best pvp hammer setup?

[Gears]

Whats the best gear to use on a pvp din?

[nex]

Korean's 1v7 PvP Hammerdin v3 (http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=537153)

[Gears]

Just what i was looking for,thanks :)

[Gears]

Would this work?

ber'd shako
nigma
35%fcr spirit
7/15'd wizzy
dungos
treks
bloodfists
raven
bk
maras

With this setup I hit the 75%fcr bp,get the 86%fhr bp,have 40+dr,and cbf.

[mephiztophelez]

no. 125% fcr is mandatory for pvp noob'din.

[Gears]

no. 125% fcr is mandatory for pvp noob'din.

fcr is extremely overated

[DayDream]

fcr is extremely overated

May be overated for pvm but not pvp.

[mephiztophelez]

fcr is extremely overated

by all means, have a crack with the setup you proposed and get back to us with how it goes.

if your just going to be a mass spammer-din, you could probably get away with it vs pubs, but a gfg opponent (windy, nec, bvc, ghost etc) will probably nail your arse to a wall.

the setup listed by denniskoreanguy is the best setup without needing wild esoteric kit like 2/20fcr ammys or 2/20fcr/2os hats.

wizknife, arach, trangs, 35 spirit: theres your 125% fcr right there and lots of gearslots still open to chase other useful mods (helm, ammy, rings, boots)

fyi: a pvp hammerdin really doesn't need much more than 10-11k damage.

[yetidiah]

a hdin can get by with 9k if you replace the GC's with 5/20's, but as they said you have to have absolutely positively with out a shadow of a doubt 125%fcr

[Mythatic]

75% fcr is overrated

[Gears]

:thumbsup: by all means, have a crack with the setup you proposed and get back to us with how it goes.

if your just going to be a mass spammer-din, you could probably get away with it vs pubs, but a gfg opponent (windy, nec, bvc, ghost etc) will probably nail your arse to a wall.

the setup listed by denniskoreanguy is the best setup without needing wild esoteric kit like 2/20fcr ammys or 2/20fcr/2os hats.

wizknife, arach, trangs, 35 spirit: theres your 125% fcr right there and lots of gearslots still open to chase other useful mods (helm, ammy, rings, boots)

fyi: a pvp hammerdin really doesn't need much more than 10-11k damage.

Im making 2 hdins using both setups,gonna see which I like best.

[SicHalo]

i beileve for a pvp hammerdin 75% fcr is not optimal at all. i mean its usable but in some ways limited only hybrid hammerdins should think about runnibg 75% fcr and even then with the right gearing a hybrid an run 125% fcr without too much hastle.

youcan hit 125% fcr 86% fhr and 45% + pdr with a common setup i beileve which is covered in Korean's guide

[Xombie]

75 with grief phase/zerk please

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[Uncle_Mike]

75 with grief phase/zerk please

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As main setup vs all?

[Xombie]

As main setup vs all?

If you use a Grief you pretty much have to use a 75 build and its a solid setup.

Dunno why everyone in this thread seems to be pushing for 125% at all times. At least, it sounds like it.

75% can do just as well

[yetidiah]

use a fortitude weapon instead of grief

[nex]

use a fortitude weapon instead of grief

And lose great chunk of Charge dmg and strong Smite...

[yetidiah]

would still have a semi decent charge just your smite would suck, and I haven't seen many hdins use smite

[Xombie]

would still have a semi decent charge just your smite would suck, and I haven't seen many hdins use smite

useful vs wind dru

[MysticDragon]

useful vs wind dru

But still hard vs FUNK Windy. :\

[Mythatic]

Hammerdins should always hit 125, unless wielding a Grief/Doom or w/e Charge weapon. It's not good to use 75 when your holding a hoto....its just not gonna work out well...

[jaxz]

75fcr is not recommended unless your holding grief pb, or some eternity weapon.

Likewise, hoto should be your main weapon, and Wiz for res stack.

By the way, fort is not a good libby weapon at all. Its damage suk. Smite is also quite important for hdin. Sometimes, zons goes down fast just because you have more skills to reply on, and you can concentrate on other enemies. If you can only just charge and hammer, I believe some good bowazons knows how to deal with a charging hammerdin. Charge alone is not enough. In close range, you can't charge at all, but just execute a normal attack, and it is going to be detrimental as it is not only slow down your hdin a lot, it also don't even deal any painful damage.

[akumaxxyz]

75fcr is not recommended unless your holding grief pb, or some eternity weapon.

Likewise, hoto should be your main weapon, and Wiz for res stack.

By the way, fort is not a good libby weapon at all. Its damage suk. Smite is also quite important for hdin. Sometimes, zons goes down fast just because you have more skills to reply on, and you can concentrate on other enemies. If you can only just charge and hammer, I believe some good bowazons knows how to deal with a charging hammerdin. Charge alone is not enough. In close range, you can't charge at all, but just execute a normal attack, and it is going to be detrimental as it is not only slow down your hdin a lot, it also don't even deal any painful damage.

fort weapon is efficient vs the people you can charge with, and if it misses you switch to hammers how hard? thats what makes the build dangerous

[jaxz]

Sorry, not trying to refute you. I may not have tried fort phase baldes out, but figure it won't be necessary to test it out first b4 talking, because of how low damage grief already deliver, so let alone a non etheral 300% ed only fort.

That time after countless experience fighting with good desynch zons, with my max light resist hdin, versus those zons who "run backwards and throw furies back at you" types, charging her with grief with conc/fana alone isn't not going to be enough, and you usually combined it with vigor aura to gain pace agaisnt her frw. Even charging with conc aura, it takes more than just one charge before she escapes far away.

So I assume having fort isn't goign to be enough damage since grief's damage is already not high.

Ok, maybe there is somethnig I may not know about how you use fort, or maybe you are a libby who max out charge instead of resist light, then the two build are totally different here. The gameplay and strategies is totally not same.

[anotherHDINplayer]

You need grief for the smite damage.

Trying to charge a walking 65%+ a/d/e, all dex, ss wielding walk zon with fort is just..... o.O

[akumaxxyz]

Sorry, not trying to refute you. I may not have tried fort phase baldes out, but figure it won't be necessary to test it out first b4 talking, because of how low damage grief already deliver, so let alone a non etheral 300% ed only fort.

That time after countless experience fighting with good desynch zons, with my max light resist hdin, versus those zons who "run backwards and throw furies back at you" types, charging her with grief with conc/fana alone isn't not going to be enough, and you usually combined it with vigor aura to gain pace agaisnt her frw. Even charging with conc aura, it takes more than just one charge before she escapes far away.

So I assume having fort isn't goign to be enough damage since grief's damage is already not high.

Ok, maybe there is somethnig I may not know about how you use fort, or maybe you are a libby who max out charge instead of resist light, then the two build are totally different here. The gameplay and strategies is totally not same.

a liberator is suppose to be consist of a damaging charge/hammer attack, if you dont max charge you are not a 100% liberator. a fort zerk is usually enough if charge doesnt work you switch to hammers thats how you play lib, and grief aready does insane damge even with worst stats so i dont know why you say it doesnt do enough

[jaxz]

Maybe my way defining high damage is your sastifactory damage. Different people have different expections, so it is pretty understandable, you don't have to sound confuse.

Btw, if your defination of a 100% liberator is one who max out charge, then probably I don't play the same realm as you do, as our liberators in my realm aren't built that way. Anyway, if you insist, then call mine a grieferdin then.

[Xombie]

Maybe my way defining high damage is your sastifactory damage. Different people have different expections, so it is pretty understandable, you don't have to sound confuse.

Btw, if your defination of a 100% liberator is one who max out charge, then probably I don't play the same realm as you do, as our liberators in my realm aren't built that way. Anyway, if you insist, then call mine a grieferdin then.

yeah we like to call our libs a hdin with a grief on west

or a griefdin

etc

also, lol @ fort for charging

[akumaxxyz]

whats wrong with fort? a hdin with grief cant really be call a liberator you lack the ar as a pure one and the damage. grief with fort gives you a massive damaging charge with 20% ds

[Xombie]

whats wrong with fort? a hdin with grief cant really be call a liberator you lack the ar as a pure one and the damage. grief with fort gives you a massive damaging charge with 20% ds

the lib is just a name us westies have become accustomed with

its really a griefdin, g***din, BMdin, hdin with grief, etc

its mostly for vita casters, smite, etc

fort is bad on a hdin, weapon or armor

[akumaxxyz]

then you really never have played a 100% liberator.
with grief+fort armor you can 2-3hit bvcs ez if you got charge chain

[yetidiah]

how can you charge chain a barbarian?

[Xombie]

then you really never have played a 100% liberator.
with grief+fort armor you can 2-3hit bvcs ez if you got charge chain

um

thats great

but what does this have to do with the actual topic?

LOL i love how you like to argue over the stupidest stuff

OMG, ITS NOT A LIBERATOR CUZ NOT MAX CHARGE

"yeah, it's jsut a name we're used to"

WELL, YOU HAVENT DUELED A REAL LIB YET!!!!!!!!

:rolleyes:

grief + fort armor? for a "liberator" right?

pretty sure this is a hdin thread so fort armor should be out of the question

glad you think grief weapon #1, though

[jaxz]

Akumaxxyz, The libby you speak about, is long obsolete and thrashed in us west. Not trying to sound harsh, but trust me, Max charge do not work especially against c/c godly trappers. And to chain charge a bvc? I duel against fort + grief hdins b4 and I and not as alert as dueling against a hdin with grief and enigma.

You need to duel my bvc, too bad, guess we were from different realms. Anyway, please continue to think what you think is correct. Maybe the duelers differs between realms, so individual setups won't be the same. Who knows, once I step into your realm, it is easy to chain charge a bvc with fort, which is impossible to do so with grief on west.

[Xombie]

Akumaxxyz, The libby you speak about, is long obsolete and thrashed in us west. Not trying to sound harsh, but trust me, Max charge do not work especially against c/c godly trappers. And to chain charge a bvc? I duel against fort + grief hdins b4 and I and not as alert as dueling against a hdin with grief and enigma.

You need to duel my bvc, too bad, guess we were from different realms. Anyway, please continue to think what you think is correct. Maybe the duelers differs between realms, so individual setups won't be the same. Who knows, once I step into your realm, it is easy to chain charge a bvc with fort, which is impossible to do so with grief on west.

he's from west

he plays hdins and doesn't believe in gm/bm

or something

i dont really read his posts

[akumaxxyz]

sometimes charge hit multiple times until you die and sometimes it hits for no dmg for some reason, seriously tell me what can a bvc do vs a pala who have high ar/dmg charge/ 10k+ hammers, cant do crap but ww away random all the time.


he's from west

he plays hdins and doesn't believe in gm/bm

or something

i dont really read his posts
dont read then no one forcing you to random taiwan

[xxxkillerxxx]

yeah we like to call our libs a hdin with a grief on west

or a griefdin

etc

also, lol @ fort for charging

Libbys have always been charge/hammer hybrids and fort is a great armor, gives charge damage and fcr (have fun reaching 75fcr with enigma/grief while maintaining ar+dr lol), res, high defense and even life. All hammerdins that aren't mentally disabled keep grief in stash, that doesn't make them libbys.


how can you charge chain a barbarian?

You charge them when they aren't whirling, assuming you got decent ar you'll hit them 2-3 times more often than not. Of course you won't be able to do it if you suck at desynch.

[Xombie]

Libbys have always been charge/hammer hybrids

man how many times do i have to explain it?

yes, we understand what a lib is

i don't know who was the first to label a hdin with a grief as a lib but it stuck

seriously this is the last time im gonna say it: hdin with a grief is commonly known AS a lib/griefdin

after reading that again, i dont know who you were responding to so w/e, hi

and fort is a great armor, gives charge damage and fcr (have fun reaching 75fcr with enigma/grief while maintaining ar+dr lol), res, high defense and even life. All hammerdins that aren't mentally disabled keep grief in stash, that doesn't make them libbys.

just sticking with charge desy is dumb

the combination of charge and tele and desy is what makes a hdin a true monster

fort is okay in the sense that you could always slap it on to kill things you normally just charge, but it would not be used as the main armor, imo

i dont know any of the top hdins on west gimping themselves to fort 24/7

its not hard to maintain good dr/life/fcr/etc with a grief and enigma

BerBer CoA
Crafted 2Pal/10+FCR/Stats/Life/Res Ammy
Grief PB
Enigma
35% Spirit Sacred Targe
TGods/Verdungoes
Raven Frost
10FCR/Str/Life/Mana/Res Ring
FRW/FHR/Str/Res Boots

This yields:
75FCR
39-50DR
86%FHR BP
Stacked Res
Decent Charge/Smite Damage
9K+ Hammer
4.4K+ Life
CBF

generic setup everyone uses

ar is pretty bad though ~5-6k

dont read then no one forcing you to random taiwan

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[jaxz]

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Can I join just to watch how he duels? But my timezone is GMT +8. It is 16 hours faster than Americans.

[Xombie]

Can I join just to watch how he duels? But my timezone is GMT +8. It is 16 hours faster than Americans.

despite all the crap he posted in this topic,

i surmise he uses an enigma and a grief

probably doesnt even have a fort weapon/fort armor on his pally

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[Uncle_Mike]

Please, can't we all just get along? :wink3:

[MysticDragon]

I'm assuming it's going to be Hdin vs Nec. Can we make bets?

[yetidiah]

You charge them when they aren't whirling, assuming you got decent ar you'll hit them 2-3 times more often than not. Of course you won't be able to do it if you suck at desynch.

just so you know even with good ar and desynch, most barbs can just whirl away as soon as they here the hit sound. the only effective way to charge wwbarbs is to have a huge damage 2 hander on switch, then just charge from behind as they whirl.

[MysticDragon]

Depends how good the Barb is. Charging a Barb is usually suicide.

[yetidiah]

most of the time it is, but most barbs I smite, then when they whirl away I switch to my warpike and charge from behind. just make sure you switch back to w/s before he stops his whirl (non-hdin character btw)

[akumaxxyz]

lmao if you guys got any bvc on west nl duel me leave accounts, and please criticize about stuff you never done befor.

its not hard to charge a barb assuming he is not wwing away all the time like a scrub, constantly making hammers and with a high ar/dmg charge a barb cant do nothing like pulling arrows out but always playing defensive, like i said once hes not wwing and you get a charge in sometimes it chains which can lead to death
[/quote]
the only effective way to charge wwbarbs is to have a huge damage 2 hander on switch, then just charge from behind as they whirl.

this is just retarded, you even said it your self they ww away how do you charge from behind? you'll just take his trail of ww he leaves behind and you got no block means easy death

[yetidiah]

umm range five is greater than range 3, your charge stops as soon as you are in range so as long as he doesn't whirl at you you will be fine

[saellison]

wouldn't the barbarian realize that you are just trying to charge lock him and just keep WWing away?
Generally you would want to avoid charging barbarian, but I guess if you can time it perfectly it could work. Why switch to fort armor in the first place though?
With enigma, grief, and exile a barb shouldn't pose too much of a threat between your hammers huge defense and smite. And you can still teleport. The fort armor seems way unecessary. Enigma should always be your main armor since with fort a necro pretty much has a gauranteed win. Having the fort armor in your stash seems like a waste of space as it's not even necessary.

[yetidiah]

my whole point is that I charge with a high damage high range weapon so when they whirl away its to my benefit.

and fort weap/armor combo would be a bad pub choice because of bone prison

[Mythatic]

Grief/Enigma is enough for liberators, you don't want to piss out teleport for that matter.

[jaxz]

lmao if you guys got any bvc on west nl duel me leave accounts, and please criticize about stuff you never done befor.

its not hard to charge a barb assuming he is not wwing away all the time like a scrub, constantly making hammers and with a high ar/dmg charge a barb cant do nothing like pulling arrows out but always playing defensive, like i said once hes not wwing and you get a charge in sometimes it chains which can lead to deathSure Aku, you may leave yours. I am pretty sure of what I have said but if you want some actual duel, then fine with me. I may not be able to provide you with the best results as I am having a fluctuating ping of 230 to 700+. But I am sure some caucasian bvc with 20 ping will take on your comments gradually.

My account is /w *sG-Hao

What's yours?

The setup of your liberator is by using Fort weapon and Fort armour right? Let's have a friendly match with my bvc pub style during week ends when I am free from school work. By the way, my time zone is GMT +8, I am approximately 16 hours ahead of Pacific time. Thanks and sorry for any trouble caused.

[akumaxxyz]

Sure Aku, you may leave yours. I am pretty sure of what I have said but if you want some actual duel, then fine with me. I may not be able to provide you with the best results as I am having a fluctuating ping of 230 to 700+. But I am sure some caucasian bvc with 20 ping will take on your comments gradually.

My account is /w *sG-Hao

What's yours?

The setup of your liberator is by using Fort weapon and Fort armour right? Let's have a friendly match with my bvc pub style during week ends when I am free from school work. By the way, my time zone is GMT +8, I am approximately 16 hours ahead of Pacific time. Thanks and sorry for any trouble caused.

grief wpn + fort since people think enigma is a must for lib. if you still want to duel with that kind of ping i dont care just dont blame it on ping when you cant get a kill i will pm you acc if you sure with that

[TienJe]

if you guys are trying to convince him that you need teleport, why would you agree to a bvc vs hdin duel? thats probably the duel that will least support your argument.

[jaxz]

Hi Tien, your from cc right? Anyway, thanks for making that Hammer Spreadsheet. It helps a lot when I made my Liberator, aka Griefdin. Alright anyway, I am more concern about how Aku's charge damage can take me down my barb. I am not sure about what are you thinking from other people's point of view, but I am more concern about his argument and mine as you can see from page 4, about how a liberator could charge lock/killl a bvc with fort on weapon and armour. If possible, Aku can also have a 2v2 with sG-YonG, or sG-Ed, who has a trapper and a druid, with his non max resist light fort Libby. I am pretty sure this libby build cannot take against lots of pub duelers.

To Aku, I am not worried about my reputation. Even more, I am not going to get more people to understand my precadiment of playing from Singapore, as I already have my fair share of Caucasian friends, who as close to me on this game, like Chris Zoso, TC Garrett, and even OwN-Jim, especially Jim who gave sG Clan lots of freebies (to us, Jim is not a scammer, but some Robin Hood who allied with us), and even fellow Americans form our Pacific Division. I don't need you to understand or sympatise with me about my own ping if you don't want to. Diablo to me is nothing. Why I said this? If you are an active member of cc, and saw the ups and downs of us, you will understand why I said that. Imagine a real life friend of nearly 2 years, did jack almost everyone in clan. You have no evidence against him but can only highly suspect him. What will you do? Does knowing where he stays even helps?

But Please Don't ever say no one gave you a corrrect proper duel and start blaming me for not being an American with low ping, if in the future, someone playing bvc from America proves me right.

If you don't wish to humilate me, then it's okay, don't have to leave you acct now. But if anyday you would like to have some fun duel, do go to Clan sG at cc-comp, or hop over to our clan channel to leave a message. Thanks. Cya Soon.

[TienJe]

Hi Tien, your from cc right? Anyway, thanks for making that Hammer Spreadsheet. It helps a lot when I made my Liberator, aka Griefdin. Alright anyway, I am more concern about how Aku's charge damage can take me down my barb. I am not sure about what are you thinking from other people's point of view, but I am more concern about his argument and mine as you can see from page 4, about how a liberator could charge lock/killl a bvc with fort on weapon and armour. If possible, Aku can also have a 2v2 with sG-YonG, or sG-Ed, who has a trapper and a druid, with his non max resist light fort Libby. I am pretty sure this libby build cannot take against lots of pub duelers.
yea thats me.

i agree with you guys about fort not being a good armor, but the problem with trying to settle it with a duel, as akuma always tries to do, is that it won't get you anywhere. just because he doesn't get a hit on you doesn't mean it will never work, and just because he does manage to get a hit doesn't mean it works in all cases. to me, the argument can be made very simply, with just a comparison of the actual damage increase from fort.

fort has 300% ED.

enigma has a ton of %ED, though it comes in different forms. +2 skills adds 50% worth of ED to charge and 30% ED to concentration. the +70 STR from enig gives you 70% more ED from the stat bonus, which totals 150% ED from enigma.

now, that means that fort has 150% more ED than enigma. however, considering that with conc + charge can easily rack up 1500% ED (or more), there is no way anyone who has thought about it would agree to give up teleport for ~9% more total charge damage.

there isn't even a need to duel in my opinion. fort should never be an option for any lib.

[yetidiah]

easy way to prove you need teleport, duel a bone necro

[akumaxxyz]

i was saying grief wpn + fort can take out bvcs easily if you get a charge chain going,

easy way to prove you need teleport, duel a bone necro
prisons are easily broken with 1-2 hammers, lld necros vs lld hdins is perfect example of this

[TienJe]

i was saying grief wpn + fort can take out bvcs easily if you get a charge chain going,


prisons are easily broken with 1-2 hammers, lld necros vs lld hdins is perfect example of this
EDIT: nm, i'll let someone else take this one.

[Sass]

*takes*

When the nec realizes that the hdin doesn't have an enigma, won't he prison you and tele close enought o deliver quick BS/Bsp while you try the 1-2 hammers? He can still get away when the prison is broken and can spam you while you sit there casting your hammers.

[MysticDragon]

Hdin without Enigma. :shocked:

...against a Nec?

Even more :shocked: :O

[yetidiah]

i was saying grief wpn + fort can take out bvcs easily if you get a charge chain going,


prisons are easily broken with 1-2 hammers, lld necros vs lld hdins is perfect example of this

yes and in that time you just got hit with a bone spear and reprisoned, now break it again get hit again and get reprisoned. see a pattern

[SicHalo]

i can see the logic behind a forti + and grief setup as forti has the benifits of 25% fcr as well as the dmg and some nice res + life mods combined with griefs huge dmg and ds. But even so its shown that grief+ forti and vs enigma+grief has very little overal dmg difference and not forgetting the obvious teleporting dr% and higher hp you get using enigma setup.

however even so tele is still nice and vs a good bone nec in practice i fail to see how a hammerdin has a chance like this with bone prision etc

[jaxz]

i was saying grief wpn + fort can take out bvcs easily if you get a charge chain going,


prisons are easily broken with 1-2 hammers, lld necros vs lld hdins is perfect example of this
So are you using Fort weapon on your enigma libby? Probably let me try you out. I hope to see that you will be able to land a chain charge on my bvc. Hope you don't lose.

[akumaxxyz]

So are you using Fort weapon on your enigma libby? Probably let me try you out. I hope to see that you will be able to land a chain charge on my bvc. Hope you don't lose.

fail to understand? i clearly said grief+ fort, since there is no grief armor
its obvious armor is fort, using enigma would all be pointless since this thread is about fort lib not enigma lib. btw i never said you can chain charge a bvc on the spot i said you could kill them if you get a charge chain going dont misunderstood what i said. since you sound so confident i will duel you get acc by pm msg me when ever you online or let me know what time your free



yes and in that time you just got hit with a bone spear and reprisoned, now break it again get hit again and get reprisoned. see a pattern

lol i dont need to respond to your imaginary situation duel.

[Uncle_Mike]

its obvious armor is fort, using enigma would all be pointless since this thread is about fort lib not enigma lib.

It's about PvP hammerdin setup actually :rolleyes:

Try to cut down on OT please guys, duels are welcome of course but it's not a libby thread.

[TienJe]

fail to understand? i clearly said grief+ fort, since there is no grief armor
fort weapon is efficient vs the people you can charge with, and if it misses you switch to hammers how hard? thats what makes the build dangerous
aiyeee.
its obvious armor is fort, using enigma would all be pointless since this thread is about fort lib not enigma lib.
you were the first one to suggest fort btw. the thread started off with an enigma pvp hdin build.
btw i never said you can chain charge a bvc on the spot i said you could kill them if you get a charge chain going dont misunderstood what i said.
"i'm not saying it works all the time. i'm saying that when it works, it works." did i understand correctly?

lol i dont need to respond to your imaginary situation duel.
seeing as how i don't own a barb, i can't defend that point, but i'd be more than happy to show you what they're talking about regarding prison. i'll be heading to new york for thanksgiving, but will be back within a few days. i'm sure any of the other nec players here would be happy to do the same while i'm gone.

[yetidiah]

lol i dont need to respond to your imaginary situation duel.

on the contrary by posting this you did and its really not imaginary its hypothetical, if you duel a necro that uses the same fcr breakpoint you do, you cast at the same time so when you break the prison he hits you with another one, it happens every character that cant teleport. and in case you didn't know he could just spam bone prison around you until you were entirely boxed in then shoot you with spirits while you tried to fight your way out.

[Xombie]

lol i dont need to respond to your imaginary situation duel.

what are you gonna do if i just sit there and spam prison till the game drops LOL

or if i spam prison and a bone spirit every 10 seconds LOL?

lol sorry but i dont need to respond to your pathetic attempt to troll a diablo 2 forum with your imaginary skills

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