Strength for BvB

[Raubtier]

How much str i need for melee duels with WW barb? Only enough to wear my equipment, dex for block and everithing else to str (Titan buid) or any balance str and vita?

[mephiztophelez]

this is one of those never-endng questions.

some feel the "standard 1.10 stat-split" is the go (enough for gear, pump vit) others feel that once you can get 5k life, pump the rest to str for more damage (this requires a very nice charmset to pull off).

a total of 238 (including boosts from SS, gloves & arreats) is a nice number to aim for as it allows you to use a sacred fort.

[akumaxxyz]

theres 3 ways to build bvbs,
#1 enough str for all gear dex for mb,everything into vita, this build depends on huge life/defense and use ow to kill most probably the best of the 3

#2 all str/max block no vita build. this one does insane damage, you need to pack highest ar/ 30max dmg jewels and requires perefct 3/20/20 scs

#3 is max of str/vita/max block build
all round dmg/ow/life

[Mythatic]

How much str i need for melee duels with WW barb? Only enough to wear my equipment, dex for block and everithing else to str (Titan buid) or any balance str and vita?

I would say go with:

strength: enough for gear
dex: enough for block
Vita: the rest
energy: base

[Raubtier]

Ok, thx u guys. I ll go with max vita, max OW and crushing. It must be itresting.

[Mythatic]

Max vita, you don't need block and DR against Barbs?

[Raubtier]

of course enogh for max block and gear

[mephiztophelez]

Ok, thx u guys. I ll go with max vita, max OW and crushing. It must be itresting.

crushing blow isn't as useful as Deadly Strike or Open Wounds. a high-end critical hit with a CB going off at the beginning of a duel is pretty nifty, but later on it's the OW & DS that counts.

one of these day's i'll whack a guillaumes on my bvb for laughs (gotta find 20dex from somewhere tho')

[akumaxxyz]

guilaum/rare barb circ is best if you build around them.

[Raubtier]

What do u think about bvb weapon? i think beast will be very good with 25%OW, 20% crush, nice str bonus and fana, with will increase our attack rating. With beast, duress, draculs and cores we will have 93 % OW.

[mephiztophelez]

grief, grief, grief, grief, grief......

i've tested a beast, the damage just aint there. if you have gosu defence (40k+), it can work, but overall: GRIEF.

if your going for a bleeder setup, i like fury over a beast (fort+fury+dracs+gores = 101% ow), but most of the time, i find myself going back to the cookie-cutter grief/fort setup.

the general rule is: use a fort and you can use any weapon you like, use a grief, you can use any armour you like.

overall, shoot for ~25k defence and ~20k AR. i've got 21.6kAR and 23k def on my barb. i need more def. badly. theres only so-long i can dodge-whirl a 30k+ def barb and come out on top. whirling alonside some barbs is just suicide for me.

[Barloc]

meph. So then what your saying basically is to shoot for 30k+ def, which is what your having trouble with. That would also mean higher def/requirement gear + higher supporting str. Which also would equate to a higher damage output do to str. That is to say, that one would be looking at something like upped/upped eth arreat + sacred fort.

[mephiztophelez]

That is to say, that one would be looking at something like upped/upped eth arreat + sacred fort.
thats "standard, cookie-cutter bvb kit" right there. if your making a sacred fort, please, for gods sake use a superior shell.
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my barb was built around a regular 1668 def AP fort and a rather unassuming regular arreats slayer guard. i have pretty good life compared to some other bvb's (5.4k) at level 93.

where i come seriously unstuck is against lvl 96/97 z-bug fort users. on west nl (and east nl too iirc) there are these damnable 2454 defence eth, indestructable fort AP's. needless to say, i don't have one.

i can go toe-to-toe with sacred fort users and will generally hold my own. there are exceptions, eg: a lvl 98 called MaxBlock. who is one of the top 5 barbs on west and the only sacred fort user in that company. idk what he's done, but it works.

e-bug duress, stone & prudence armours would solve my def issues. my ebug duress broke, and i havn't gotten around to making a new one yet. even so, those damnable zbugs are in a class of their own.

this isn't a justification of my barb's drama's. more to let you know what to expect from bvb games and hope you'll plan accordingly. poor Orinoko is at 202 str at the moment. i'd need another 36 to put on a sacred fort. kinda hard to scrape it up.

[Mythatic]

That been said, theres also the Eth upped Toothrow armor being high strength requirement and has 40% chance to Open Wound, I'm not sure its potential highest defense once its upgraded though, I think beyond 2.4k Defense?

[mephiztophelez]

up'd e-toot is a very nice bvb armour. i've seen ones just shy of 2.5k def.

unfortunatly, my one is 1996 def =S, i do better with mah forti. OW is a slow killer and only really GFG vs barbs with ~4k'ish life. against a 5-6k life barb, chances are they'll nail you before your OW drops 'em.

but is all relative and good tactics can overcome a surprising amount. theres some barbs i just can't beat in cookie-cutter gear, but thrown on Hsaru's & a furyZ, buddabing, i stand a decent chance.

[Barloc]

I thought AP forti was more of a cookie cutter armour then any other barb armor that exists. Most traded and most used on east it seems. But like you say, there seems to be at least 1 barb in particular that'll give you a hard time (me as well) who seems to be dishing out more damage, and wearing sacred (as far as bug eth, I'm not gonna go there lol). Also... they wear Rends, which is standardly poo-poo'ed on these forums.

[akumaxxyz]

I thought AP forti was more of a cookie cutter armour then any other barb armor that exists. Most traded and most used on east it seems. But like you say, there seems to be at least 1 barb in particular that'll give you a hard time (me as well) who seems to be dishing out more damage, and wearing sacred (as far as bug eth, I'm not gonna go there lol). Also... they wear Rends, which is standardly poo-poo'ed on these forums.

rends is not a bad choice if you pack the damage to back it up. bvbs are always this, max dmg/max defense/max ar possible who ever have more will win unless your out of luck. ap barbs are nothing vs ebug sa barbs

[Barloc]

yup, agreed.