Whats good bow dmg/mods?

[XAndrewX]

Give a good example of a gg bow.

Obviously IAS but whats good dmg and other mods.

[SOLEboy]

1xx dmg goth bow i believe

also i think it depends on where you are at. i think eur has highest max dmg for things currently, then east.

this is only my current observation, as im trying to obtain a high dmg naga or bham on west and they are all about 10-20 dmg weaker than on other realms.

[Lorg]

Nice gothics start from 140 dmg onwards. With 20 ias on them. Other mods are not necessary, but obviously fire dmg, resistances and + skills are a bonus and -req. Knockback is gg mod 4 a bow, since its needed 4 pvp and if you have it on a bow it allowes you to use much nicer helm than Holw tusk.

Runebows need 20 ias, 100+ dmg on them and Doublebows 20 ias and 8x dmg to be nice enough to make an nm dueler bowzon. -req not so good, since you will usually need str to wear howl tusk and need to pump str to 63 anyway (rune needs 73 str so some help to it). Razor bows are nice but low str req not helping much -> need sigs gloves anyway.



Lower dmg bows work too, but when im trading a bow i look for those kinds of stats. These are on ladder. On non-ladder there are plenty of better bows on market.

[Akukami]

Here's one I managed to dig up from zaxien's posts:

Blood Bolt (http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c50/zigger421/Zonstuff.jpg)

The Bow is in the middle along with some other Bowazon gear. I love the name! :thumbsup:

- Akukami

[zaxien]

hey I remember that bow!

80+damage 20ias fire damage double bow > that though =(

[Zodijackyl]

I remember that bow too, and the amulet. Found the amulet and got the bow in a trade.

Gothic bows without IAS work, any other bow without IAS will not work. 0IAS Rune Bow = 20IAS Gothic Bow, and the only advantage of a Rune Bow is the speed. 20IAS 100+dmg is good for a Rune Bow, 20IAS 140+ is good for a Gothic Bow. Bowazons are hardly worth playing on classic anymore, especially for PvP.

[Lorg]

Pvp bowzon is fun in nm... (Until you are prizoned by bonemancers). Just wondering about Gothics without ias working thought. To reach 10 frames one would have to equip sigs gloves boots or helm, wrap and twich. Just like when taking advantage of 8 frames with double/razor. Both suffer from the fact that you cant use deaths belt when striving for these frames. Therefore you are bound to be drinking thaws quite a lot, which is annoying. Main targets for my bowa in nm duels are sorcs... 8 frames is fast enough to make sorcs reel (most sorcs in nm). Maybe 10 frames with high dmg gothic puts sorcs out faster, since most 60 lv sorcs dont have much life?

Just thinking, that would it be better for me to change my 101 dmg 20 ias rune (fire and poison dmg mods, clean) to a 156 dmg -30 req no ias gothic which i would have to sock to get fire dmg on it?

Still looking for that 8x dmg 20 ias double.... Offer sojs :thumbsup: !

-Lorg

[CdMagicFind]

Newb question I'm guessing, but why do bows have to have fire damage?

[squiggle]

Stuns.

IIRC

[BobCox]

Depends on what you are, lvl etc.
Here is a Good Game bow I still have from a long ago a classic conversion on west (added a socket and name when converted) that I put on every new bow user I start at level 29
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/3644/screenshot016un0.jpg
They always seem to have the stats to use it even at that level and Ranger Pal etc. ;-)

[CdMagicFind]

Depends on what you are, lvl etc.
Here is a Good Game bow I still have from a long ago a classic conversion on west (added a socket and name when converted) that I put on every new bow user I start at level 29
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/3644/screenshot016un0.jpg
Always seem to have the stats to use it even at that level and Ranger Pal etc.
You converted that? The bows can get better on LoD though. . _ ..

And, oh, is that a property of only fire damage?

[squiggle]

Depends on what you are, lvl etc.
Here is a Good Game bow I still have from a long ago a classic conversion on west (added a socket and name when converted) that I put on every new bow user I start at level 29
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/3644/screenshot016un0.jpg
They always seem to have the stats to use it even at that level and Ranger Pal etc. ;-)

Lmao.

Z_z, Converted -.-

[Lorg]

Well that would be kicky bow on ladder even without shael rune. Very nice.

If i remember correctly my rune is 39 lv req and gothic is 48. Anyway, i usually tend to level amas to 51 lv (or more) since all nice rings have atleast 51 lv req on them. But with that kind of bow i sure would make a low lv pvp zon.

And i would take the 156 dmg -30 req bow over my 101 20 ias rune if it had 20 ias, but it does not and therefore i'm not sure which is better in nm duels. Maybe the rune, since i can get 180 cold res (28,27 min dex rings, 15 deaths, 45/43 cold light dual stack amu with min dmg, 37 boots, 30 helm) combined with thaws and cannot be frozen its enough in nm duels and since its resonably fast its possible to go 1 frame slower to beef up res with 10 ias 15 dex 30 cold 29 light gloves. In extreme cases slap on 30 res belt too. All are in my stash with the zon, but havent actually used them yet. Normally nm duel games are full of bonemancers and speeders so cant concentrate on individual sorcs.

The gothic is not mine so im thinking of trading it if it works without ias. Might trade it anyway cause i somewhat collect bows. It would be nice for a strafer if not for pvp.

-Lorg

[Lorg]

Anyway, since other ama related items was displayed earlier decided to post pics of some of the rings in use atmo...

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/4083/screenshot006cq7.jpg

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/5411/screenshot007zc6.jpg

-L

[Zodijackyl]

Anyway, since other ama related items was displayed earlier decided to post pics of some of the rings in use atmo...

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/4083/screenshot006cq7.jpg

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/5411/screenshot007zc6.jpg

-L

Storm Hold is decent for a bowazon, neither is very impressive though.

[fledgeling]

I wonder what is impressive for you then, probably you had better gear? If so, please list it.

140 res rings dont count.

[mjzaconet]

fight! fiight! fight! fight!..hehehe

[Akukami]

I wonder what is impressive for you then, probably you had better gear? If so, please list it.

140 res rings dont count.

I can fill in for this one. An impressive Bowazon Ring would be the following:

9 Min Dmg and/or 4 Max Dmg 1xx AR 1x Dex and/or Str 2x CR/FR/LR (any combination of 2 or 3 Resists)

This is the extent of my knowledge as far as I know with regard to Ladder drops. And as for those "140 Res Rings" you mentioned, I wouldn't be surpirsed to find out a Priz Ring with the mods I listed exists from way back when.

And yes, he did have better gear. Don't get annoyed; I've personally seen the extent of his wealth on NL, and it is beyond what you can fathom. Additionally, I can tell you right now that I've seen better Rings for a Bowa spawn on Ladder, and the ones that Lorg showed don't even come close to them.

- Akukami

[Zodijackyl]

I can fill in for this one. An impressive Bowazon Ring would be the following:

9 Min Dmg and/or 4 Max Dmg 1xx AR 1x Dex and/or Str 2x CR/FR/LR (any combination of 2 or 3 Resists)

This is the extent of my knowledge as far as I know with regard to Ladder drops. And as for those "140 Res Rings" you mentioned, I wouldn't be surpirsed to find out a Priz Ring with the mods I listed exists from way back when.

And yes, he did have better gear. Don't get annoyed; I've personally seen the extent of his wealth on NL, and it is beyond what you can fathom. Additionally, I can tell you right now that I've seen better Rings for a Bowa spawn on Ladder, and the ones that Lorg showed don't even come close to them.

- Akukami

Oh Snap!

As for my min rings, here's a few legits:
BvB Rings
9min 116ar 11str 15dex 5lr (1.10b NL)
9min 89ar 11str 15dex 19lr (1.11 LS3)
BvA Rings (from Ladder Season 3)
8min 107ar 4ll 13dex 28cr 12lr
9min 40ar 11str 5dex 39cr
Assorted Rings (I don't even use these)
9min 117ar 5ll 11dex 19lr
9min 101ar 26life 17mana
7min 14dex 39life 21fr
7min 107ar 15str 12fr

[Akukami]

Oh Snap!

As for my min rings, here's a few legits:
BvB Rings
9min 116ar 11str 15dex 5lr (1.10b NL)
9min 89ar 11str 15dex 19lr (1.11 LS3)
BvA Rings (from Ladder Season 3)
8min 107ar 4ll 13dex 28cr 12lr
9min 40ar 11str 5dex 39cr
Assorted Rings (I don't even use these)
9min 117ar 5ll 11dex 19lr
9min 101ar 26life 17mana
7min 14dex 39life 21fr
7min 107ar 15str 12fr

Ooo, I want that last Assorted Ring. :grin:

- Akukami

[Zodijackyl]

Ooo, I want that last Assorted Ring. :grin:

- Akukami

The last two are a very old set from a Zealot I played around with.

[fledgeling]

Oh Snap!

As for my min rings, here's a few legits:
BvB Rings
9min 116ar 11str 15dex 5lr (1.10b NL)
9min 89ar 11str 15dex 19lr (1.11 LS3)
BvA Rings (from Ladder Season 3)
8min 107ar 4ll 13dex 28cr 12lr
9min 40ar 11str 5dex 39cr
Assorted Rings (I don't even use these)
9min 117ar 5ll 11dex 19lr
9min 101ar 26life 17mana
7min 14dex 39life 21fr
7min 107ar 15str 12fr

I still believe his ring is nearly optimal, with 9min, dual str/dex and CR/LR
which actually are the resists to stack.
Perhaps your rings have more dex/strenght = like 20-30 more life, but Id rather have 25+ LR/CR... than 20 more life

Btw. "standard" rings from my realm for many people (I dont know if these matters can be talked on this board - if not please delete):
ring A - 141 ar, 2-7 light damage (lol), 5% life stolen, 12dex, 43CR, 15LR, 15FR, 15PR

ring B - 3min, 118ar, 6% life leech, 15cr, 63 lr (that's not even funny), 15fr, 15pr, 1light radius

Fohers have a pretty hard time, 126 light res only from the rings..
I dont have a screenshot of the 140LR ring.. I hate the dupes so much, legit items cant compete with them at all...

I dont even want to touch the subject of weapons, 185 bh anyone?

[CdMagicFind]

I was thinking the point of the rings was AR, not the little extra stats.

[Zodijackyl]

I still believe his ring is nearly optimal, with 9min, dual str/dex and CR/LR
which actually are the resists to stack.
Perhaps your rings have more dex/strenght = like 20-30 more life, but Id rather have 25+ LR/CR... than 20 more life

Btw. "standard" rings from my realm for many people (I dont know if these matters can be talked on this board - if not please delete):
ring A - 141 ar, 2-7 light damage (lol), 5% life stolen, 12dex, 43CR, 15LR, 15FR, 15PR

ring B - 3min, 118ar, 6% life leech, 15cr, 63 lr (that's not even funny), 15fr, 15pr, 1light radius

Fohers have a pretty hard time, 126 light res only from the rings..
I dont have a screenshot of the 140LR ring.. I hate the dupes so much, legit items cant compete with them at all...

I dont even want to touch the subject of weapons, 185 bh anyone?

I don't care about duped rings, I have legit rings that are better than dupes, and 3min on a ring is worthless.
Neither of those rings beats mine, the stats on the one with 15/29 resists are low as is the AR (making it weak for anything other than a bowazon, already a nearly useless build), and the other lacks AR, again making it useless for any practical build, and only has a single high resist. The lack of AR also hurts a bowazon for any attack other than Guided Arrow, making them even more impractical.

[Akukami]

I still believe his ring is nearly optimal, with 9min, dual str/dex and CR/LR
which actually are the resists to stack.
Perhaps your rings have more dex/strenght = like 20-30 more life, but Id rather have 25+ LR/CR... than 20 more life

Btw. "standard" rings from my realm for many people (I dont know if these matters can be talked on this board - if not please delete):
ring A - 141 ar, 2-7 light damage (lol), 5% life stolen, 12dex, 43CR, 15LR, 15FR, 15PR

ring B - 3min, 118ar, 6% life leech, 15cr, 63 lr (that's not even funny), 15fr, 15pr, 1light radius

Fohers have a pretty hard time, 126 light res only from the rings..
I dont have a screenshot of the 140LR ring.. I hate the dupes so much, legit items cant compete with them at all...

I dont even want to touch the subject of weapons, 185 bh anyone?

First off, you need AR to actually HIT the target. (I've made only one Bowazon, and I even knew this because it's common knowledge.) Secondly, dupes are worth squat and are good as collector's items. Why? Simply because there are multiples of them: the more there are, the less they're worth.

- Akukami

[fledgeling]

I thought we are discussing amazon rings here. According to my knowledge, while dueling, amazons use mostly guided arrow - and they should get enough AR to hit without special AR rings (they manage to hit my barb with 10k defense). For some time I even thought that guided arrow "always hits" unless blocked/dodged and requires no AR at all.

I have seen like 2-3 strafe bowazons and 1 amazon using cold arrows.
Maybe the additional 80 AR would help them, but Im not that sure actually, because as far as I remember the "AR boost" from some amazon skills is bugged and not added at all (no idea which skills, read it somewhere on the forums).

I wonder what would be the additional bonuses of the 80 AR when combined with the skills of the amazon. Level 20 penetrate (just for test) adds 225%, so 3,25 x 80 = 260. Is that much? Im not sure...
Id rather see numbers than just opinions.

[fredsta54]

guided always hits but u can block it. also chilling armour can block it but thats more research needed

no ar is needed for guided. i say go for 100% pierce with fire or frozen arrows thats the only way you can work

-Fred

[Lorg]

The rings are my pvp ama rings -> would not use them on BVB either cause no ar. Since guided allways hits the extra ar is pretty useless.
All my multi needs to hit is bonewalls to escape them (sometimes even succesfully). The rare duels with ZvsZ my multi has more than enough ar to hit twich zons...

Just because pvp bowzons are not what they used to be does not mean that its not fun to duel with them. Its like saying Hammerdins and Blizzers are the most efficient characters in this patch and draw the conclusion that everyone should play only them cause other chars are a waste of time. Well the hole point of the game is to waste the said time and have fun?

As for Zodi's rings go they are nice and i'd love to have them, but for my pvp ZON i might as well use mine cause for that they are just as good or near atleast. If i miss something other than the lack of ar plz educate me. I'm eager to learn...

Best Regards,

Lorg

[Zodijackyl]

Any decent PvP bowazon will use Multiple Shot in addition to Guided Arrow, the only thing that pure GA zons are good for is max dex + breakpoint hacks sitting on a TP, and even then MS is still very useful.

[Lorg]

Hmm... not a pure GA zon. Just using multi to hit low def targets and harass off screen to lure people away from town entrance.
Atleast my rings beat the rings your friend used (or are on bar) on his godly pvp zon (pictures supplied in the beginning of the thread), which according to some earlier post was very efficient vs all but sorcs (no res on gear) and necs (boneprizon) + chargers. NO offence towards zaxien is intended. I allways like people who play builds that are not über. Pvp bowzons do work to an extent. They are not godly (like in earlier patches with the piercing bug), but they are fun.

Anyway, only one of his rings sported ar and that was pretty huge bonus (47ar). I bet his multi hits targets and mine does not? Or maybe he was not a deacent pvp bowzon (freguently used multi combined with ga) cause he had no ar? Or maybe he was sitting on TP using brakepoint hacks like you implied as a another good use for GA zons? Or maybe the rings that were posted in that picture were not the ones he actually used? Or... could it be that it worked good enough without rings plenty of ar, cause he used mostly GA?

[Zodijackyl]

Hmm... not a pure GA zon. Just using multi to hit low def targets and harass off screen to lure people away from town entrance.
Atleast my rings beat the rings your friend used (or are on bar) on his godly pvp zon (pictures supplied in the beginning of the thread), which according to some earlier post was very efficient vs all but sorcs (no res on gear) and necs (boneprizon) + chargers. NO offence towards zaxien is intended. I allways like people who play builds that are not über. Pvp bowzons do work to an extent. They are not godly (like in earlier patches with the piercing bug), but they are fun.

Anyway, only one of his rings sported ar and that was pretty huge bonus (47ar). I bet his multi hits targets and mine does not? Or maybe he was not a deacent pvp bowzon (freguently used multi combined with ga) cause he had no ar? Or maybe he was sitting on TP using brakepoint hacks like you implied as a another good use for GA zons? Or maybe the rings that were posted in that picture were not the ones he actually used? Or... could it be that it worked good enough without rings plenty of ar, cause he used mostly GA?

Yeah, that third one :P

I believe he also used my BvA rings at one point, and possibly some others, as I know he had one very nice 9min/ar/str/dex/res ring last lad.

[Lorg]

Maybe we should end this 'mini' flamewar :grin:

Just that ar on rings dont add very much to multishot. Tested it and the difference with a 100 ar ring and no ar on ring was barely worth mentioning. Besides no pvp ama will max pentetrate, which would enchance ar gained from ring (multi skill only increases the amount of arrows) Different story to barbs thought. Just had to try to get the last word :cool:


-L

[Zodijackyl]

Maybe we should end this 'mini' flamewar :grin:

Just that ar on rings dont add very much to multishot. Tested it and the difference with a 100 ar ring and no ar on ring was barely worth mentioning. Besides no pvp ama will max pentetrate, which would enchance ar gained from ring (multi skill only increases the amount of arrows) Different story to barbs thought. Just had to try to get the last word :cool:


-L

Just checked on a bowazon (my level 52 MLD from 1.09) and switching on my AR rings adds about 15% chance to hit. It's a matter of choice, your second ring is good for a bowazon, but I would say mine are by far the best for anything else.

[Lorg]

Yep. Lucky for me that i use it only on my ladder pvp zon.

So truce it is. I need to go and kick some noobie butt on nm duels with the zon (and the rings). Zon cant really kill anyone who knows how to duel, with or without rings. Furthermore, if they are noobs then kicky rings are not even needed :grin: !

Still havent found 8x 20 ias double, but i do have a pending offer on nice 154 dmg 20 ias gothic, meanwhile im testing a 146 dmg gothic with 13 min, which by the way is bugged. Cause the ed is only17x and it just has min dmg. The bow sports 146 max which is like 190 ed or so... Hmm maybe i should post a picture of that too. I play very little these days so i dont really know how common they are. Don't think that there are that many.

-Lorg

[Lorg]

Bugged bow here. Dmg is too much...

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9811/screenshot002tg3.jpg

One other bow just to show the numbers it would need to actually have the dmg.

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/2619/screenshot001xn9.jpg

Quite funny actually...

-L

[Lorg]

Here's a new acquisition of mine.

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/5234/screenshot009an6.jpg

Don't let the lowish ed fool ya. Its pretty nice bow for pvp in ladder standards.

[Zodijackyl]

Bugged bow here. Dmg is too much...

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9811/screenshot002tg3.jpg

One other bow just to show the numbers it would need to actually have the dmg.

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/2619/screenshot001xn9.jpg

Quite funny actually...

-L

That's not bugged, that's from a different patch (not sure on the exact patch, but it isn't bugged) - the level 48 req throws me off as I don't remember level reqs from each patch.


Here's a new acquisition of mine.

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/5234/screenshot009an6.jpg

Don't let the lowish ed fool ya. Its pretty nice bow for pvp in ladder standards.

Very nice bow, the min dmg on it is great.

[Lorg]

It throws you off, because that bow is from this ladder season(dont have any nl accounts or chars for that matter)... Euscl... hence, my claim for bugged bow...

Thx thx! Was pretty happy when i traded it. I did overpay to get it, but thats pretty common, when after something one really wants :grin:

[Zodijackyl]

It throws you off, because that bow is from this ladder season(dont have any nl accounts or chars for that matter)... Euscl... hence, my claim for bugged bow...

Thx thx! Was pretty happy when i traded it. I did overpay to get it, but thats pretty common, when after something one really wants :grin:

Interesting, it is bugged then.

[RTB]

It's a display bug, on the affix part. IIRC if minimum dmg spawns on an item, and then the same amount of maximum dmg spawns, the maximum dmg is not displayed as affix. The same bug is present in the expansion on for example the Cranium Basher.

[JEstevam]

I remember that bow too, and the amulet. Found the amulet and got the bow in a trade.

Gothic bows without IAS work, any other bow without IAS will not work. 0IAS Rune Bow = 20IAS Gothic Bow, and the only advantage of a Rune Bow is the speed. 20IAS 100+dmg is good for a Rune Bow, 20IAS 140+ is good for a Gothic Bow. Bowazons are hardly worth playing on classic anymore, especially for PvP.

Gothic Bow needs a total of 60 ias to reach 10 frames
(10 on bow, 20 from twitch, 30 from deaths/sigons)

Rune Bow needs 70 ias for 9 frames
(20 on bow, etc)

Double Bow needs 80 ias for 8 frames
(20 on on bow, 20 from twitch, 30 from sigons, 10 from goldwrap)

Something a lot of people don't know is if you don't wanna use much IAS:
Chu-Ko-Nu needs 10 ias for 11 fames (12 default)

[sorcerben]

heres my bow:

dam. 27-111 gothic bow
111 AR
2 min dam
5 dex.
is it alright?

[WarlockCC]

If the bow allows your amazon to kill the enemies, then I'd say it's quite alright.
With a bow like that, I'd probably use twitch, sigons gloves, sigons boots(or helm) and goldwrap belt, to get the 60ias needed to hit 10 frames.

One shouldn't get hung up on the maximum possible modifiers on any weapon. Just get the most from the weapons you find. :)

[sorcerben]

what frame do u need to hit for IAS for a javazon using a normal javelin?
Also, is it better to use a javelin or throwing spear in diablo 2 classic? (throwing spear need more dex TT)

[WarlockCC]

Presuming you want to throw (Furyzon?), I didn't to worry about any of the lightning skill breakpoints in classic.
There aren't a lot of items which give you mana after you make a kill and the physical damage from a thrown javalin (or even Harpoon) just isn't enough to cover the mana cost of the Javazon's thrown lightning skills. So you may in fact want to take it easy on the number of toothpicks you hurl at the monsters.
With such a javazon being mostly ranged, but for clean-up, she needs to get up close, so you will need to find a good balance with your resists, block and IAS.