Best Build to beat a Hammerdin in PVP?

[kinsawnational]

Alrighty, trying to find out what is the best build to beat a Lamerdin. My buddy just finished his new hammer and thinks he's god or something at this point. I was thinking about going with a PnB Necro however i just wanna note that i'm not rich or anything so how expensive the build is matters a little. Not saying that I can't get some pretty good stuff just that making a pally that needs 8 pcombats is going to take a while if you know what I mean.

Thanks for any help.

[Tvk]

I think a bonemancer should work nicely. :)

[Rattari]

*warp* *warp* *warp*
*sound of one hammer -16k damage-*
"You are dead"

Are you sure that the skellies can beat enigmadin?
I must try this by myself

[akumaxxyz]

druid/bone nec

[The Cow King]

Bonemancer will ezpk hammerdins, if you want to super lame and teach him a lesson get a white wand with one point revive and he will stand no chance.

Fast bowazons are also a good bet. Wind druids can stomp hammerdins but then the pala can play defensive.

[inanefedaykin]

Bowazons and sins in GM environments.

Also, if anyone pulls out 16k hammers just laugh at them.

[akumaxxyz]

Bowazons and sins in GM environments.

Also, if anyone pulls out 16k hammers just laugh at them.

why laugh at 16k hammer? in the hands of a top hdin any build will die in 2 hits
gm is entirely dependable on each person. usually sins with weak traps will die easily

[vknez]

i have kills with my dual dream melee sorc with high energy shield. zealed him to death...

[Hyphy]

Bowazons and sins in GM environments.

Also, if anyone pulls out 16k hammers just laugh at them.

you say that but, a hdin can pull of 16k w/ 4.5k+ life still, but will just die in 2-3 17k blizz 's instead of 5

[yuqing]

you say that but, a hdin can pull of 16k w/ 4.5k+ life still, but will just die in 2-3 17k blizz 's instead of 5

I really doubt that. 16k hammers require a mass amount of GCs, even assuming they're 4x life, you lose too much resistances and life you would normally get from stacking 20/5s. I'd 2 hits at the most for a 17k blizz, most likely only 1.

[DayDream]

Druid/necro and bowazon in gm

[lendial]

how would you bm a cheeseladin?

[akumaxxyz]

blizz sors are overrated, 1 raven and some stack resist nullifys most of their damage
3thul helmets and 200+ cold resist shields come to mine, you can still pull off 15k+ hammers with such setup.

[NewForumBloke]

If your hammer was already properly geared with res charms and such you wouldnt need such a rediculous helm as a 3 thul helm... The life/dr/fhr/skill/fcr w/e that your normal helm attributes to you is lost and if your not 1v1 (which is usually in gm situations where such sorb is really looked down upon) whats going to stop the other pubs from taking advantage of your weakened state?

I agree though about bone necro's and druids, i dont see a hammer too often win against a good one.

-BLoke :smug:

[akumaxxyz]

If your hammer was already properly geared with res charms and such you wouldnt need such a rediculous helm as a 3 thul helm... The life/dr/fhr/skill/fcr w/e that your normal helm attributes to you is lost and if your not 1v1 (which is usually in gm situations where such sorb is really looked down upon) whats going to stop the other pubs from taking advantage of your weakened state?

I agree though about bone necro's and druids, i dont see a hammer too often win against a good one.

-BLoke :smug:

what im saying is in 1v1 situation. a max out dmg blizz sor dies in 2 hammers max

[vknez]

also i have kills with my fury druid with ebotd gpa

also think blizzard should make items with magic resistance or absorb...

[Pezmaster]

also i have kills with my fury druid with ebotd gpa

also think blizzard should make items with magic resistance or absorb...

safety shields can have 10% magic absorb.

not that that would actually help, since the other mods would likely be crap :rolleyes:

[Cppo-The-Wild]

i've never had problems with hammerdins with my bowzon. mostly because people who play hammerdins in public games tend to suck hard. however i've yet to see a single hdin that beats me a.k.a wins me many times in a row

-Cppo

[Pidol]

bone nec

walk south shoot spirits aim with spear = gg, if he goes melee its even easier, if he pulls out some kind of foh, its now wayy easier

[akumaxxyz]

south walk is overrated, everyting you see in guides pretty much wont work vs anyone good.

also i have kills with my fury druid with ebotd gpa killing retarded dins dont count haha

[vknez]

killing retarded dins dont count haha

why do you think that they are retarded?
if i have rabies i will kill them even easier...

[The Cow King]

killing retarded dins dont count haha

do u have something against handicapped ppl ? :sad2:

[Sechler]

Mana chuggin 90+% 3k+ ES sorcies are a pain to hdins. Especially the ones that time a self blizz perfectly.

[akumaxxyz]

why do you think that they are retarded?
if i have rabies i will kill them even easier...

no good hdins even gets hit by melee like kicks/smite/fury/rabies

do u have something against handicapped ppl no,

Mana chuggin 90+% 3k+ ES sorcies are a pain to hdins. Especially the ones that time a self blizz perfectly
since you want to play a absorb game vs a din, be prepare to do no dmg or any at all but he can use malice to bleed you 100% ow which u cant.

[Kiba]

south walk is overrated, everyting you see in guides pretty much wont work vs anyone good.

killing retarded dins dont count haha

Haha, here we go with the whole "No Good Dueler Will ever Lose to a Shifter" Topic again but in this instance it's
"No Good Dueler Will Ever Get HIT By A Shifter". <-- Woh, thats a mouthful.

Alrighty, trying to find out what is the best build to beat a Lamerdin. My buddy just finished his new hammer and thinks he's god or something at this point. I was thinking about going with a PnB Necro however i just wanna note that i'm not rich or anything so how expensive the build is matters a little. Not saying that I can't get some pretty good stuff just that making a pally that needs 8 pcombats is going to take a while if you know what I mean.

Thanks for any help.

A necromancer can do it if you are on a low budget of items. Just spam Bone Spirits/Spears, keep an eye out on where he might desync his hammers, be aware of telestomp and you should do decent...

Wind druid is best bet when geared properly for fighting hammer paladins, just always keep your five summon wolves & Oak Sage summoned to soak up hammers. Depending on how the paladin plays like if he just stays in a small radius spamming hammers and never goes on the offense you will have to jump on him spam a tornado teleport out and re-summon any lost pets. If he runs a lot spam Tornado's where you think he will desync.

[inanefedaykin]

Nados have higher range then hammers, if all he's doing is spamming just sit back and snipe at him.

[akumaxxyz]

Haha, here we go with the whole "No Good Dueler Will ever Lose to a Shifter" Topic again but in this instance it's
"No Good Dueler Will Ever Get HIT By A Shifter". <-- Woh, thats a mouthful.



A necromancer can do it if you are on a low budget of items. Just spam Bone Spirits/Spears, keep an eye out on where he might desync his hammers, be aware of telestomp and you should do decent...

Wind druid is best bet when geared properly for fighting hammer paladins, just always keep your five summon wolves & Oak Sage summoned to soak up hammers. Depending on how the paladin plays like if he just stays in a small radius spamming hammers and never goes on the offense you will have to jump on him spam a tornado teleport out and re-summon any lost pets. If he runs a lot spam Tornado's where you think he will desync.

a caster can tele all day and spam and wont ever get hit until your bored to death with your shifter or you die to random spamage

[Cppo-The-Wild]

a caster can tele all day and spam and wont ever get hit until your bored to death with your shifter or you die to random spamage

no decent shifter dies to random spammage. and that sentence applies for shifter too you know... just run around until lamerdin gets bored and nail him with shift fury and what not

-Cppo

[Hellfire Boss]

no decent shifter dies to random spammage. and that sentence applies for shifter too you know... just run around until lamerdin gets bored and nail him with shift fury and what not

-Cppo


shifter cant touch hammerdin

[akumaxxyz]

no decent shifter dies to random spammage. and that sentence applies for shifter too you know... just run around until lamerdin gets bored and nail him with shift fury and what not

-Cppo

you know what problem you have against hdins? he can spam 24/7 invinsible hammers box you in and all you can do is cast wolfs and keep running
yeah great build

[Uncle_Mike]

While I agree in principle I believe some of you have not faced good shifters at all :tongue:

It takes more than random hammerfields to take out aquality shifter, in particular since he will reshift at 1 life. Also, since shifters are so horrible why do you mention spamming random hammerfields and boxing them? Why not just ez wtfpwn them?

That being said hammer>shifter, sorry druid players :laugh:

[Hellfire Boss]

While I agree in principle I believe some of you have not faced good shifters at all :tongue:

It takes more than random hammerfields to take out aquality shifter, in particular since he will reshift at 1 life. Also, since shifters are so horrible why do you mention spamming random hammerfields and boxing them? Why not just ez wtfpwn them?

That being said hammer>shifter, sorry druid players :laugh:

then i need only to flash him with hf or switch to 3 foh cta

[yuqing]

Assuming not everyone has a point in FoH or a 3 FoH CtA, holy freeze will do 0 damage if the druid wears a raven, which he most likely will. Plus he can just cast cyclone armor if he feels endangered.

[Cppo-The-Wild]

you know what problem you have against hdins? he can spam 24/7 invinsible hammers box you in and all you can do is cast wolfs and keep running
yeah great build

looks like pretty harsh arguments without any real experience. as said reshift works great vs hammers, spirit wolves.... not so much

then i need only to flash him with hf or switch to 3 foh cta

never seen a single person using 3foh cta. i know i duel a lot in publics and very little in private but hey that makes no difference in my case then (as well as 90 % of all people dueling i'd say)

i love to duel lamerdins with my wolf. fun and exiting duels and i'm actually in a 50-50 situation with the hammer>druid>hammer thing myself :p

-Cppo

[vknez]

without enigma most chars are nothing (including hammerdin)

just to add some oil on the fire...:tongue:

[akumaxxyz]

fury druids are only dangerous if they pack good dmg/ar and when you get close only. i reckon a tank hammerdin will just hammer you to death, about reshift theres alot of ways to kill that 1 life, foh is one of them like hell fire said, you can use holyfire/shock smite and theres nothing the shifter can do but wait for your attack. if you really want to win just put on a grief pb and smite

without enigma most chars are nothing (including hammerdin)
you are very wrong, hammerdins are probably the only class that can do well with out teleport

looks like pretty harsh arguments without any real experience. as said reshift works great vs hammers, spirit wolves.... not so much

duel me with your shifter if your on west nl

[jesterlolz]

My wolf is incredibly weak compared to others, but I'd be willing to duel you to [possibly] give you a run for your money.

[lendial]

many hammers choose desynce hammer almost exclusively, only teleing right as they desync into you.

of course the pub hammer will sit still, spam concentrated hammers, and call you noob because you dont mele him.

shifter<hammer without question and hammer>most classes with minor debate.

[yetidiah]

range 5 hit and run rabies with max block switch seems to do fine for me

also a trapsin does pretty well against Hdins in GM environments

[thepandafactor]

I tihnk it might be possible to totally resist hammerdins with magic absorb and mdr. Try something like saftey mon with 2x mal, or gerkes with mal, gaze with mal, or artisans tiara of amicae with mals, jewelers armor of amicae with mals, string of ears, etc. I think you should be able to resist them almost completely.

[akumaxxyz]

I tihnk it might be possible to totally resist hammerdins with magic absorb and mdr. Try something like saftey mon with 2x mal, or gerkes with mal, gaze with mal, or artisans tiara of amicae with mals, jewelers armor of amicae with mals, string of ears, etc. I think you should be able to resist them almost completely.

theres no way you can absorb 10-16k hammers with safely shields alone and mals are jokes, the only worth while way to absorb hammer damage is through energy shield

[xxxkillerxxx]

Assuming not everyone has a point in FoH or a 3 FoH CtA, holy freeze will do 0 damage if the druid wears a raven

Nono holy freeze kills everything @ 1 life why would all "pro" bvcs use them otherwise? :rolleyes:

Barbs get molested by hammers, who seriously thinks shapers can compete lol? It's like saying shaper>nec or barb rofl

[The Cow King]

Barbs get molested by hammers, who seriously thinks shapers can compete lol? It's like saying shaper>nec or barb rofl


Shaper -> range 6

I think it helps... somewhat..

[Hellfire Boss]

Shaper -> range 6

I think it helps... somewhat..

doesnt change the fact that barbs are alot harded to beat than shapers lol

[Cppo-The-Wild]

duel me with your shifter if your on west nl

unfortunately i'm on eu L.

anyway my personal experiences are pretty good when dueling hammer with wolf. haven't played a bvc but what i've noticed is that when hammerdins that beat bvc's until tbarbarian starts to wheep about how lame they are tend to have a lot harder time with me than with barbarians. but that's just my experiences and opinions, i'm not trying to convince that if you want to beat hammerdins build a wolf. by far the easiest duels vs hammer for me has been (as said) duels with my bowzon.

-Cppo

[Uncle_Mike]

Ele druid :smiley:

trying to get back to the original topic

[xxxkillerxxx]

Shaper -> range 6

I think it helps... somewhat..

Range 6 via a new cheat or something? Cause last time I checked range 5 was max, tombreaver had range 4 and barb>shaper both vs each other and vs hammer :)


Nec with magic immune revives is my first choice to kill hammers, windy second.

[jaxz]

Nec with Revives and Bone spells.

[Uncle_Mike]

Range 6 via a new cheat or something? Cause last time I checked range 5 was max, tombreaver had range 4 and barb>shaper both vs each other and vs hammer :)


Nec with magic immune revives is my first choice to kill hammers, windy second.

Summoning magic immune monsters is boring though (I would at least guess it is) while wolves need no corpses to be summoned.

[Monopoly]

well. a good h-din should be able to sorb all. so that leaves us with all phys dmg. so my bet is on:
wind dodo.
bow ama. (not dex build)
bone nec. (with revives)
and maby a gg baba with consentrate and nigma :P

[TienJe]

you shouldn't even need revives/summons if you're using a nec. if you walk/tele well, spirits + prison should give hdins a terribly hard time.

[TTTimo]

Ele druid
Bone Nec

Desynching Bowzons (get grief ^^)
BvC can be annoying
good ww/trapper
es sorcs (hots / malice)

wolf can be annoying for hammers if you don't play defensive 24/7 and wait for them to run into hammers..

[lendial]

mals and safes dont come even near enough to resisting hammers. you still die in the exact same amount of hits whether its one two or three. this is one of the reason they are so overpowering, even DR can be resisted by 50% and the elements are a joke if bm sorb is allowed.

[thepandafactor]

idk, has anyone tried it?

[akumaxxyz]

you get a big wooping 5% magic absorb off shields which reduce like 100pvp

[thepandafactor]

You can probably get like -150 magic dmg total, with +10% magic absorb from a shield. So I dunno, doesn't sound like that much but in practice even a little mdr helped me a lot.

[Hellfire Boss]

unfortunately i'm on eu L.

anyway my personal experiences are pretty good when dueling hammer with wolf. haven't played a bvc but what i've noticed is that when hammerdins that beat bvc's until tbarbarian starts to wheep about how lame they are tend to have a lot harder time with me than with barbarians. but that's just my experiences and opinions, i'm not trying to convince that if you want to beat hammerdins build a wolf. by far the easiest duels vs hammer for me has been (as said) duels with my bowzon.

-Cppo

yeah fury is awesome vs hammers with iq>70 lool

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GjKfYngV7Y

[Cppo-The-Wild]

yeah fury is awesome vs hammers with iq>70 lool = 95% of people who bring them to duel games... at least in the realm i play in. and the one's with 70+ i usually have the fun with.

edit: but mikey we love to argue! you're right i shut up

-Cppo

[Uncle_Mike]

yeah fury is awesome vs hammers with iq>70 lool

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GjKfYngV7Y

Can we please leave this topic? :rolleyes:

Let's just agree that shaper isn't the best char to take out hammerdins :wink3:

[lendial]

what was being said in that vid?

[vknez]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kD57eENdIWU

:shocked:

[Uncle_Mike]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kD57eENdIWU

:shocked:

:rolleyes:

Just because someone killed a hammerdin doesn't make shapers the anti-hammerdin chars which is the subject of this topic :unimpressed:

[DayDream]

^Video
I don't remember but isn't casting two hammers at once considered to be proof that somebody is using tmc?

[The Cow King]

what was being said in that vid?

at 25.00 it sounds like deleted and after that they start talking something about barb with delirium helmet.

yeah fury is awesome vs hammers with iq>70 lool

You do realize > means this side is greater than this

[yetidiah]

your average pub hdin loses to necros, windies, and bowazons most often. most GM 1v1 duels with limited absorb and max res they lose to blizzard sorcs, good trappers, ES/FB sorcs, and infinity wielding nova sorcs.

[Uncle_Mike]

You do realize > means this side is greater than this

You do realise that trolling is not welcome? :evil:

:wave:

I must say that I am pretty tired of this thread. Arguments and ideas have been posted - I might as well close it.