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BadCompany
13-11-2007, 20:30
I'm looking for opinions on which PvP build requires the most strategy, mainly to spice it up. I was thinking mainly a ghost? The utilization of stunlock, teleport, and ww but are there any other builds that require a large use of strategy to be affective?
inanefedaykin
13-11-2007, 21:09
Shifters, you gotta chase down people with teleport on foot while dodging what they throw at you.
Hellfire Boss
13-11-2007, 21:21
Shifters, you gotta chase down people with teleport on foot while dodging what they throw at you.
lool
i hate shaper lovers ...
Uncle_Mike
13-11-2007, 21:25
lool
i hate shaper lovers ...
Any chance you contribute to threads instead of inciting flames and adding nothing? :evil:
post on topic please
Kicksins.
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BadCompany
13-11-2007, 22:01
Shifters, you gotta chase down people with teleport on foot while dodging what they throw at you.
Running in circles avoiding 1 hit fireballs isn't what I would call strategy. Mainly looking for a more intensive build that requires quick thinking.
Kicksins.
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Never really played one, but from my pvm kicksin its more of a flight in, dragon talon and abuse a lack of fhr. What else is there to them?
Never really played one, but from my pvm kicksin its more of a flight in, dragon talon and abuse a lack of fhr. What else is there to them?
they play just like ghosts except you don't need to practice your whirls.
MysticDragon
13-11-2007, 22:33
Trap vs Nec. :O
akumaxxyz
13-11-2007, 22:35
hdin vs hdin or bone nec vs bonenec
Hellfire Boss
13-11-2007, 22:40
foh vs foh
bone nec vs bonenec
really
what kind of strategies do you use in nvn lol
its more of who can nl/cl faster/better than anything else @@
really
what kind of strategies do you use in nvn lol
its more of who can nl/cl faster/better than anything else @@
guerilla/shrine stylez!
guerilla/shrine stylez!
but that could be a strategy for any kind of duel
thats like the ultimate style holy crap @@
akumaxxyz
14-11-2007, 00:19
really
what kind of strategies do you use in nvn lol
its more of who can nl/cl faster/better than anything else @@
yeah nl/cl is going to work against a nec that is spamming spirits around and bone you the second you tele on top
yeah nl/cl is going to work against a nec that is spamming spirits around and bone you the second you tele on top
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i was talking about nvn spear/teeth style
but if spirits are involved, oak+golem helps
just gotta know when to jump or run when you see the spirits @@
idk if thats what the tc is looking for though lol
yeah nl/cl is going to work against a nec that is spamming spirits around and bone you the second you tele on top
nl/cl is like 90% of nvn. summon stack is what makes it work. even with spirits, the best counter to a spammer is to nl/cl spear with golem casted.
akumaxxyz
14-11-2007, 02:33
duel with out summons and you will see the most stragetic duel, if summons were allow, its all about quick reflexes.
...why would you ever duel without summons :cry:
MysticDragon
14-11-2007, 02:58
NvN is much more fun with Gumby. :)
NvN is much more fun with Gumby. :)
i think mine has elephantitis
duel with out summons and you will see the most stragetic duel, if summons were allow, its all about quick reflexes.
svs with 200 hp, 500 mana, -100 res and 18k fb is pretty damn strategic too
MysticDragon
14-11-2007, 03:17
svs with 200 hp, 500 mana, -100 res and 18k fb is pretty damn strategic too
I think we had this conversation before. I still think NvN is best mirror matchup.
I think we had this conversation before. I still think NvN is best mirror matchup.
my post just went over your head
MysticDragon
14-11-2007, 03:36
my post just went over your head
What about our conversation? :(
What about our conversation? :(
i vouch but the one you quoted was a sarcastic reply to akuma's awesomeeeeeeeeeee post
inanefedaykin
14-11-2007, 05:23
Trap vs Trap gets really interesting. Bit of a pain if you lose track of who planted each trap though.
akumaxxyz
14-11-2007, 07:44
svs with 200 hp, 500 mana, -100 res and 18k fb is pretty damn strategic too
sor vs sor is dumb luck or good aim. nvn with out no enigma is strategic. requires pretty much all bone skills and the use of ibs
MysticDragon
14-11-2007, 07:47
Remember .09 NvN? :O
NvN without Enigma today is pretty bad. Extremely defensive play results in a win. :\ I like to stay away from that and go Tele/Spear/Teeth NvN.
Mythatic
14-11-2007, 08:00
Ghosts, Ww/Trapsins, Fire druids.
I said fire druids, because you want opponents to chase after you, and make them lure into your fissure or volcano or some sort, takes planning and predictions on what the opponent makes. I'd say its pretty fun, even though not as versatille wind druids, since wind druid's physical damage cannot be absorbed.
yetidiah
14-11-2007, 08:06
smiters obviously, it requires strategy to use lifetap and unblockable attacks
MysticDragon
14-11-2007, 08:18
smiters obviously, it requires strategy to use lifetap and unblockable attacks
Ever chainlock smite before? How about flash freeze Smite vs WW mindgames? Charge into a Smite without charge lock 100% of the time?
akumaxxyz
14-11-2007, 09:04
Remember .09 NvN? :O
NvN without Enigma today is pretty bad. Extremely defensive play results in a win. :\ I like to stay away from that and go Tele/Spear/Teeth NvN.
knowing when to play offensive/defensive is part of strategy isnt it. tele spear is more about whose got better aim
Remember .09 NvN? :O
NvN without Enigma today is pretty bad. Extremely defensive play results in a win. :\ I like to stay away from that and go Tele/Spear/Teeth NvN.
yo 09 nvn was all about loading up on frw and ibsing ^^
there were necs that were pretty gg at rushing with spirits/PN flying everywhere
wasn't all defensive :prop:
BadCompany
14-11-2007, 15:37
I wasn't asking which matchup was the most intense or strategic, but rather which build would most likely require a large amount of strategy to be effective if I was to join a pub or something.
tele spear is more about whose got better aim
Old_Hand stylez lololol. you'll be hard pressed to find a necro that duels that way these days.
p.s. close ranged zvz is the most strategic duel. ROCK PAPER SCISSORS AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT.
MysticDragon
14-11-2007, 22:27
yo 09 nvn was all about loading up on frw and ibsing ^^
there were necs that were pretty gg at rushing with spirits/PN flying everywhere
wasn't all defensive :prop:
Then why were you off the screen 95% of the duel? :O
Old_Hand stylez lololol. you'll be hard pressed to find a necro that duels that way these days.
p.s. close ranged zvz is the most strategic duel. ROCK PAPER SCISSORS AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT.
Old_Hand used Spirit vs the block nec I used. :undecided: I have met a few that don't use Spirit.
Pukankite
14-11-2007, 22:52
Zealer or Werebear Sorc against any smiter that knows how to (ab)use his build.
Good luck with that.I am still trying to beat smiters and WW/enigma barbarians without playing a BO40 game.
yetidiah
14-11-2007, 23:05
Ever chainlock smite before? How about flash freeze Smite vs WW mindgames? Charge into a Smite without charge lock 100% of the time?
I was being sarcastic towards the shift smite pub trash
@bad company, dennis's 1v7 hammerdin requires a pretty good amount of strategy if you actually end up in a 1v7 situation
lots of builds require a lot of strategy.
I prefer all kinds of assassins, but hammerdins, smiters, bvcs, mages require a lot ofcontrol over your char as well if you want to be any good.
Then why were you off the screen 95% of the duel? :O
That's just my style
I zvz like that too #juan
I was just trying to say it wasn't all defensive =[
mystified
15-11-2007, 00:15
mage, libby, ghost (in no specific order)
guides are there but not exactly a cookie cutter build (sorry, but nec doesn't need 'strategy' in gm duels imo. just need to be good)
not usre about libby but other two needs fast hand movement and lightning fast thinknig/reflex. so many god damn hot keys...
even it is a hybrid hammerdin, it required a lot more thought cuz ur hammer dmg is lower and stacked res lower in most situations so vs many build mage would be something that need quick thinking and reflex if that's what u mean by strategy.
this is just my opinion so anyone who disagrees can ......[insert words] :p
174 fire tpk sin that doesnt die in1 hit
174 fire tpk sin that doesnt die in1 hit
no "strategy" though
it's just get caught in wof + fb/teammates jump
lol
YA BUT WHEN U GET iGA'D 1NCE U DIE
NewForumBloke
16-11-2007, 23:36
Dont quite remember where the post is, but there is some NUTZ werebear assassin and the hotkeys and reflexs they use... i cant even imagine doing what they did lol.
EDIT: Found it, its a 2 fpa Bearsin w/ tele and such built into it lol. Pretty crazy...
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja6KGGq1Os0
Dont quite remember where the post is, but there is some NUTZ werebear assassin and the hotkeys and reflexs they use... i cant even imagine doing what they did lol.
EDIT: Found it, its a 2 fpa Bearsin w/ tele and such built into it lol. Pretty crazy...
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja6KGGq1Os0
it was a lot of fun making that video lolol
NewForumBloke
17-11-2007, 09:45
It looked like you guys had a blast putting it together, not to mention the time and skill you had to have put into the char to pull of the unshift-tele-lay traps-reshift-strike is just mind boggling to me lol.
If it hasnt been said before, GFG :thumbsup: lol
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