more vids... tell your friends etc "we want more!":grin:

[HappyAssassin]

Cool vids wiz, the 2nd bow v barb one made me go awwwww. It's hard enough to kill a good barb with a ww or kicksin, having one kill you when he's so close to death just sucks.

As for vids, I have a WW/Trap vs. Hdin to post up, I might make some more with my new pure ghost but tien @ US West NL has already covered most of the good matchups.

[wizAdept]

Cool vids wiz, the 2nd bow v barb one made me go awwwww. It's hard enough to kill a good barb with a ww or kicksin, having one kill you when he's so close to death just sucks.
Yeah I thought I was gonna get clipped by desync ww at the end when he namelocked me, so I didn't risk shooting a guided and tele'd off asap. I still coulda pk'd him at that point but I couldn't tell if he had 1 hp or 30hp, once again being too cautious worked against me, shoulda just tele'd in and ph'd from offscreen, my mistake. =\
Oh well always something to learn and just not repeat mistakes next time.
Trev is a gg bvc player though, always close duels vs him.

[SicHalo]

wizadept played well i was impressed with the ga and this has given me some ideas to try with my ww/trapper vs barbs.
But this barb was hardly gg tbh i know i always criticise but firstly this barb did not even utilise leap,i dont need to explain leap as i think u guys should know how it works.
Secondly u would not do a long whirl like that as in one section it looks like he did a namelock ww, which means he simply then is exposed to get shreaded by traps and GAs.
Thirdly Doom flash?
fourthly if worst came to worst he could have bought in widowmaker action which would equal an offensive sin or die to gas due to ow

[stuslegend]

yea i agree, the barb wasnt very gg .....

im working on a mixed video with my bowzon atm, will be up today or tommorow

[mainaman]

wizadept played well i was impressed with the ga and this has given me some ideas to try with my ww/trapper vs barbs.
But this barb was hardly gg tbh i know i always criticise but firstly this barb did not even utilise leap,i dont need to explain leap as i think u guys should know how it works.
Secondly u would not do a long whirl like that as in one section it looks like he did a namelock ww, which means he simply then is exposed to get shreaded by traps and GAs.
Thirdly Doom flash?
fourthly if worst came to worst he could have bought in widowmaker action which would equal an offensive sin or die to gas due to owit looks like those duels are on d2pk. the lag there pretty much makes bvc's not the best char to play.

[Kiba]

Awrooo , heres some of my various stuff over the past year.

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=Wolfz666

[pure]

YAY kiba i luw your necro (and wolf too) :) nice vids... watched several times those necro vids :P rofl at that fast wolf vid:laugh:

[HappyAssassin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ9HuOQFyu4

Hey ya'll, just posted this vid of WW/Trapper vs. Desync Hdin. First duel is a pretty good demo of anti-hdin tactics. The second lil clip is to emphasize NEVER STAND STILL. Anyway, enjoy. Music is Andre Nikatina, bay area rapper extrodinaire (honestly I think he records all his songs in one take, music was by request of a friend.)

[Arbedark]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ9HuOQFyu4

Hey ya'll, just posted this vid of WW/Trapper vs. Desync Hdin. First duel is a pretty good demo of anti-hdin tactics. The second lil clip is to emphasize NEVER STAND STILL. Anyway, enjoy. Music is Andre Nikatina, bay area rapper extrodinaire (honestly I think he records all his songs in one take, music was by request of a friend.)

Brilliant first duel Happy! Second one is what happened on my Kick / Trapper a lot >.<

[wizAdept]

The second lil clip is to emphasize NEVER STAND STILL. vouch this. Nice vid happy. I tend to like to add in r/w into my tactics vs hammerdins but thats a pretty good demonstration of how to duel vs them. You didn't really catch him with prewhirling through his desync too much, but you're using the tactic correctly. gds.

[pure]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ9HuOQFyu4

Hey ya'll, just posted this vid of WW/Trapper vs. Desync Hdin. First duel is a pretty good demo of anti-hdin tactics. The second lil clip is to emphasize NEVER STAND STILL. Anyway, enjoy. Music is Andre Nikatina, bay area rapper extrodinaire (honestly I think he records all his songs in one take, music was by request of a friend.)

wow cool vid dude :P "We Want More"

ill start making vid after my necro reach 90 :P

[Moritz]

happy what's your fcr in those duels? seems like 30 or 42 to me, so I think you're using angelics in this duel?
or am I wrong?

btw when i duel hdins I usually whirl south. You whirl north several times. Is there any reason for that?

Thanks, moe

[Speedasin]

Post more kick duels! I think it's more difficult to use than WW and damn it is a lot funner! IMO...

[Moritz]

kicking is not harder to use ww. I mean, at least not than _correct_ ww.

how come you think so?

[Arbedark]

kicking is not harder to use ww. I mean, at least not than _correct_ ww.

how come you think so?

He means the actual build, not just the skill, which is true. Since kicking Melee = death 99% of the time if you don't know what to do.

[Speedasin]

It's a moving melee attack that maintains your weapon block and you can do drive-by WW's as well as tight tri-whirls, just seems you can have a higher level of error when compared to kicks.

Something about kicks though, just so damn fun.

[Moritz]

He means the actual build, not just the skill, which is true. Since kicking Melee = death 99% of the time if you don't know what to do.


Ok, then I got him wrong.

Because I think that Tele-Talon is not harder to perform than good whirls. IMO it's a lot easier.
Against certain charclasses I find kicking 'safer' than ww, because if you overshoot once with ww in the wrong moment, you're dead almost instantly.

[Speedasin]

I wish all I had to do with tele-talon with kicks. :)

BTW love those kick vs. kick duels wizadept.

[Moritz]

sure it's not all about tele-talon. I use kicks a lot myself, but the use not easier than whirling. (I play ww/kick/trap, like happy's guide combined with 7/3/3 kicks)

[HappyAssassin]

happy what's your fcr in those duels? seems like 30 or 42 to me, so I think you're using angelics in this duel?
or am I wrong?

btw when i duel hdins I usually whirl south. You whirl north several times. Is there any reason for tha

My FCR there is 65, from circlet + arach + trangs + fcr ring. I'm using a Fools claw for AR boost, besides that its a stock WW/Trapper setup. I'm bos'd because I was sure he was going pure hammerdin against me, in pubs or for a first duel I always stay faded for DR. Trap damage is 7.9k, venom is level 46.

Whirling south is the safest way to WW vs. a hammerdin, but its all about feel. If you see that trap stun and his hammer casting have come together in such a way that its safe, you can WW him from other angles. So the reason for WWing north is that I want to hit him, simple as that, and in whatever situation I feel that it's relatively safe.

[Speedasin]

As a hybrid you can always fall back on your WW. I don't know, WW is easier for me but I have more fun with kicks. It looks cool and it is much more rare, just more fun for me. That's what it is all about, eh? I'm trying to work on a kicker right now, BoS based (because it's fun). Gear is a problem because I'm poor ever since I restarted.

Even against Windies, hammerdin, Necros, and classes where kicks are supposed to be better I want to WW. It seems I have to do a thousand things right for me to win at times. Against BvC's or a Smiter I think you have to have some godly timing to win or teletalon at the end of a WW and then repeat that like 5 times and don't get hit with barbs WW...so yeah God n luck.

Sorry, for going off topic. Keep the videos coming, I love watching dueling videos.

[Moritz]

alright, so it only seemed slow in the video.

Thanks for answering. the BoS thing is clear. didnt you say you se a +5 ls suwayyah and thus 10fpa trap with fade btw?

[HappyAssassin]

No, no, I use only claws that will get me 9 frame traps in Fade mod these days. That's the same old +5 fools suwayyah in that vid though, since I was in BoS mode.

[ThatWasShockin]

Here's a few with a melee sorc I just made, still haven't quite got my full gear figured out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_Hedybe7vw

[pure]

that melee sorc vid was pretty cool but if you could get some1 killed would be awesome... btw wich weapon are you using? :O

[mainaman]

that melee sorc vid was pretty cool but if you could get some1 killed would be awesome... btw wich weapon are you using? :O
these are gear dependent, and thy can kill alot as i have witnessed many times.

[Uncle_Mike]

these are gear dependent, and thy can kill alot as i have witnessed many times.

It's a shame there are so few melee sorcs on realms - it is a fun char, I should build one some day :smiley:

@Everyone - nice vids :) keep' em coming :thumbsup:

[stuslegend]

Here's a few with a melee sorc I just made, still haven't quite got my full gear figured out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_Hedybe7vw

this game was in normal, just so people know........
and why do u have minor healing pots?

[pure]

It's a shame there are so few melee sorcs on realms - it is a fun char, I should build one some day :smiley:

@Everyone - nice vids :) keep' em coming :thumbsup:

Yup YO uncle mike :)

id like to know is it possible to get this thread sticky... videos are allways cool and nice to see :prop:

thx to all from nice vid's i love to watch em :P "We Want More"!:grin:

[SicHalo]

nice mele sorc i remember in a pub seeing a mele sorce with a simular layout 3-0 some barb,and beat another, and it seemed to hold its own vs alot of other chars :O

[ThatWasShockin]

Got more vids. I have minor healing pots because I started the game with them and never used them haha. And yea all these duels were in norm, nobody seems to like to play in hell. In hell my damage sky rockets against most people.

Melee sorc Vs. Barbs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFQVtr45V98

Melee sorc Vs. Druids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q07mceILrZA

Melee sorc Vs. Necros/pallys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zy1orPwjLg

[Dennis_KoreanGuy]

You could do a lot better by

1) playing in hell
and
2) chugging some blues

so much untapped potential for your sorc.

wow, must be nice to zap minions away so fast

[ThatWasShockin]

I don't like to pot. I'd love to play in hell games, but nobody does there.

[Camden]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9YsxulaH7C0
^ not the best ; barbs are tough to play d2pk
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zcsxZpgl8GM
^ came with my guide but still okay imo

I'm working on a genuine one for my druid now that I've started playing 'em seriously again ~ ~

[MysticDragon]

MCM has some nice BvC videos on Youtube. Just type in mcm375 and you'll get quite a few.

barbs are tough to play d2pk

I know what you mean.

[Camden]

MCM has some nice BvC videos on Youtube. Just type in mcm375 and you'll get quite a few.



I know what you mean.

It'll get better. Idk if you check the forums there but to quote eve:



What exactly is wrong with barb bps n all? I was pretty sure they were ****ed up somehow but not sure what exactly it is =\

And

/agree


Well, barbs get fhr locked by 1 trap, the fhr completely sucks, barbs hardly ever got fhr locked back on east, also their WW breakpoint is ****ed up, you can play as crisp and perfect as you want and youll end up doing buffmasta whirls. You tele too quick and try to ww=standstill. You have to wait atleast a second before you can attempt an attack or else you just get standstill ww locked, that one second allows most people to get away, i dont know about you but playing wwsin or ww barb vs a caster relies heavily on timing.Even skilled barb and wwsin players have this problem, **** that wouldnt happen on east, im not complaing, it just simply needs to be fixed, and altering bps is probably the easiest thing possible as youve seen with tmc mod etc.

[Box]

Yeah Camden, I have no idea what the hell Eve was talking about . . .

Its not a bp issue, there is something else at play. First of all, I constantly double-tele on a barb with more than 40 fcr, when I can tele fine on a 200 fcr sorc two seconds later.

Another issue is the "ww too soon after tele" ww in place lag. But that happens with asn's too.

[ThatWasShockin]

I hate the tele ww on d2pk it sucks haha.

[mainaman]

Yeah Camden, I have no idea what the hell Eve was talking about . . .

Its not a bp issue, there is something else at play. First of all, I constantly double-tele on a barb with more than 40 fcr, when I can tele fine on a 200 fcr sorc two seconds later.

Another issue is the "ww too soon after tele" ww in place lag. But that happens with asn's too.
well it happens for sins too cuz ww is somehow messed up. basically barbs are good to duel smiters/hammerdins anything that dont requre tele...
although i can do farely well vs most sorcs too...

[ThatWasShockin]

Another thing i noticed is if you are using ww on a sin and lvl you get stuck in the animation and have to rejoin the game.

[wizAdept]

I know people are saying teleww is horrible on d2pk but honestly I dont see that much of a difference. Yeah it happens to me on wwsin but, if you adjust to the timing you can avoid it, and ww from tele just as fast as on battlenet, just dont click too early after the tele. =\
idk I play on wwsin all the time and it doesnt bug me, and I've fooled around on friend's barb before and didnt notice it.

As for the fhr issue I think kylev was talking out of his ***. Trev teles out of my wof on d2pk just as fast as on east. If someone is getting fhr locked too ez it might just be their connection.


Another thing i noticed is if you are using ww on a sin and lvl you get stuck in the animation and have to rejoin the game.Thats a bug on battlenet as well.


I don't like to pot. I'd love to play in hell games, but nobody does there.I always create hell games, you're right that most players don't though. A lot of people are just lazy to rush to hell. =\
Hell duels are better I agree. Hopefully in the next patch new chars will start with all difficulties unlocked.

[HappyAssassin]

Yo, new vid here. Another ww/trapper vs. desync hammer. It was a good close duel, sadly he ended it with a very nice sync. Anyway, there are some good tactics in here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7N_EFUIQ60

[wizAdept]

holylag batman.
How can you duel like that happy, lols. Your screen freezes after like every other teleport.

[Uncle_Mike]

holylag batman.
How can you duel like that happy, lols. Your screen freezes after like every other teleport.

My thoughts exactly :smiley: Good to see ON TOPIC posts again btw :wink:

[HappyAssassin]

Yeah its kinda difficult :(

[HappyAssassin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdVW2Xzkyt8

Nother vid, this one I like :) Ghost vs. Ghost is always fun. Pay close attention to what he types in the beginning :)

[pure]

Yo those vids was pretty cool... im prolly making next char like that :)

and asking again about that is there chance to get this thread sticky?
seems this is pretty populat thread.

cheers pure "We Want More"

[Xombie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIUlcKZlYUE

#1 ghost vs hdin vid

[Rabbitz]

Nice, its always good to see mighty hammerdins getting stumped by suicide runs =D

[HappyAssassin]

Yah tien's vids are sick, that hammerdin is kinda stationary though.

[ThatWasShockin]

Yah tien's vids are sick, that hammerdin is kinda stationary though.

If you wanna see a hammerdin that doesn't move much ask wizadept how bad I am haha.

Melee sorc vs. 2 hdins.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wked3KW3M1k

[Xombie]

Yah tien's vids are sick, that hammerdin is kinda stationary though.

He duels every hdin like that though afaik --

[stuslegend]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4diLtsA0wvc

just a little something i put together this past week

[pure]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4diLtsA0wvc

just a little something i put together this past week

Damn i liked that vid that rocks

cheers pure o/ "We Want More"

[Sechler]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4diLtsA0wvc

just a little something i put together this past week

Nooow wait a second... you didn't show any of my wins (granted there werent' many).
We'll have to do some more of those, they turned out pretty slick :afro: .
Btw, who was that smiter....ouch.

[stuslegend]

Nooow wait a second... you didn't show any of my wins (granted there werent' many).
We'll have to do some more of those, they turned out pretty slick :afro: .
Btw, who was that smiter....ouch.

what wins? :azn: i guess i forgot to record those ones..... lol

the smiter was some guy from the "other" forum (unperm items too)

[DayDream]

stuslegend.. very good video @_@
<.< Items? skills points? stats?

[SlainByPain]

At least you have some decent resists.

[MysticDragon]

That video is quite nice.

This one is interesting. Features mainaman.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wbgvk1cA-j0

Your video made me think about vulture micro for a bit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEUD-u5vxeI

[Camden]

Anyone on d2pk I need duels D:. Both to get in shape (not been playing much T.T) and I rly wanna finish my druid video

/w *Jairo if you wanna make sweet pvp love with me.

[mainaman]

Anyone on d2pk I need duels D:. Both to get in shape (not been playing much T.T) and I rly wanna finish my druid video

/w *Jairo if you wanna make sweet pvp love with me.
i regered a barb to duel you , i'd like to try some things. Hope ill not lag much :sad2:

[Camden]

i regered a barb to duel you , i'd like to try some things. Hope ill not lag much :sad2:

Regeared one? Did you strip your other one? D:

[DayDream]

Oh and that melee sorc looked fun but >> naughty use of mh =P

[mainaman]

Regeared one? Did you strip your other one? D:remember we talked about a lot of ll? i reckon we test that?

[Camden]

remember we talked about a lot of ll? i reckon we test that?

I thought you had like 35% last time we dueled =/.

Sure though. Testing **** is fun.

I still don't think it'd work though... nados deal a good bit more than what can be leeched back...

[wizAdept]

For mcm's barb vs smite challenge.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rch5Al6O87s

Im a pro barb. I know.

[Camden]

iOi that was cute. Widowing a smiter to death.

[mainaman]

iOi that was cute. Widowing a smiter to death.Might be intersting to see what happens when mike slaps on a Widowmaker too
and starts fohing at random keke?

[Uncle_Mike]

Guys, please try to cut down on OT keke :smiley:

Thanks

[clairetay]

wiz im like woot on yur sin lolx... the paladin didnt have a chance >_<
how much ow do u have anyway seriously gg

[wizAdept]

25% from Um'd dweb.
mcm was using andys + treks but I still pierced him like 30-40%
If he had more I would have used 75% ow Um'd fleshripper setup. Same tactics, woulda taken slightly longer though.
He mentioned his latency was acting up so, he could have done better if he was playing without lag but in general smiters tend to have problems catching me. Foh mighta made things more difficult but I can adjust my tactics for that.

Might be intersting to see what happens when mike slaps on a Widowmaker too I dont think I would lose a widowmaker duel, no offense to mcm, he is a gg player.
iga sniping > pallies who dont have shield on.

[ThatWasShockin]

Just made a wwsin, I'm not to good yet but hey.

wwsin vs. druids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsLZb9KbWq0

wwsin vs. pallys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4bQpQ2UDvo

wwsin vs. necros/sorcs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThoIbrQvZkQ

[MysticDragon]

Those duelers were quite bad. Try me. *DB_MysticDragon or *MysticDragon on west.

[pure]

For mcm's barb vs smite challenge.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rch5Al6O87s

Im a pro barb. I know.


erhm quite yees! :D cheers Pure o/ "We Want More"

[ThatWasShockin]

Those duelers were quite bad. Try me. *DB_MysticDragon or *MysticDragon on west.

This sin is on d2pk.

[MysticDragon]

Do you have one on west?

[Smithenator]

The people in those duels were ok, although I wouldnt say quite bad. Although they definatly were a far cry from great.

BTW, I have a wwsin if you care for some duels mystic.

[ThatWasShockin]

Do you have one on west?

Not yet, I plan on making one once I figure out what gear and skill set up I like.

[Gimmershred]

I tried fraps to record some vids, but my computer just can't handle it and my fps was too bad to even walk around town. Does anyone know a recorder that doesn't require a heavy computer?
I want to share some vids from my bearsorc, zealsorc and novasorc.

p.s. enjoyed your meleesorc vid thatwasshockin

[Hyphy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIUlcKZlYUE

#1 ghost vs hdin vid
LOL XOMBIE TAKIN TEINJE'S CREDIT

[wizAdept]

Lol @ #1 ghost. I <3 tienje but he isnt another shevlock or ink.

[Xombie]

LOL XOMBIE TAKIN TEINJE'S CREDIT

Where am I taking credit ? =[

Anyways it was supposed to be read as #1 (ghost vs hdin) vid. Didn't think I had to explain that.

Tienje isn't one with a huge ego or epeen so thats why I <3 him.

[wizAdept]

Tell TienJe to get on d2pk more often. iso more doolz vs him.

[ThatWasShockin]

Tell TienJe to get on d2pk more often. iso more doolz vs him.

I met a wwsin today named dominate that says he wails you today. Make a vid of that duel. I don't believe him because I can almost take him and my gear blows compared to you two.

How do you guys catch these kinds of sorcs? I want videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH95Hjne9Xk

[MysticDragon]

Psychic Hammer can be used for easier namelocks. Try not to get hit too much by teleporting off at an angle instead of straight through. If the Sorceress is too defensive, use a Widowmaker.

[Moritz]

yeah, ph would have been helpful in that duel. I find, that sorc wasn't even that defensive as she teled across your screen quite often.
oh, tele + df would also have helped. hit once, and fall back. OW works wonders :)

ah yes, another thing I wanna add is that I personally find wof + CoS very useful in such duels. because of the dark color of the wofs, they can hardly be seen when it's dark, whereas LS are pretty hard to miss with their glowing light.
Although I'm also ww/ls hybrid, I find myself often playing with lots of wofs vs casters, only occasionally dropping some LS when I find it could surprise my opponent.

[wizAdept]

Lol @ tyler (char name dominate)
We always talk **** to each other for fun, don't believe what he says Lol.
He gets wrecked usually, sometimes its close duels though, maybe I'll post some vids in a bit. >.>


And that sorc didnt seem that hard to catch, a lot of time you weren't namelocking fast enough, and didn't keep the sorc under mindblast enough. That and your whirls were too long at times. Once you catch a sorc stay whirling on them in range 1-2, don't leave claw range stay on them.

And yeah vouch what mortiz said, aside from the comment about using CoS to hide traps, that doesn't work well on d2pk since you can expect most players to use mh. On battlenet (or if players agree to not use mh) that helps though, using CoS to hide traps, and other stuff like hiding traps behind trees and whatnot. <.< It works better against amature players than good ones though.

[Moritz]

oh and btw:

why do you always RUN before dragon flight? that makes an easy target with your slow frw with fade on and a good defensive caster will hardly let you come into his screen with such low frw; plus your clawblock doesnt work while running.
your should definitely use tele + DF if you want to hit with df :>

[Summerfun]

OT this thread is fast becomming the place to look if you wanna learn how to use your ghost/hybrid ww-sin. I LOVE it as im currently making my own.

Keep the great pvp Assassin vids comming, more more more :laugh:

[ThatWasShockin]

oh and btw:

why do you always RUN before dragon flight? that makes an easy target with your slow frw with fade on and a good defensive caster will hardly let you come into his screen with such low frw; plus your clawblock doesnt work while running.
your should definitely use tele + DF if you want to hit with df :>

I don't know why I ran before using df haha, that was actually the very first time I've used it. I also seem to have alot of trouble with trappers, what do you guys do for them? I know I really need to get better at namelocking too, any tips?

[Moritz]

namelocking: practise. concentrate on your namelocking while playing and try to grab them as fast as you can. I mean, you should always try fast namelocking, but if you really emphazise on it, and you will get faster. just practise a lot against fast casting characters.


vs trappers: you got an advantage over other chars vs trappers insofar that you got a movable attack (ww) which allows you to get out of the most namelocks/stunlocks. wear tg if needed, it reduces the dmg you gain a lot.
usually you can tank trappers with ww once you got them; tele around them and watch out for a good situation to get in.
If they play very defensive, try to get them with your traps by throwing your LS into theirs. If you're lucky, they will get hit sometimes and chipped their life away.
Use fury for high ow (assassins usually don't have really high defense, so no need for a fool's claw) and occasionally pop in if you can grab a namelock to inflict ow and let them bleed.
once they got you namelocked + traplocked when you are far away from them , they will be spamming mb + LS per namelock and you are in trouble. best thing you can do it whirl away in a zigzag pattern to avoid getting hit by traps and break their namelock.

really good trappers can be hard. just practise and find your own style.

[HappyAssassin]

Imo don't use widow vs. a fire ball sorc. Do use wake a lot more, and use tele-talon when they get tripped up on one. If you are in danger of getting locked in fireballs while kicking (i.e. if you screw up) then WW them. And of course tight tri-whirls help a lot. If you catch the sorc you should generally kill her, never let a runner get away. They can be much more defensive than that also, and the good ones actually aim so you will have less time before they kill you.

Vs. Trappers you should mix LS with their LS, then hit and run with a WW from namelock. Try to get them to around 1/3 life and then go for a straight up kill, since trappers will go very defensive with low life in the hopes of wearing out your mana.

The smiter getting widowed to death is priceless.

[Lyrs]

How much frw did you have on that Bowzon? She was moving quite fast.

[wizAdept]

How do you guys catch these kinds of sorcs? I want videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH95Hjne9Xk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH2gtAylCKg
Ran into that same sorc and decided to have a quick 5-0.

I make a mistake trying to tele and end up doing a buffsize whirl the first duel but it doesnt effect the outcome. Third duel is a good example of how not to whirl over a sorc. In general it doesnt matter if you go around them neatly or whichever way as long as you stay within range2 at all times, in this case I made my whirl slightly too long and the sorc escaped, meaning I had to catch her again. The rest of the duels were proper catch and smash.
To note: there are much much harder sorcs to catch than that one. This vid should help you understand what you're doing wrong. Seriously that wasnt hard to catch at all.

I met a wwsin today named dominate that says he wails you today. Make a vid of that duel. I don't believe him because I can almost take him and my gear blows compared to you two.
here is a vid.. uh some of this gameplay isnt the best but whatever, its what I had recorded (like two weeks ago) in some practice duels:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWZgTt-dys4

He is dueling extra defensive obviously cause I outdamage him with ww but his 8k LS hurts me pretty bad.
I mess up the third duel and wwlock him instead of mindblasting, which ends up working out badly for me. Oh well =\
The rest of the duels worked out in my favor.
As I mentioned thats not the best gameplay but its a decent demo of how to duel against defensive ww/ls hybrids, can't go as aggressive vs them as pure trappers. Whirls should be medium length vs ww/ls hyrbids, you dont want to dod against wwsins like you would against pure trappers. Also ww is used as a form of mobility. It's good to r/w cause thats faster but using ww to move around keeps weaponblock up while moving.

enjoi the vids.

[ThatWasShockin]

That's a perfect example of what I wanted. Oh boy, I get to add another hotkey to my sin. I forgot all about PH.

[DayDream]

Does everybody mh or something? =3 Seems kinda unfair to the other person considering you can see Traps, hurricane range, and whatever else mh has to offer.
Good triwhirl though >>

[HappyAssassin]

Hmm, that WW/Trapper has really flawed tactics. I know you're a good dueler wiz, that's been demonstrated over and over, but imo that's not sin v sin at its best at all. The hybrid basically lays traps and ww's through them, which is about the most elementary and ineffective way for a ww/trap to duel a pure wwsin. You do a good job taking advantage of his predictablity, but you don't hit him while he's laying traps which is the prime time to land unanswered wws.
Those long whirlwinds take away all of his best oppertunities, for example at 0:31 he does a long whirlwind to escape without namelocking you. He also traps from namelock a total of once, even though he gets locks off screen which is the safest time to do it. If the WW/Trapsin sets up trap fields and defends them, he will lose virtually every time because a good WWsin can tele WW him and leave his shadow in the trap field to draw off shots. WW/Traps needs to be extremely aggressive to have a good chance to win, the goal being to create trap locks that require the WWsin to whirlwind out, then reinforce the lock and force an exchange of whirlwinds in a trap field. I don't mean this in a bashing way, sin v sin is just my favorite duel and it irks me to see a ww/trap executing like this.

The sorc vid is nice but a lil like watching a poodle fight a pitbull, its just clearly unfair. :tongue:

[wizAdept]

Does everybody mh or something? =3 Seems kinda unfair to the other person considering you can see Traps, hurricane range, and whatever else mh has to offer.
Good triwhirl though >>
Yeah its d2pk not battlenet. d2pk is a pvp mod and the version of mh I use is distributed along with the game mod.
I generally expect my opponents to be using it as well. If they don't thats their choice. I have no objections to turning off mh if the other player isnt using it and asks, I have no trouble dueling with or without mh, but unless they ask I consider it fair game since the rules of the d2pk realm allow it.

For anyone that doesn't know my stance on using programs, Ive always played by a "each game has a set of rules to follow as set by the server" mentality to each game. This includes other games not just diablo, as far as d2 goes I do not support the use of cheats on closed bnet as that goes against the policy set by Blizzard as they run those servers. You will not find me using mh there because those are the rules of the game.

d2pk tries to take (in the mods/admins opinion) the best aspects of gm d2 dueling, it is still however, a pvp mod and not supposed to emulate bnet or it's set of rules. I see no problem in using mh if the realm rules allow it. I will agree however that it does give an advantage to those that use it.

Hope that clears up the OT question. <.<

[ThatWasShockin]

Happy you should get on d2pk you can have a char setup in no time. It would would be nice to see more people from here over there, although most people there are dicks you can just ignore them and you will get alot better at pvp really quickly since you don't have to worry about finding items or leveling for very long.

[HappyAssassin]

I tried to use d2pk quite a while ago and found that I had even worse lag than on west (if you watch my vids, its pretty clear my connection is not the best). I'd really like to get a wwsin up there so I could play against the pro east assassins. I'll give it another go, either tomorrow or sometime this week, work permitting.

[wizAdept]

but imo that's not sin v sin at its best at all.Yeah I know its not the best gameplay, I mentioned that. :P

It's just the duels I happen to have had recorded vs tyler and since ThatWasShockin mentioned him specifically I thought I'd post them.
I've dueled a lot harder ww/trap hybrids on d2pk, speaking of which they can really be beasts on this realm cause of the avalibility of 2asn/3ls/3venom/300%ed/fools/40ias/2soc/ethrepair claws. Tyler has a decent build with them but yeah he isn't as good at it as some other players.

Sorry to make your fav build type look bad. Blame Tyler. :P

[wizAdept]

I tried to use d2pk quite a while ago and found that I had even worse lag than on west (if you watch my vids, its pretty clear my connection is not the best). I'd really like to get a wwsin up there so I could play against the pro east assassins. I'll give it another go, either tomorrow or sometime this week, work permitting.Yeah its unfortunate that lag is worse for you westies. =\
Do try though, I'd love to see you on d2pk. At the moment there are quite a number of wwsin players on d2pk, including TienJe, just had some duels against him recently. Fun fun.
Koda and Adrian also play d2pk although not that often.

If the lag isnt too bad for you I'm sure you'd enjoy it. /w *ZaichieK if you do get on d2pk. I'll see if I can help out with you getting a sin up on there.

[Rabbitz]

I saw you were trying to get WoF to active before you went after the soso but.. isnt that slightly useless when you can mb > drop ls > tele//ww and just not let go of them?

[wizAdept]

I saw you were trying to get WoF to active before you went after the soso but.. isnt that slightly useless when you can mb > drop ls > tele//ww and just not let go of them?Uh.. yes and no.
In the case of this sosa I dont think it would make much difference and yeah I could have held a stunlock with ww alone, I have a tendancy to spam mb at times to complete locks with wof (since that initial shot from wof takes a while) before jumping in though, I guess its just a cautious habbit from dueling block sorcs with fhr that can cast through ww stun.

[Rabbitz]

Ah ok, but I just wouldnt have bothered with a sorc like that =[

[jake007]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH2gtAylCKg
Ran into that same sorc and decided to have a quick 5-0.

I make a mistake trying to tele and end up doing a buffsize whirl the first duel but it doesnt effect the outcome. Third duel is a good example of how not to whirl over a sorc. In general it doesnt matter if you go around them neatly or whichever way as long as you stay within range2 at all times, in this case I made my whirl slightly too long and the sorc escaped, meaning I had to catch her again. The rest of the duels were proper catch and smash.
To note: there are much much harder sorcs to catch than that one. This vid should help you understand what you're doing wrong. Seriously that wasnt hard to catch at all.

here is a vid.. uh some of this gameplay isnt the best but whatever, its what I had recorded (like two weeks ago) in some practice duels:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWZgTt-dys4

He is dueling extra defensive obviously cause I outdamage him with ww but his 8k LS hurts me pretty bad.
I mess up the third duel and wwlock him instead of mindblasting, which ends up working out badly for me. Oh well =\
The rest of the duels worked out in my favor.
As I mentioned thats not the best gameplay but its a decent demo of how to duel against defensive ww/ls hybrids, can't go as aggressive vs them as pure trappers. Whirls should be medium length vs ww/ls hyrbids, you dont want to dod against wwsins like you would against pure trappers. Also ww is used as a form of mobility. It's good to r/w cause thats faster but using ww to move around keeps weaponblock up while moving.

enjoi the vids.

Some awesome namelocking skills :thumbsup:
You play a ghostsin right?

[pure]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH2gtAylCKg
Ran into that same sorc and decided to have a quick 5-0.

I make a mistake trying to tele and end up doing a buffsize whirl the first duel but it doesnt effect the outcome. Third duel is a good example of how not to whirl over a sorc. In general it doesnt matter if you go around them neatly or whichever way as long as you stay within range2 at all times, in this case I made my whirl slightly too long and the sorc escaped, meaning I had to catch her again. The rest of the duels were proper catch and smash.
To note: there are much much harder sorcs to catch than that one. This vid should help you understand what you're doing wrong. Seriously that wasnt hard to catch at all.

here is a vid.. uh some of this gameplay isnt the best but whatever, its what I had recorded (like two weeks ago) in some practice duels:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWZgTt-dys4

He is dueling extra defensive obviously cause I outdamage him with ww but his 8k LS hurts me pretty bad.
I mess up the third duel and wwlock him instead of mindblasting, which ends up working out badly for me. Oh well =\
The rest of the duels worked out in my favor.
As I mentioned thats not the best gameplay but its a decent demo of how to duel against defensive ww/ls hybrids, can't go as aggressive vs them as pure trappers. Whirls should be medium length vs ww/ls hyrbids, you dont want to dod against wwsins like you would against pure trappers. Also ww is used as a form of mobility. It's good to r/w cause thats faster but using ww to move around keeps weaponblock up while moving.

enjoi the vids.


heh not so bad :) i liked em by my self.
and so "We Want More"

[spankthesmiter]

i only have 4 vids right now i put them all on 1 link for u guys

http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&q=diablo%202%20spank&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wv

there u go plz watch and enjoy

[MysticDragon]

i only have 4 vids right now i put them all on 1 link for u guys

http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&q=diablo%202%20spank&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wv

there u go plz watch and enjoy

They aren't very good. You might want to record your duels without nightlight. What realm do you play on? Ladder or non?

[spankthesmiter]

i play on west ladder i am making more vids these are my first one's i have made to try it out:azn:

[Camden]

Lolsmitervideo

Couldn't count how many times you missed namelocking someone that was standing still

[stuslegend]

i play on west ladder i am making more vids these are my first one's i have made to try it out:azn:

please dont make anymore....
you need some more practice

[PhuQ]

i only have 4 vids right now i put them all on 1 link for u guys

http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&q=diablo%202%20spank&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wv

there u go plz watch and enjoy

All I can see are some random kills (oh noes you killed tal sorc, gz) and you typing "haha" all the time... Do not make videos anymore, unless your skill improves.

PS: Music is terrible, sorry

[ThatWasShockin]

Got my wwsin on west up to 80 and went to a duel game where I got called out for a 1v1. My gear still sucks but that will change soon I hope.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdNpOjalBwE

[Uncle_Mike]

All I can see are some random kills (oh noes you killed tal sorc, gz) and you typing "haha" all the time... Do not make videos anymore, unless your skill improves.

PS: Music is terrible, sorry

No need to bash him anymore guys, I am quite sure he has already got your message :thumbsup:

Thank you,

Mike

[Moritz]

Got my wwsin on west up to 80 and went to a duel game where I got called out for a 1v1. My gear still sucks but that will change soon I hope.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdNpOjalBwE


seems like you are very low on hp and ... why the hell do u use bos against an elemental druid? you wont have any %DR (almost).

[mainaman]

i only have 4 vids right now i put them all on 1 link for u guys

http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&q=diablo%202%20spank&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wv

there u go plz watch and enjoyyeah pretty much , nothing noticeable. Pub game kills, enough said

[HappyAssassin]

Your whirlwind @ 0:53 is quite nice Shocking. Besides that, you should try for some faster claws, you can see the IAS drop off when you switched to fade (even though that was the right idea, dying in 2 nados is not fun). That druid played pretty foolishly, he's very offensive and trying to tele-stomp you, which just doesnt work, plus he stays on your map to resummon ><. You mix wake and ls decently, though when you have a bunch of ls in a line on the target you need to use wake to prevent run-out. Also, at one point you teleported on him with no traps or mb and tried to triwhirl. Because the druid was kinda weak, you didn't die from that, but against a good one thats a sure way to lost a lotta hp, make sure you seperate him from minions before you do that.

[stuslegend]

Got my wwsin on west up to 80 and went to a duel game where I got called out for a 1v1. My gear still sucks but that will change soon I hope.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdNpOjalBwE

ight, i watched this and noticed something a little weird....
at 1:57 u teleport and out of nowhere u get a namelock+mindblast on the druid and hes not even on ur screen, and ur cursor is down below ur feet..

i know a good namelock when i see one.... but this was just weird


can anyone else take a look at this and comment

[Sechler]

ight, i watched this and noticed something a little weird....
at 1:57 u teleport and out of nowhere u get a namelock+mindblast on the druid and hes not even on ur screen, and ur cursor is down below ur feet..

i know a good namelock when i see one.... but this was just weird


can anyone else take a look at this and comment

Stu, as u know I’m not familiar w/ fraps, but does it cut off part of the comp screen when recording. If so it’s possible he had it since the nec went by and you couldn’t see it to left. Although, he made some skill changes which woulda been crazy hard .

[Smithenator]

@stuslegend: I looked at what you are talking about and you're right, his cursor is not on the very edge of the screen, but more in the lower section of the screen. If I had to guess I would say he got a hold of the druid just before the druid's teleport moved him.

[MysticDragon]

Fraps cuts it off at 30 seconds. It looks like he was cut off then he pressed the record button again. 1:57 is close to 2 minutes.

[ThatWasShockin]

seems like you are very low on hp and ... why the hell do u use bos against an elemental druid? you wont have any %DR (almost).

I had BoS on because I have slow claws and my trap laying speed sucks with fade, normally I would use fade all the time like I do in the last few duels. If you notice I have stats left to use, about 150 of them =), that's one reason I'm low on hp. I only have about 2500 hp in these duels.

[ThatWasShockin]

ight, i watched this and noticed something a little weird....
at 1:57 u teleport and out of nowhere u get a namelock+mindblast on the druid and hes not even on ur screen, and ur cursor is down below ur feet..

i know a good namelock when i see one.... but this was just weird


can anyone else take a look at this and comment

Yea I have to push the record button every 30 seconds and I sometimes forget to push it right away.

[Moritz]

just made my first pvp vids. It's pretty bad quality because I'm not really familiar with hypercam and which config would be best for my pc (it's not the newest comp), so ... sorry for bad quality.

those are pretty random duels I made this morning when I just downloaded Hypercam, except the duels vs mage which were made in priv game with a mate.
I hope they arent too bad, although the quality aint the best and I'm lagging a bit.
anyway here they are:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UJ79BxPJT0Y (ww/ls vs hammerdin)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VVSlxDcHQVc (ww/ls vs mage 1)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=SLnbTYxpjkc (ww/ls vs mage 2)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YfozEF4EI-M (V/t vs bvc)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kGiu3MDgr-s (ww/ls vs lightsorc)

[HappyAssassin]

I like the ww/ls vs. mage ones very much. You would have won em both if you didnt run outta mana, which was unfortunate. Still, features a nice use of traps, especially the second duel where you really lock him up.

V/T vs. BvC was exciting! Super close is always cool. I do wonder why you didnt convict him for your foh, seems to me that would have help a lot if he didnt stack for it.

Lol @ the poor lightsorc.

[wizAdept]

Some of those opponents (mainly sorc and barb) didnt seem to know what they were doing. On your part - nice gameplay but really hard to watch due to the quality.

Make sure to record uncompressed with hypercam then later compress with virtualdub and some type of xvid or divx codec, that'll make it less laggier while recording and the quality much much better. There also appears to be some keyframe problem with your videos I dont know if thats due to hypercam or your compression method.

[Moritz]

yeah sorry again for the quality and thx for feedback :)

@ vt vs bvc: that barb is a mate and my vt is built with lvl1 convic and i know he stacks^^ so I didnt bother using conv :>


and yeah that sorc was the first caster I met in ffa, she ... yeah .. wasnt hard but I fekt like uploading it anyway.


hmm record uncompressed? I think I tried that first but then I lagged damn much.
/e: ya just tried it. If I play uncompressed I see like 1 picture/sec =)
Those vids were made with 60% and that was the cap for me I think. If I turn it up, I wont be able to play fluently anymore ;(

/e2: hey, I think I got it ;D trying it out, maybe more better quality vids soon

[wizAdept]

Strange. It works kinda opposite for me, if I compress while recording with hypercam then I lag like crazy. (not to mention the compression quality is bad)

My settings on hypercam are cursor/full frame capture ratio set to 1, keyframes every 100 frames. Recording @ 26.5 frames per sec. Then when I compress with virtualdub I change the framerate to 25 frames so that it doesnt look sped up due to some sync or frameskip problem with hypercam.
I still can't get the sound to record right most of the time =\ fraps had a whole lot less problems but unfortunatly I can't get fraps to work in windowed mode.

[ThatWasShockin]

The mage seems to have a pattern on how he moves, it seems like it would have just been better to do ww most of the time instead of trying to get him in a trap lock. He always charged around in the same oval shape so you could have done namelock and ww in the direction he went.

[MysticDragon]

I'm just wondering... Why not walk versus barbs?

[Moritz]

yeah well, that mage is a mate of mine and he knows I got no stack gear on my sin atm, so he's playing a griffon setup with high focus on foh (you might have noticed that he fohs a lot and damages me a lot with it).

and he should definitly spam some more random hammers to prevent me from tele/wwing him in a continuing row, but I would just fall back then and play more def.
mage vs ww/ls are always nice duels, imo.


and @ wiz: I fixed that prob now with uncompressed recording and it works properly, just 1 thing ... I just tested it for a few secs and that small vid even took 228MB space or so ... is that normal? I mean, if i record a duel like that first one vs mage, it's going to take several gigabites^^

@ mystic: why should I? charge is an attack and thus keeping 75% block while charging (like a whirling barb, that's what I've been told). I always press shift while telesmiting vs barbs because I dont want to walk behind them. Why would I want it?

[mainaman]

yeah well, that mage is a mate of mine and he knows I got no stack gear on my sin atm, so he's playing a griffon setup with high focus on foh (you might have noticed that he fohs a lot and damages me a lot with it).

and he should definitly spam some more random hammers to prevent me from tele/wwing him in a continuing row, but I would just fall back then and play more def.
mage vs ww/ls are always nice duels, imo.


and @ wiz: I fixed that prob now with uncompressed recording and it works properly, just 1 thing ... I just tested it for a few secs and that small vid even took 228MB space or so ... is that normal? I mean, if i record a duel like that first one vs mage, it's going to take several gigabites^^

@ mystic: why should I? charge is an attack and thus keeping 75% block while charging (like a whirling barb, that's what I've been told). I always press shift while telesmiting vs barbs because I dont want to walk behind them. Why would I want it?yes the vids get quite big , but when you compress they are of decent size.
I use windows movie maker and was able to comperss 8 min long movie to like 6 mb lenght:grin:

[Uncle_Mike]

Is anyone familiar enough with the software (fraps, hypercam) to actually make a video-making guide? That would be nice and help a lot of posters :smiley:

[wizAdept]

and @ wiz: I fixed that prob now with uncompressed recording and it works properly, just 1 thing ... I just tested it for a few secs and that small vid even took 228MB space or so ... is that normal? I mean, if i record a duel like that first one vs mage, it's going to take several gigabites^^Yeah thats normal, uncompressed video takes tons of space. I fill up my other harddrive (120gb) in no time, then just que up all the videos to compress in virtual dub and go out for lunch or something. Compressed videos take very little space by comparison, but it still depends on the quantizer, I usually compress with xvid with quantizer set to 1 for backup, then burn the compressed vids onto dvds. For uploading videos I used to set the quantizer somewhere between 8 and 12 usually, but recently I found I could get better quality by using a program like Adobe Premiere to cut the resolution from 800x600 to 400x300 and use a quantizer 2 or 3 setting. Better quality for the file size.

@ mystic: why should I? charge is an attack and thus keeping 75% block while charging (like a whirling barb, that's what I've been told). I always press shift while telesmiting vs barbs because I dont want to walk behind them. Why would I want it?Im fairly sure thats wrong, to my knowledge pallies get a huge def/block penalty while charging, which is why you should never charge into a ww unless you know your opponent's gameplay is weak.
Anyways the original post I think was asking why you run instead of walk, you can set a hotkey to toggle run/walk, when playing around on pallies I usually have it set to ctrl, I use run mode vs casters, and switch to walk while dueling barbs and the like. You can still charge in run mode and will charge at full speed, but will walk around when you walk normally, and thus keep your def/block while doing so.

[mainaman]

Im fairly sure thats wrong, to my knowledge pallies get a huge def/block penalty while charging, which is why you should never charge into a ww unless you know your opponent's gameplay is weak.
Anyways the original post I think was asking why you run instead of walk, you can set a hotkey to toggle run/walk, when playing around on pallies I usually have it set to ctrl, I use run mode vs casters, and switch to walk while dueling barbs and the like. You can still charge in run mode and will charge at full speed, but will walk around when you walk normally, and thus keep your def/block while doing so.correct, pallys lose 2/3 of their block while charging, or running for that matter. Only way to keep block is walk, thats why any smiter that knows what they are doing will be in walk mod at all times. As far as i know c/c sins also lose block if in run mode?

[wizAdept]

Yeah c/c sins lose block completly while running or walking, only can block while standing casting or in ww.

[Moritz]

hmm yeah that's what I thought first too, but I asked around at some strategy forums (also here I think) and was told that charge won't drop your block/def.

I am not sure though, but we shouldnt discuss that here I think :)

[mainaman]

Yeah c/c sins lose block completly while running or walking, only can block while standing casting or in ww.how's your barb coming along by the way? wann practice duel vs my tle smiter, i have a reg (non-crazy high def one) that i'd like to try agains barbs?

sorry for the OT.

[Uncle_Mike]

sorry for the OT.

That applies to every second/third post here :wink: You are excused :smiley: just try not to derail the thread and just pm things once it's "personal"

Mike

[Moritz]

just recorded another video, I didnt compress now while recording at all and used virtual dub and wmm then later.

I am not satisfied however, when I compare my vid to yours ... :(
what have I done wrong?

here it is:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ikbgVHTHGwg (ww/ls vs firesorc)

[ThatWasShockin]

Well, I just got owned by happy haha.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb5XysNRLeg

[Moritz]

Well, I just got owned by happy haha.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb5XysNRLeg

hmm either you have low life, or low pr or happy prebuffs venom^^

[Smithenator]

Well, I just got owned by happy haha.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb5XysNRLeg

Are you a ww/trap? Because it seemed like you really didnt use your traps nearly as much as your ww, which would be a mistake seeing as he is using a ghost.

And yeah, looks like your life is kinda low

[HappyAssassin]

Yah I use massive godleh prebuff, x2 3/3 venom claws, bramble, shadow circlet, sojs, massive 5/5 facets!

j/k, his sin has stats to spend and no lifers :P

[ThatWasShockin]

Are you a ww/trap? Because it seemed like you really didnt use your traps nearly as much as your ww, which would be a mistake seeing as he is using a ghost.

And yeah, looks like your life is kinda low

Yea, I'm ww/trap, and I still have alot of stats/skills to use and alot of gear to get. I'm starting to think ghost is the way to go. I find myself using traps mainly to stun unless its a barb and using ww to get the actuall damage/kills.

[spankthesmiter]

lol i suck at the mouse and typing it might have to do with i am always moving around my town hagging out and chilling so just maybe if i give my life up (fat chance) i would get better just to make a duel video for u guys to enjoy. y dont any of u guys try it trust me it would be fun for u??????

[Camden]

lol i suck at the mouse and typing it might have to do with i am always moving around my town hagging out and chilling so just maybe if i give my life up (fat chance) i would get better just to make a duel video for u guys to enjoy. y dont any of u guys try it trust me it would be fun for u??????

Let me know when you graduate kindergarten.

[Moritz]

Yea, I'm ww/trap, and I still have alot of stats/skills to use and alot of gear to get. I'm starting to think ghost is the way to go. I find myself using traps mainly to stun unless its a barb and using ww to get the actuall damage/kills.

hmm actually I don't see your problem. You can definitly play 'ghost-style' against the most casters and use LS mainly against palas and barbs.

[MysticDragon]

lol i suck at the mouse and typing it might have to do with i am always moving around my town hagging out and chilling so just maybe if i give my life up (fat chance) i would get better just to make a duel video for u guys to enjoy. y dont any of u guys try it trust me it would be fun for u??????

Judging by what happened on our duels, you are going to have to do a lot of editing.

[spankthesmiter]

yeah i have a lot more work to do on my part but too many people that play 24/7 need to ez up and think to them selves is this just a game lol. the game is a way i relax in the afternoons but to most people they freak out over it so idk how many actually cry when they get owned. plus i need more people that can gm duel so i can learn and play better but no1 is gm anymore i think lol mystic u were though gg by the way u pwned me :cry:

[pure]

just recorded another video, I didnt compress now while recording at all and used virtual dub and wmm then later.

I am not satisfied however, when I compare my vid to yours ... :(
what have I done wrong?

here it is:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ikbgVHTHGwg (ww/ls vs firesorc)


quite pretty one :P but guys "We Want More"! cheers pure!

[ThatWasShockin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqWVBR6bUHw

The sin at the end of this claims 4k venom damage without prebuff, is that possible? He went to the stash between every duel tho.

[yelopen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqWVBR6bUHw

The sin at the end of this claims 4k venom damage without prebuff, is that possible? He went to the stash between every duel tho.

I doubt that's possible. OH, YOU'RE AAOD-Natalia! I met you in a pub game once when I died to a Smiter and you said WWsins shouldn't lose to Smiters >.< Never dueled you though.

[ThatWasShockin]

Haha, who were you?

[yelopen]

Haha, who were you?

Clarinet.

I just got a nice upgrade on gear, now I need to tune up my dueling skills.

[Smithenator]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqWVBR6bUHw

The sin at the end of this claims 4k venom damage without prebuff, is that possible? He went to the stash between every duel tho.

4k venom is indeed possible if he takes the time to prebuff, although it didnt really look to me like his damage was quite that high.

Watching your duels I notice soon as you get them locked up you tend to go in for ww passes, IMO you should limit yourself to one ww to get open wounds and then go back to trap locking/tele away. If you do that you dont take nearly as much damage from their ww(they hit you less, since they cant ww you on your repeated passes) and there is less of a chance of them coming out on top from those ww encounters.

EDIT: Still havent found you in any pubs o_O

[wizAdept]

just recorded another video, I didnt compress now while recording at all and used virtual dub and wmm then later.

I am not satisfied however, when I compare my vid to yours ... :(
what have I done wrong?

here it is:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ikbgVHTHGwg (ww/ls vs firesorc)It looks kinda grainy =\
What codec did you use to compress it? I use xvid 1.1.2 stable
I dont know what other reason there could be for them looking grainy like that, you can try using premiere's filters to try smoothing it out but that takes a while (overnight rendering) and shouldn't be necessary. =\

On a side note that sorc's spam spam tele when you mindblast spam spam technique was just asking for a chainnamelocked talon -> r/w -> tele to catch her offguard since she always stopped to shoot fb after 2-3 teles. Surprised you didn't do that. ;p

The sin at the end of this claims 4k venom damage without prebuff, is that possible? He went to the stash between every duel tho.I don't think thats even possible, bramblebuff + 6venom facet claws + other unreasonable buff is still ~3.3k venom at most if I remember correctly. The most a unbuffed enigma wearing wwsin should have is ~1.7 or 1.8k, and that's if they are playing a shadow discipline heavy build.

[ThatWasShockin]

I didn't think so, but I'm sure he did prebuff cuz those hits beat the crap out me.

[ThatWasShockin]

Clarinet.

I just got a nice upgrade on gear, now I need to tune up my dueling skills.

I don't remember you, but yea you got the stuff he was about to sell to me haha. Darn me for being poor lol. Oh well, I'll get it eventually. If you want some practice duels let me know, I need more practice too.

[Cheesehed]

does anyone have vids of a good desych hammerdin, most of the hammerdins in these vids suck

[MysticDragon]

Haha, who were you?

I've dueled you with OreoIceCream. Use Dragon Flight less and Teleport more. Also, don't teleport onto a triple self blizzard.

[yelopen]

I don't remember you, but yea you got the stuff he was about to sell to me haha. Darn me for being poor lol. Oh well, I'll get it eventually. If you want some practice duels let me know, I need more practice too.

Sorry >.<
Those were the last of my HRs too heh.

I'd be up for some duels, although with my new gear I think Smithenator might have convinced me to change to a WW/Trapper instead of my current Ghost.

[Moritz]

On a side note that sorc's spam spam tele when you mindblast spam spam technique was just asking for a chainnamelocked talon -> r/w -> tele to catch her offguard since she always stopped to shoot fb after 2-3 teles. Surprised you didn't do that. ;p.


I tried, at 0:28 or so; also, the ww at ~0:39-40 was chainlocked after a DT.
at 1:05 I've lost namelock while trying to DT chainlock; you can still see that I tele'd but like 0.5 sec too late^^

I'll check the codex I used. I think it was an old one (something windows blabla 1), because when I wanted to use any divx codex or so with vdub, an error occured ... how can I update the codex'?

[pure]

okkies nice and cool things... i try to make own vid as soon as possible.
playing with my necro atm so i would like to see few necro videos :D

cheers pure o/ "We Want More"

[mainaman]

a fun duel on D2PK BvC vs Bearzon, he had 12 life(barb bo) and pretty good punch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du5Nhjd-lCw
Dont pay attn to the red color and set glow , its just fancy effects

[ThatWasShockin]

Was that fuzzy? I love watching him duel on that bearzon haha he actually beats tons of people.

[mainaman]

Was that fuzzy? I love watching him duel on that bearzon haha he actually beats tons of people.ye thats ant, he is a tank , in that duel he had barb bo. I thought its cool duel so i frapped it.
after that i dueled him and another bear zon and got ant and almost killed the other one too , small lag messed me up on switch.. anyway then some hammerdins came and started bming so we mollywoped them real quick, it was fun.

[ThatWasShockin]

Yeah, I watched him go head to head with a few barbs while I was playing my melee sorc. He had my bo on then and was still winning. Even quicker when I chanted him.

[Camden]

xFUZZY_WUZZYx was matt, not ant, i thought? ;/. Unless ant uses matt's account, or matt gave it to him ofc...

But yuh, I was || to making one on east. It's funny as hell takes forever to kill. ><

[mainaman]

xFUZZY_WUZZYx was matt, not ant, i thought? ;/. Unless ant uses matt's account, or matt gave it to him ofc...

But yuh, I was || to making one on east. It's funny as hell takes forever to kill. ><
ye lol these apparently tank a lot, the acc wax xantx so i assumed it was Ant. but yes that thing is a pain to kill i tried 3 whirls but that simply didn't work.

Anyway im preparing another video against Dominate, Wizadept here posted a vid dueling him too.

[SicHalo]

a fun duel on D2PK BvC vs Bearzon, he had 12 life(barb bo) and pretty good punch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du5Nhjd-lCw
Dont pay attn to the red color and set glow , its just fancy effects

Nice bear it took almost forever to kill it ^^

looked like something off a horror film where the monster is chasing its victims and they are taking for ever to die despite pumping lead from a gun in it ^^

[mainaman]

hereis another one vs Dominate (ww/trap hybrid)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8cHxm6V3Lg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr7zcxrFI8A)

edited video for better quality , and posted new link here

[ThatWasShockin]

hereis another one vs Dominate (ww/trap hybrid)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr7zcxrFI8A

Nice, he could have done alot better I think tho, does he not know he has mind blast or cloak of shadows?

[mainaman]

Nice, he could have done alot better I think tho, does he not know he has mind blast or cloak of shadows?i dont know haha may be he thought thats enought ww+traps is enough to beat bvc.I'm reediting the vid atm for better quality , will repost new link asap

here is the new link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8cHxm6V3Lg

[ThatWasShockin]

Not sure, but when you kill it looks like your name is krums. But at the beggining it says kruns... which one is it?

Video of me vs smithenator. Also known as my massacre. It's choppy, it was hard to move my hand to the other side of the keyboard to hit record without getting smacked a few times.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbyp6Sejq18

Ok, what am I doing wrong? i have only lost this badly twice now and I don't really like it haha. Any advice, except telling me to sorb, is appreciated.

[mainaman]

Not sure, but when you kill it looks like your name is krums. But at the beggining it says kruns... which one is it?

Video of me vs smithenator. Also known as my massacre. It's choppy, it was hard to move my hand to the other side of the keyboard to hit record without getting smacked a few times.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbyp6Sejq18

Ok, what am I doing wrong? i have only lost this badly twice now and I don't really like it haha. Any advice, except telling me to sorb, is appreciated.
yes its a typo, it took me like 2 hours to compile the vid and find music i like so at the end didn't see the typo, the name is Krums

[mainaman]

Not sure, but when you kill it looks like your name is krums. But at the beggining it says kruns... which one is it?

Video of me vs smithenator. Also known as my massacre. It's choppy, it was hard to move my hand to the other side of the keyboard to hit record without getting smacked a few times.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbyp6Sejq18

Ok, what am I doing wrong? i have only lost this badly twice now and I don't really like it haha. Any advice, except telling me to sorb, is appreciated.
looks like you don't play aggressive enough, maybe a little more offensive. also looks like you don't use mb too much. Whats your gear compared to his? looks like he does more dmg while you ww each other.

[Smithenator]

Thats because he has less life than me, his ww damage is actually a bit higher than mine.

Yeah, my advice would be to first put a bit more emphasis on traps (you mentioned possibly remaking?), I had more life, which let me just ww pass you for the most part and come out on top. Second piece of advice is, like mainaman said, to use mb alot more. Overall you did pretty well considering I had a gear advantage.

[ThatWasShockin]

Thats because he has less life than me, his ww damage is actually a bit higher than mine.

Yeah, my advice would be to first put a bit more emphasis on traps (you mentioned possibly remaking?), I had more life, which let me just ww pass you for the most part and come out on top. Second piece of advice is, like mainaman said, to use mb alot more. Overall you did pretty well considering I had a gear advantage.

Been uber lvling since after those duels to now, traps are at 5k. They could be alot higher if I remade, but the only thing I could change is not getting fade up enough for 50 dr.

He has about 1k life more then I do. Gear wise we have pretty similar set ups, his circlet and ammy are better. I think on charms he just has more lifers then I do.

[Smithenator]

Yeah, dr is tricky if you dont have a 2/15 amulet, I suppose till you get one upping fade is the way to go, but be on the look for a 2/15, helps alot.

[Camden]

ye lol these apparently tank a lot, the acc wax xantx so i assumed it was Ant. but yes that thing is a pain to kill i tried 3 whirls but that simply didn't work.

Anyway im preparing another video against Dominate, Wizadept here posted a vid dueling him too.

Guess matt gave it to ant then D:
Bleh. I need to start playing more, I have half my druid video but I got too bored with it to finish D>

[mainaman]

Guess matt gave it to ant then D:
Bleh. I need to start playing more, I have half my druid video but I got too bored with it to finish D>oh no i dueled them both, after that vid i fraped. we went to a hell game , and i did 1v2 bear zons, fuzzy_wizzy and fuzzy_fireant, so yeah there are atleast 2 of those bearzons on d2pk

[ThatWasShockin]

There is only 1 on west that I know of, and those 2 on d2pk. Don't see many of them.

[wizAdept]

Lol @ tyler getting smashed again.

oh no i dueled them both, after that vid i fraped. we went to a hell game , and i did 1v2 bear zons, fuzzy_wizzy and fuzzy_fireant, so yeah there are atleast 2 of those bearzons on d2pk
There are more:
http://www.d2pk.org/images/april/U39-1176762729.jpg

A lot of people also cloned the bearzons but not too many keep those chars around or play aside from the xfuzzy tagged ones.

Those things tank so much.. maybe I should record a duel of my w/s trapper vs ant, its just funny how long it takes.

[mainaman]

Lol @ tyler getting smashed again.


There are more:
http://www.d2pk.org/images/april/U39-1176762729.jpg

A lot of people also cloned the bearzons but not too many keep those chars around or play aside from the xfuzzy tagged ones.

Those things tank so much.. maybe I should record a duel of my w/s trapper vs ant, its just funny how long it takes.
yes on that vid he has 12k life with barb bo. i dueled Ant and Matt 1v2 no barb bo, and killed ant and almost killed Matt , but my switch lagged and he caught me with bow out :badteeth:. anyway thats a cool char to mess around with

[HappyAssassin]

Ok, what am I doing wrong? i have only lost this badly twice now and I don't really like it haha. Any advice, except telling me to sorb, is appreciated.

It's really hard to explain sin vs. sin over a forum, but maybe we can meet online some time and I'll help you out. *wwsin.

[mephiztophelez]

Ok, what am I doing wrong? i have only lost this badly twice now and I don't really like it haha. Any advice, except telling me to sorb, is appreciated.
a couple of times there you made a seriously bad tele at the beginning straight into his trap field. your also a little slow at times recasting your shadow.

don't feel too bad about it. smitty smashes me on a regular basis.

[HappyAssassin]

hereis another one vs Dominate (ww/trap hybrid)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8cHxm6V3Lg

edited video for better quality , and posted new link here

Wow. He makes a fort and dies in it. :grin:

His Whirlwind did some pretty wicked damage though, it seems like a WW/Trap that plays right could really cause you some problems.

Oh that topic, I'd love to see a vid with max's touted high damage WWsin vs. a BvC.

[mainaman]

Wow. He makes a fort and dies in it. :grin:

His Whirlwind did some pretty wicked damage though, it seems like a WW/Trap that plays right could really cause you some problems.

Oh that topic, I'd love to see a vid with max's touted high damage WWsin vs. a BvC.such duel pretty much ends up with bvc being decimated by max's sin.
He has really sick claw something like 500 max dmg(maybe max will post a s/s of that claw so ppl see what a beat it is ), add fortitude and you should get the picture. I cant beat him , but i cant wear fortitude + coa so untill they patch to 1.11 on d2pk we can't try that. I guess I could l8z for 5 min with widowmaker and prolly get some kills but thats lame imo.

[HappyAssassin]

Mostly I just love the image of a BvC afraid to trade WWs with a sin. :tongue:

[wizAdept]

I happen to have a series of 12 duels between me and mainaman from a while ago. Compressing vids at the moment. <.<

[ThatWasShockin]

Oh that topic, I'd love to see a vid with max's touted high damage WWsin vs. a BvC.

Yea, his sin is very hard to beat. Only way I was able to win was to put a shield on. We had a few close ones when I'd put a widow on, but trying to go whirl for whirl with it is a bad choice. I found a vid of us dueling.

That's the only one I still have, there were others where he could take me down in a few seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9jHXcgphkw

[mainaman]

Here is a duel against Bib, he claims to be one of the top smiters on D2pk...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUSeoOJvML4

unfortunately i fraped only this one, but i think its relatively educational

[wizAdept]

Yea, his sin is very hard to beat. Only way I was able to win was to put a shield on. We had a few close ones when I'd put a widow on, but trying to go whirl for whirl with it is a bad choice. I found a vid of us dueling.

That's the only one I still have, there were others where he could take me down in a few seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9jHXcgphkw

Hah I remember that.
*rumages through dvds*

Got this one from my pov:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLLjHTsFLY4


Venom vs mainaman's bvc in editing, feel like I need to add a soundtrack. I still cant figure out how to record audio from game with hypercam. :rant:

[ThatWasShockin]

Hah I remember that.
*rumages through dvds*

Got this one from my pov:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLLjHTsFLY4


Venom vs mainaman's bvc in editing, feel like I need to add a soundtrack. I still cant figure out how to record audio from game with hypercam. :rant:

You got the good ones where it shows how badly you can rip up a barb, haha nice. Those hits just tore me apart without my shield on. On fraps there is a box you can click if you want the sound recorded, not sure if hypercam has that.

[wizAdept]

Hypercam for some reason records sound form my mic and not the audio out from my computer, the sound options in the program are very limited =\

I'd still use fraps if only I could frap window'd mode instead of fullscreen.

[ThatWasShockin]

There is a full screen and half screen option on fraps. Not sure what it's for, but it might be windows mode if you check the half screen one.

[wizAdept]

There is a full screen and half screen option on fraps. Not sure what it's for, but it might be windows mode if you check the half screen one.Nah thats the resolution it records in. fraps is fullscreen apps only =\
I'll figure it out eventually. Got it to record sound in my kvk video against adrian by unplugging my mic, havent been able to do this again though, just doesn't record no matter what now. I'll figure it out eventually.

[wizAdept]

Venom vs Sote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hUTvRIPkyE

enjoi guys.

[Moritz]

Venom vs Sote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hUTvRIPkyE

enjoi guys.


Cool duels. you said it's a hgih physical damage build? could you tell me how your build looks like?
Is it mainly melee vs melee or got an extra fort switch for such duels?
because I might be interested in testing a high physical damage ghost as well.
Thanks in advance.


@ bearzons: How are those built? Does d/a/e work as a bear?

[wizAdept]

Cool duels. you said it's a hgih physical damage build? could you tell me how your build looks like?
Is it mainly melee vs melee or got an extra fort switch for such duels?
because I might be interested in testing a high physical damage ghost as well.
Thanks in advance.
It's an enigma based physical damage build. Fort switch is made possible by a 39str circlet + 20str ring. I dont use fort outside 1v1 duels against barbs. Enigma is just better for everything else and better in teams.

Fort also smashes other wwsins but its kinda lame imo, I rather just enigma vs enigma wwsin duel.

[Moritz]

It's an enigma based physical damage build. Fort switch is made possible by a 39str circlet + 20str ring. I dont use fort outside 1v1 duels against barbs. Enigma is just better for everything else and better in teams.

Fort also smashes other wwsins but its kinda lame imo, I rather just enigma vs enigma wwsin duel.

do you use max/life charms?

thanks

[mainaman]

do you use max/life charms?

thankshe uses iirc 5skillers rest 3/20/20, and that 5xx max dmg claw+ fortitude , thats prettymuch unbeatable unless barb uses shield or l8zs with wodowmaker

[wizAdept]

4x shadow gcs to make 50dr with fade and other necessities like weaponblock. This is a 1.10 build however since d2pk. For 1.11 I'd probably use 2x shadow/fhr since torch covers the skills better.
The rest of my inv is 320s. Enough fhr for 48 bp, rest 20hp.

Note of caution to making a physical damage wwsin:
My build makes use of some claws that are fairly improbable (not even talking about the 6affix rare/2soc which is allowed on d2pk) on battlenet closed realm:
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/82/deathwn3.jpg

If you're going for a physical damage build on battlenet your best bet is to use a highend eth selfrepair fools/ed%/ias runic. Glitched suwayyahs are avaliable on some realms and you can make the -45wsm southpaw bug combo wtih suwayyah/runic, which is rather sweet for a physical damage build on closed battlenet realm.

[Queen Mebd]

@ bearzons: How are those built? Does d/a/e work as a bear?

Fuzzydodgers or bearzons d/e/a is buggy in bearform but still works (as it probably wasn't originally intended for a bear to be dodging). Rather than an actual dodge animation triggering upon a successful d/e/a, the deshift animation will happen in it's place.

As for how they're built, I'm assuming fort's probably needed for the ed, angelics are probably needed for the ar (I've run across a few that have mentioned ever with they have around 8k ar, though I bet nice charms could bump this up). There's some debate over the weapon, I'd think a 40/15 + lo-ed Griswold's Caduceus would be good for the consistent damage and speed in bearform (and benefit from sharp vita sc's), but I've seen people using Grief phase blades as well. If you're interested in taking a look at different weapons for one, TheDragoon's Wereform Ias Calculator (http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=181367) is a great resource.

As far as skills go, penetrate is a must as you'll have no skill based ar. Critical strike is probably useful for upping average damage dealt during the course of a duel. And of course d/e/a to make these gal's tank so well.:thumbsup:

[ThatWasShockin]

I know people have alot more videos, post them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpcZhHxG2-I

[Summerfun]

Is that a aldurs set fire claw?

[ThatWasShockin]

Is that a aldurs set fire claw?

Haha, Yes it is.

[mainaman]

Haha, Yes it is.haha fun, how much life?
also have you tried duel bear zon on him?

[Queen Mebd]

I know people have alot more videos, post them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpcZhHxG2-I

Nice to see a shiny glowing bear in duels. Not bad tactics for the most part, though you could actually use shockwave more liberally against other druids, well you saw the effect a couple times against the wolf. You really only tried it in the last duel from the looks of it, but a shockwave followed by a few mauls can lock some opponents up nicely (this is pretty dependent on their fhr though). Also, is there any particular reason wolfform is used against other wolves, granted the fhr is nice but I'd think the attack speed you'd be getting in bearform would be more essential. This kind of makes me want to gear one up. :scratch:

On the bearzon topic, the handful I've dueled are an interesting matchup, they can tank like no other. But that seems to be all they do, tank for a long while until they finally drop. A good combination of shockwave and maul and ravens on top of a four frame attack seems to keep then in dodge animation for a better part of the fight. If I recall correctly, dodge animation is seven frames (I could be very wrong here), if this is the case you're swinging almost twice as fast as the amazon is dodging. I'd be inclined to say there's a bit of a class advantage for real bears over amazons shifted into bearform, though I'll admit I may have not met any top-notch fuzzydodgers.

[ThatWasShockin]

haha fun, how much life?
also have you tried duel bear zon on him?

I have 3.4k life with no oak or bo. I could have alot more but I used stats as I got to the lvl to use things instead of waiting, I didn't think I was going to like this guy. I made this guy on west, I've haven't been on d2pk in a few weeks.

Here's his stats so you can see just how sloppy it is. I only have 6 plain ss gcs on, the rest of the charms are res/frw.
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h210/tjxs/aldurstats.jpg

[ThatWasShockin]

Nice to see a shiny glowing bear in duels. Not bad tactics for the most part, though you could actually use shockwave more liberally against other druids, well you saw the effect a couple times against the wolf. You really only tried it in the last duel from the looks of it, but a shockwave followed by a few mauls can lock some opponents up nicely (this is pretty dependent on their fhr though). Also, is there any particular reason wolfform is used against other wolves, granted the fhr is nice but I'd think the attack speed you'd be getting in bearform would be more essential. This kind of makes me want to gear one up. :scratch:

On the bearzon topic, the handful I've dueled are an interesting matchup, they can tank like no other. But that seems to be all they do, tank for a long while until they finally drop. A good combination of shockwave and maul and ravens on top of a four frame attack seems to keep then in dodge animation for a better part of the fight. If I recall correctly, dodge animation is seven frames (I could be very wrong here), if this is the case you're swinging almost twice as fast as the amazon is dodging. I'd be inclined to say there's a bit of a class advantage for real bears over amazons shifted into bearform, though I'll admit I may have not met any top-notch fuzzydodgers.

That was the first time I've actually used the druid, I just grushed and leeched up to lvl 77 then decided to see if I could hurt anything in pvp. If I remember correctly I can only get 7 frame attack with aldurs set, that was 8 frames. With my faith merc I hit 6 frames, but I don't expect her to live in duels. I used wolf form just to see how it would do, I noticed it works alot better against higher defense chars too.

[stuslegend]

am sick of stupid kids nking me because they think i was use aa/gmod or whatever
hopefully this will prove them wrong...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtjEQOy9XSM

[ThatWasShockin]

Nice video, the duel against the wwsin was close.

[yelopen]

Wow, that is some nice namelocking/chainlocking skills :D

What realm are you on? I'd like to try dueling you with my WWsin or sorc, once I get my CD back =.=

[MysticDragon]

Wow, that is some nice namelocking/chainlocking skills :D

What realm are you on? I'd like to try dueling you with my WWsin or sorc, once I get my CD back =.=

East Ladder.

[mainaman]

am sick of stupid kids nking me because they think i was use aa/gmod or whatever
hopefully this will prove them wrong...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtjEQOy9XSMI play east ladder too, i'd like to duel you

East Ladder.i thought you play west?

[ThatWasShockin]

MysticDragon plays west, he was saying stuslegend plays east.

[Camden]

Iso duels on east or d2pk so I can finish my damn druidvideomajigger.

[ThatWasShockin]

I'm on d2pk, pm me a time if you want and what kind of chars you want to duel.

[Moritz]

Nice video, the duel against the wwsin was close.

The video is cool but the wwsin was actually rather bad. The only thing why that wwsin lived so long was because he/she had a fire immune shadowmaster.

The whirls and playstyle in general was really not good at all.



Your locks are pretty cool @ stus =)

[yelopen]

Yeah, the wwsin wasn't good, but the namelocking and tele fb was awesome.

[ThatWasShockin]

I didn't say she was any good haha, just that the duel itself was fun to watch.

[yelopen]

That video makes me wanna try my friends fire sorc and go out and do some tele fbing :D

[Wuben]

Why does almost no one use the /nopickup command? I find it very useful for PvP.

[ThatWasShockin]

Why does almost no one use the /nopickup command? I find it very useful for PvP.

I always use it, it just doesn't show me typing it in the videos.

[MysticDragon]

Why does almost no one use the /nopickup command? I find it very useful for PvP.

I use it all the time. I go nuts if I play D2 without it.

[yelopen]

I use it all the time. I go nuts if I play D2 without it.

Is that the wacko command you told me to use? Yeah I die sometimes when I accidentally namelock an ear on the ground >.>

Dang all these nice BvC videos make me regret breaking mine -.-

[Turtleism]

Ok so i made a little LLD Vid last night, just wanna see what u guys think.
Its between two lvl 12 pally's, charger/zealers, its in classic so dont expect anything but very blunt attacks. Plus a nice laugh haha.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZQ79ZXUE3w

Enjoy :)

[pure]

noy os bad it was ok :)

[yelopen]

Just a quick group of duels I recorded:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=786942015306809301&hl=en

[ThatWasShockin]

You seem to tank a ton, or do you have tgods/srob on in those? It's cool to see some ghost duels instead of ww/trap, alot different play style. I've noticed not many people use cloak of shadows, why? It's makes hitting high defense characters alot easier.

[yelopen]

You seem to tank a ton, or do you have tgods/srob on in those? It's cool to see some ghost duels instead of ww/trap, alot different play style. I've noticed not many people use cloak of shadows, why? It's makes hitting high defense characters alot easier.

The only sorb I have in those duels is from Ravenfrosts >.>
I tank him a lot because his traps are much weaker compared to a WW/Trapper. His only do 5k as opposed to Ollie or someone, doing 7.6k. I wear a Jade Talon to hit max resist since I kind of screwed up the build this time around. The hits from the light sorc were blocked or got a bad roll I think.

I use Cloak now, that duel with the Hammer was from farther back, and I didn't know to use it then :P

And I think the difference in dueling style might just be me being bad :P

But since these duels I've gotten a lot of gear improvements, and some skill improvements.

[ThatWasShockin]

The only sorb I have in those duels is from Ravenfrosts >.>
I tank him a lot because his traps are much weaker compared to a WW/Trapper. His only do 5k as opposed to Ollie or someone, doing 7.6k. I wear a Jade Talon to hit max resist since I kind of screwed up the build this time around. The hits from the light sorc were blocked or got a bad roll I think.

I use Cloak now, that duel with the Hammer was from farther back, and I didn't know to use it then :P

Mine are only about 5k too on my ww/trap, I'd like to duel you sometime.

[yelopen]

Mine are only about 5k too on my ww/trap, I'd like to duel you sometime.

Sure I'd duel. My access to D2 is restricted by my parents at the moment however :rolleyes: I'll look you up sometime though. My account is *Yelos_Back

I'm in the process of remaking my character, although I was planning to remake it into a WW/Trap, I think I may just make it into a new Ghost.

[ThatWasShockin]

Sure I'd duel. My access to D2 is restricted by my parents at the moment however :rolleyes: I'll look you up sometime though. My account is *Yelos_Back

I'm in the process of remaking my character, although I was planning to remake it into a WW/Trap, I think I may just make it into a new Ghost.

Ok, I'll add you and whisper you if I see you on.

[MysticDragon]

Kevin, when you teleported away from that Hammerdin you were really vulnerable. You placed 2 traps without moving a bit first. This makes it easy for a Hammerdin to throw lock telehammer you.

[yelopen]

It's ok Rodney, we all know you pwn me :P

[MysticDragon]

It's ok Rodney, we all know you pwn me :P

Just trying to help out. :P

[mephiztophelez]

Just a quick group of duels I recorded:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=786942015306809301&hl=en

nice! i love the sorc with the t-gods, brought back happy memories.

one thing i noticed, you dont seem to keep your master up. that shadow is such a huge aid.

[wizAdept]

Just a quick group of duels I recorded:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=786942015306809301&hl=en

Sorry yelopen but imo that video shows an example of how *not* to play a wwsin. =\
Try keeping your whirls shorter, practice your dod, and namelocks were kinda slow. You almost died to a bowsin with a wwsin, thats not good. Practice namelocking faster when you tele on someone's screen.

All the opponents seemed kinda weak, the sorcs especially. =/

[Summerfun]

A question about cloak of shadows, issent it kind of worthless?
i read somewhere that the -def goes from the opponents enhanced def%
and not from the total def.

A Barb might have 600% ED from Shout and Iron Skinn.
Removing about 75% of that with CoS dossent seem to do much.
I know that every thing helps, but am i missing some thing? :undecided:

[wizAdept]

A question about cloak of shadows, issent it kind of worthless?
i read somewhere that the -def goes from the opponents enhanced def%
and not from the total def.

A Barb might have 600% ED from Shout and Iron Skinn.
Removing about 75% of that with CoS dossent seem to do much.
I know that every thing helps, but am i missing some thing? :undecided:Thats correct it doesn't help that much vs high ed% characters, every little bit does help though. CoS imo is mainly vs casters, sure you should already have ~80-85% chance to hit low defense casters, but 90-95% is better for that consistancy of hits, especially vs characters with 75% block, where you want every unblocked attack to have a successful ar roll. Good vs zons/druids/necros/sorcs, and in ava if you put up cloak and your opponent doesnt counter with his cloak, you can land a lot more hits on a ww pass than he will.

Not an overpowered skill for sure, but far from worthless.

[yelopen]

Sorry yelopen but imo that video shows an example of how *not* to play a wwsin. =\
Try keeping your whirls shorter, practice your dod, and namelocks were kinda slow. You almost died to a bowsin with a wwsin, thats not good. Practice namelocking faster when you tele on someone's screen.

All the opponents seemed kinda weak, the sorcs especially. =/

I realize my skills are pretty bad >.>

I don't know, Nef knockback, mind blast, and Traps seems like a hard combo to get out of with 48 FHR. When I was getting frustrated by it, all I really thought of doing was whirling away out of it >.<

DoD is something that will probably not come to me in a while. I can kind of do it by myself, but when I put it into a real situation I kind of just get screwy and all the stuff I practice with friends goes a little ballistic >.<