OT: Anyone ready to give Adrain Peterson a ticket to Canton [Archive]

STINGER

05-11-2007, 17:10

If he keeps playing in the NFC and in the same division and against some of the worst defenses in the game (and offenses that cant rest their defenses) he is going to continue to put up big numbers as he has game breaking speed. Chargers Defense has looked bad all season, currently 25 overall and 22nd vs the run.

Vikings are #2 against the run and the Chargers live and die with what LT does and he hasnt been able to do well against good run D's this season.

Vikings dont have much to offers except Peterson on offense. As long as the D can continue to keep the game close he will keep getting alot of touches. Hell, the Chargers knew he was coming and they still couldnt stop it.

Rookie of the Year is probably already his but it takes no less than 11-12000 rushing yards to be among the top 15-20 RB's ever and that means 8-10 years of good production. Actually playing 8-10+ years as a RB in the NFL is the hardest part of it all, the list is very long of highly skilled RBs with game breaking speed that couldnt deal with the punishment.

Dallas vs NY is probably the NFC's equivilant of the Pats vs Colts game.

Tai.

05-11-2007, 17:55

Excuse Me????

Halfway through someone's rookie season and we're talking about the Hall?
Are you insane?

Christ man, i can't count how many potentially great running backs we've seen in the last 10 years. Give him AT LEAST another two years before you can seriously consider the Hall.

He plays in an inherently weak division, yes he's damn talented but c'mon man.

40 touches a game against decent defenses will wear you down VERY quickly, and when you're team can't take the pressure off you, it forces you to either have a stellar career or burn out and fade away.

Way way way too early to pick which path he'll follow, it'll be fun to watch though.

Cheers
-Tai

Valar-Wrath

05-11-2007, 19:30

Dallas vs NY is probably the NFC's equivilant of the Pats vs Colts game.

I really think NY is overrated, to be honest.

Dallas vs. Green Bay will be a closer equivalent when they play.

STINGER

05-11-2007, 22:52

I really think NY is overrated, to be honest.

Dallas vs. Green Bay will be a closer equivalent when they play.

If GB could run the ball I could agree but thus far they really havent been able to and that will catch up to you when it comes time for the play-offs. Farve simply has the smoke and mirriors working very well with a week schedule to help him.

You could say the same for the Giants with a not so strong schedule but they have had a running game and they also have a "solid" not overwhelming passing game. Their Defense after looking like high schoolers at the beginning of the season has rebounded to be pretty strong.

Giants and Packers are close in Rush D but the Packers are weaker in Passing D and Giants are 7th in total D after giving up 80 points in the first two games which is a big improvement.

Until GB starts running the ball they will be a long shot compared to NY.

Also, if you consider what the "guys in the know" thought was going to happen in NY this season leaving Manning to lead the team and wondering if he can, he has made that "next step" that he needed to make which come the end of the season is going to give him more confidence. Give me a #7 D and a decent Offense and I am pleased.

If the Giants D had played like they are now in the beginning of the season things could be alot different right now. 80 points in 2 games with a 155 total thats 75 in 6 games!

d00m2k

06-11-2007, 08:41

The biggest story of the year is the Detroit Lions. Their offense looks like it has just clicked.

prion

06-11-2007, 08:51

it took me this long to figure out why he needed a ticket to Canton. Thats where the hall of fame is.
which never made sense to me...Is Canton some historic location for football?

Thiklan

06-11-2007, 09:48

Yeah, Peterson is doing great for my fantasy team as well, but I recall one week earlier when the Eagles run D stuffed him. So he's hardly walking on water yet...

And the NFL was originally founded (under a different name), in Canton, Ohio back in 1920 - wikipedia ftw!

STINGER

06-11-2007, 18:56

Valar-Wrath

06-11-2007, 20:33

Detroits Defense sort of blows, their rush D isnt bad but they have basically played bad teams. The D has been making big plays, but they arent making "stops". Hell Philly went for 56 against them and cant break 20 vs anyone else.

Hey, they are competing this year and its good to see, but they have "smoke and mirriors" working for them on both sides of the ball and a very week schedule thus far. They could very easily finish up with only (2) more wins unless that Defense keeps finding ways to pull out tons of take aways, they are #1 in take aways with 26 (closest at 18) and still giving up more points that all but like 4 teams in the league.

NFC blows guys........unfortunately it has for a long time and I still feel the best chance at the NFC winning a Super Bowl is 2-3 years away! Steelers/Colts/Pats are easily top 3. If Cleavland cant make the playoffs I would easily rank them as most improved due to schedule over even a 12-4 Lions.

I agree with everything about the Lions. I just don't think they're that good. I never thought John Kitna was a good quarterback and I don't see him leading any team deep into the playoffs.

The only thing I don't agree with is the Steelers easily being in the top 3. I'd say top 5 are: Pats, Colts, 'Boys, Steelers, Packers. The Pats and Colts being in a league of their own the way they are playing right now. Steelers are good but they tend to fall apart against sub par teams. I see them choking first round of the playoffs.

STINGER

06-11-2007, 21:55

Steelers are on a weak schedule but they have good D and a solid running game with a solid QB. In a close game they are probably #2 in all around teams. Pats are excellent, but the running game is a little questionable. I know Maroney can do it but they have had injury issues there and when it comes down to poor weather in New England I wonder if they might not be at more of a disadvantage than a team like the Steelers or Colts would be. Steelers are always built for cold weather and the Colts are more prepared for that now than ever but now the Pats are all about long bombs and leaping catches......big air attack. If they have nothing but Faulk for a running game at the end they will have problems!

i place Steelers over Dallas simply due to Defense. Defense wins championships and the next best asset is a power running game. They also have plenty enuff Offense to score enuff to win if the D is making stops.

Pats vs Steelers Dec 9th IIRC, that will tell us all about the Steelers.

ReiperXHC

09-11-2007, 19:55

I gotta' admit. That kid is beastly. I'm a Bears fan, so I'm torn as to wether or not I'd like to see him keep up his success. On one hand he's on the vikings...who I hate...with a passion.

On the other hand, I just love football in general and one of my all time favorite things is to see records get broken and such, and people have tremendous seasons/careers etc. So I'd actually love to see this kid rush for 2000+ yards this season and continue to do it year in and year out. Cuz that would just be completely insane. lol

On a side note. The NE Patriots onfgwtflol!!!!!!! It's good that the Colts could finally show up and make them look human, even though they still won that game....the key thing here is that they eeked it. But I'm pretty sure that Brady is gonna annihlate that record. I'm expecting no less than 55 TD's out of him this season. (also friggin' insane)

Yes, they got caught cheating, but I highly doubt that they are cheating right now, and they are making some teams just look sad. (granted some of them suck.) I actually wouldn't mind seeing this team go undefeated. And I don't mind if they run up the score. I hate that "unspoken" rule that they shouldn't keep scoring points if they can. Honestly, if the other team can score that many points against you, don't complain...build a better team.

P.S. How in GOD'S NAME did other teams let them pick up Randy Moss? lol Seriously now...that pretty much signed the death sentence to most of the AFC, and if the Pats make it to the SB, no NFC team even has a chance I don't think.

Then there's the Bears...so sad...honestly I think Griese is doing "okay" but there's not way that he's the future. I think it's good to give Grossman a break so he can think some things through and maybe work out whatever the hell is keeping him from succeeding. But I think maybe one day they could put him back in and he could make a nice solid starter. (more of a hope than a fact lol) Our offense sucks balls. Benson was supposed to be "ready" to take the reigns from Jones and hasn't ran for 100 in a single game so far this season, what a disappointment. What's worse is that they suck so bad that we still can't put enough points on the bored even though other teams ALWAYS just give us the ball at the 35-45 yard line so as not to kick it to Hester. (he he...I love hester)

Anyways...I'll let it go at that for now.

-Reip

Valar-Wrath

09-11-2007, 22:04

P.S. How in GOD'S NAME did other teams let them pick up Randy Moss? lol Seriously now...that pretty much signed the death sentence to most of the AFC, and if the Pats make it to the SB, no NFC team even has a chance I don't think.

The same reason other teams let Dallas pick up T.O. (to a lesser degree) They're great players and all is well as long as their team is winning. When their team starts losing you begin to see why some teams passed them up.

If you remember when Moss was first traded, there were two different opinions of it. Either Moss was going to make the Pats one of the best teams this league has seen in years because of his great ability or he was going to be the downfall of the dynasty because of his attitude. As long as the Pats continue to win, you may never see the "old" Randy Moss.

xXxfunbobxXx

10-11-2007, 00:48

YES but the patriots got moss for like a 4th round draft pick thats just sad............................................... ......

Tai.

10-11-2007, 01:06

Yea, I don't think too many people were honestly assuming Moss would fit so well with the teamwork attitude of the Pats. I mean you constantly see Brady explaining why he didn't throw to Moss when they cut to the sidelines, but he's been invaluable.

It was a calculated gamble that I think was made possible because Bellichick would DEFINITELY sit Moss if he wasn't working with the team.

Cheers
-Tai

ReiperXHC

10-11-2007, 18:07

No doubt Moss is the reason for all the passing TD's though. I mean Brady just lobs it as deep and as high as he can and Moss can just jump over everybody and catch it (most of the time.) It's almost unfair lol.

-Reip

Tai.

10-11-2007, 19:14

It did grant an extra dimension to the pats passing game as opposed to just the short outs and the underneath crossing routes, I'll grant ya that, but they've been throwing more than usual this year and considering it's an entirely new receiver core chalking it up entirely to moss seems simplistic.

Cheers
-Tai

ReiperXHC

11-11-2007, 15:35

Okay out of 33 Tom Brady TD's these are the reciever's who brought them in.

Randy Moss 56rec/924yds 12TD
Wes Welker 61rec/651yds 7 TD
D. Stallworth 28rec/453 3
B. Watson 20 / 232 5

Faulk/Gaffney Rarely get thrown to 1 TD a piece

Kyle Brady/Mike Vrabel (lol yeah) Each cought 2 TD's and they like NEVER get picked out to throw to (special situoations for vrabel, and I'm guessing that sometimes teams just don't cover brady because he's not expected to be a threat)

Moss is his main guy, he checks down to welker.

They got Moss and Welker both this season (Raiders/Dolphins)

Moss is scoring the points here, welker is just the check down man (which he is doing well)

So it's more of a 1/2 punch...but it wouldn't be possible really without moss, and it helps they have a decent running game.

What makes the games blowouts is the fact that NE also has a good defense to back it up.

::edit::

Ok I'm gonna' drop talkin' about NE since I just remembered this thread was supposed to be about Adrian Peterson lol (oops)

Tai.

12-11-2007, 03:10

Back on Adrian Peterson...

I know it's only one game, but he didn't seem HoF bound this week, and I personally expect much more of the same once teams start honing in on him the way the Packers did.

Cheers
-Tai

ReiperXHC

12-11-2007, 15:38

Yep. The packers won by:

1. Controlling the ball/clock. The Time of Posession the Pakers had in this game was just insane.

2. Containing Adrian Peterson. Since the Vikings didn't have ANY kind of a passing game to speak of, the Pack could just hone in on Adrian Peterson like nobody's business.

Nice job Packers, better luck next week Peterson.

-Reip

P.S. Grossman's back, Bears win. Go Bears!

STINGER

12-11-2007, 17:15

Packers made a big step this weekend with a running game vs one of the better run D's in the league.

Peterson had been contained vs most good run D's this season that he has faced. Hope his injury isnt career threatening, he is fun to watch regardless of who he plays for.

Detroit, lost the turn over battle thus lost the game to someone they should of beat. Arizona is mediocre at best and one of the worst O Lines in the league but a solid D by their numbers. Lions D shows its true colors, big play makers but not a good D.

Colts.....grrrrrr.......Yep I am a colts fan as I live in Indy. I am also not in favor of injuries as excusses, but when the numbers just keep racking up like they are its not looking good. The upside.....so far none of the injuries are ones that look to hurt their chances in the play-offs as long as they can hold on and still get a favorable seed. Titans helped out by loosing Sunday so no big loss for this loss to the Chargers. Peyton has always been a "gun slinger" when things arent going well. He trys to thread in passes that shouldnt be thrown, but even with 6 interceptions they still should of won the freaking game. Vinatieri is really scaring me though, he is missing way too much and you all know big games are often won by kickers.

Dallas vs Giants......Good game until NY self destructed! Although Dallas beat them convincingly i cant help but look at all those freaking delay of game penalties. That has to be completely disheartening to the defense to see the offense loaf around and do that crap. That should of been a great game all the way to the wire. i still think NY has what it takes to contend with Dallas but they need to get their heads out of their @$$!!!

Screw Peterson, just make this thread a FOOTBALL thread!

ReiperXHC

12-11-2007, 20:47

WOOHOO!!! FOOTBALL!!!!

This thread is going to be HUGE by the end of the season lol...

Maybe we should start a football thread with a proper name?

-Reip

xXxfunbobxXx

12-11-2007, 22:04

ill start one enxt sunday
yea im mad my man AD got injured sunday kid was carrying my fantasy team good thing i got westbrook to bail me out this weekend

STINGER

12-11-2007, 22:44

Pick up Petersons backup, good running teams are good running teams even with backups if they are decent, and Viks dont have much but a running game........or go for Jesse Chatman, or take a stab at Preist Holmes. IIRC late season KC has a weak schedule could be good numbers.

Valar-Wrath

12-11-2007, 22:44

I prefer a football thread once a week to discuss the games. :thumbsup:

One of the Giants' big problems is that Eli Manning isn't making enough plays. He's a pretty solid quarterback but they really need a big playmaker.

Steelers didn't look good until the end of the game. Once again, I don't see them going further than their first matchup in the playoffs.

The Colts game shouldn't scare any fans. They should have won that game, Vinateiri has been choking lately. As soon as Harrison gets back, Manning will be back to his normal self.

Packers looked good against a subpar Minnesota team. Favre seems to gain confidence and improve as they continue to win. Can't wait for the 29th when Favre comes into Dallas. :wink2:

STINGER

12-11-2007, 23:02

Colts game didnt bother me, the win/loss of that game really means nothing, but when we loose (2) more OLine and are now down to 5 and one was just signed from the practice team last week its a concern even though they did a good job. Dwight Freenys late injury worrys me the most. He can't play like he does on an injured ankle and there isn't a substitute that can draw the attention like he does. He makes that whole D Line with the attention he commands.

Frankly I thought it was down right shocking to see all those subs play as well as they did. It was just Peyton trying to force things that helped get em in deep trouble and then he did much better when he found out those guys could actually catch the ball. Moorehead aka Mooredrops played a career game!

Clint Session (2) inteceptions in his first game on D I dont even think he has done anything but special teams.

Moorehead had 3 catches all year and by my estimation maybe 10 drops!!!

Craphonso Thorpe first game with the colts and the first game in a 4 year career he actually put up stats.

Hell if Peyton would of just came out playing like he had all his normal people they may of crushed the Chargers.

ReiperXHC

13-11-2007, 15:45

Actually....it's hard to crush anybody when you throw 6 interceptions.

Tai.

13-11-2007, 17:10

True, but it's entirely possible that if the Indianapolis Special Teams could've made a couple tackles he would have done just that.

STINGER

13-11-2007, 18:27

When you have injuries and you start plugging holes special teams start to weaken.

If there is any down side to Manning it is that he will fire it into crowds at times. He will complete most of them but at times he gets burnt. When you see the special teams give up (2) scores and down 16-0 with (2) recievers that hadn't caught a pass all year and (1) who caught (3) all year with countless drops and a TE that had like 5 catches. LT aka Peytons back side aka blind side is being pressured constantly by All Pro Ends/LBs vs a freaking rookie who hadnt done real well since he went in 4 weeks back. Then loose him and another lineman and have to go to a guy that was on the practice squad at LT, move a guard to tackle and put a rookie in at guard. Then a Hall O Fame kicker that seemed to loose his freaking mind and misses a chip shot in a little ran when he has won many games in worse conditions.

Consider all that and I think the Colts kicked some major arse......started the game with 17 Offensive players, one being a backup QB that wasnt going to do squat and loose (3) of those during the game due to injury. Started with 16 basically and finished with 13.........

Its one thing doing it with all your weapons, and then another doing it a bit depleted, but when its the skeleton crew its not going to be easy. Take a look at the Rams, one of the most high powered Offenses in the leauge with a n O-line that is thrashed finally gets a win this weekend with a couple guys getting healty.

Injuries are no excuse, but when your are forced to take away one of your core pressure tactics in the no huddle because your people cant do it you cant hope for a stunning effort. Peyton gets 40 seconds on most plays to read the defense and try to confuse them and adjust plays normally but he couldnt do that this game.

Come now.....not many teams would of even kept that game close under those circumstances.

ZappaFan

13-11-2007, 19:31

STINGER

13-11-2007, 20:53

Wierd how before the Packers game a lot of the talking heads were really starting to harp on Peterson's upright running style leaving him vulnerable to injury, and the very next game *poof* he goes down.

Hum, I missed them talking about that, I never thought about it as an injury thing it is alot like Eric Dickerson whom never really had any injury issues that I recall.

STINGER

13-11-2007, 23:44

Hum, I missed them talking about that, I never thought about it as an injury thing it is alot like Eric Dickerson whom never really had any injury issues that I recall.

PS, just heard Freeny is out for the year.

ReiperXHC

14-11-2007, 05:40

Yes, the Colts did manage to almost win that game. But a loss is a loss, and all that jazz really doesn't matter at the end of the day. Had it not been for all the turnovers Indy would have won.

You don't even really ever see BAD offenses throw that many interceptions. Manning just had a bad day. A bad bad day. Where's everybody chanting for HIS backup QB like Chicago did to Rex Grossman? (lol ok I'm overstepping on that one.)

But for real. Manning and his offense (depleted or not) lost that game for the colts. Granted they could have one if the kick at the end was made, but had it not been for all the turnovers they wouldn't have been in that position to begin with.

As for Adrian Peterson, the injury isn't season ending or anything, he'll be back out there in 2 or 3 weeks (so say the headlines.) Thank God for that.

I hate the Vikings, but I would hate even worse to see somebody with so much potential go down like that. I really hope he can stick around for at least 6 or 7 seasons. Even though it's a rival team (bitter one at that) I really have to give that kid props and I enjoy watching him play. (A little less against the Bears heh)

Anyways, better luck to the Colts next week. I'd really like to see them take down the Pats in the post season again ;-)

-Reip

sanguillen

14-11-2007, 08:24

Last I heard was that Peterson tore his LCL and is out 2-3 weeks, like Reiper said. Keep in mind though, that the Vikings are basically out of the running for the playoffs. That being said, they should be cautious about bringing AD back too soon.

As for Canton, remember this - AD was injury prone in college, and has already gotten injured in Year 1. He's a super talent, but his proneness to injury should be a cause for concern amongst Viking fans, especially considering how impotent their passing game is.

STINGER

14-11-2007, 15:47

Look at Fred Taylor he just hit 10k yards and has never made the Pro Bowl. Why? Injuries, in his IIRC 10 yr career he has only played a full season like (2) times. The Canton RBs complete seasons and many of them and make many probowls.

Freeny out for the year and in steps Simion Rice. Not sure Rice has what it takes to draw double teams anymore, but it should be a better replacement than whats on the bench.

ZappaFan

14-11-2007, 17:46

Freeny out for the year and in steps Simion Rice. Not sure Rice has what it takes to draw double teams anymore, but it should be a better replacement than whats on the bench.

I think Rice will come in and make an impact. He was a salary casualty in Tampa. Lot of people here weren't very happy the Bucs let him get away but he made too much money to keep.

Tai.

15-11-2007, 01:55

True, but he doesn't have speed to match Freeney's and that's the primary thing that drives offenses wild.

The Patriots O-Line which people have raved about for years was pulling it's hair out trying to keep up with Freeney, I mean Matt Light had to repeatedly cheap shot him to even come close to keeping up.

Rice is solid, but I definitely feel like the Colts will lose a lot of the pressure options with Freeney out.

Personally, I'm not too unhappy about it as a Pats Fan, but I gotta admit, he's a hell of a rusher and it is a shame to see him not playing

STINGER

15-11-2007, 18:07

If he can draw the doubles we wtill have plenty of speed from the other side to still force teams to get rid of the ball fast coming from Mathis. But if he cant consistantly force them to double him then there will be problems as our rokkie tackles cant draw doubles so that will let them double Mathis.

Bugger McFarland went on IR in the preseason and that hurt as he drew doubles and those went to Freeny, and now they need to come to Rice. Colts dont blitz much.

STINGER

19-12-2007, 15:44

How about those Lions....Lost that big turnover ratio and it was over. They played some teams tuff, still step in the right direction but still a way to go.

Steelers looking questionable but Ravens are smokin. Packers have a running game making them a BIG threat now. Giants are looking iffy also

Ravens are a sleeper to upset someone leaving a Packers vs Cowboys and Colts vs Pats Championships barring any major issues. Not sure how much Romos injury will hurt him down the road though.

So, was it Petersen or was it the Viks O-line? Taylor seemed to be very good with him out so obviously that line has a great deal to do with it. Viks still with a chance for the playoffs, and with a good ground game and a great ground game D they could upset someone if they get a chance.

Detroits Defense sort of blows, their rush D isnt bad but they have basically played bad teams. The D has been making big plays, but they arent making "stops". Hell Philly went for 56 against them and cant break 20 vs anyone else.

Hey, they are competing this year and its good to see, but they have "smoke and mirriors" working for them on both sides of the ball and a very week schedule thus far. They could very easily finish up with only (2) more wins unless that Defense keeps finding ways to pull out tons of take aways, they are #1 in take aways with 26 (closest at 18) and still giving up more points that all but like 4 teams in the league.

NFC blows guys........unfortunately it has for a long time and I still feel the best chance at the NFC winning a Super Bowl is 2-3 years away! Steelers/Colts/Pats are easily top 3. If Cleavland cant make the playoffs I would easily rank them as most improved due to schedule over even a 12-4 Lions.

ZappaFan

19-12-2007, 15:48

Lions... a Tale of Two Seasons (in one).

come back zinc

19-12-2007, 16:35

Chargers 8.5 BRONCOS

I'm down to my last pick and can't decide. Monday night, who do you figure... Denver is @ home.

ZappaFan

19-12-2007, 17:14

Chargers 8.5 BRONCOS

I'm down to my last pick and can't decide. Monday night, who do you figure... Denver is @ home.

That's a tough one because SD is playing so well right now... but it's in COLD BRRRR Denver, hell they might be playing in SNOW... not much snow in San Diego... I'd be tempted to take the Broncos & the points. I think SD will probably win, but not by much due to the elements... either that or something completely different :prop:

come back zinc

19-12-2007, 17:18

That's what I figure, 7 points at most. Denver it is.

STINGER

19-12-2007, 18:41

Denver has 22nd rank D, SD blew them out 41-3 in the first meeting IIRC. SD has a team built to play in the cold they rely on short passes and rushing. Denver is 29th vs the rush allowing 4.5/carry and 140/game! SD isnt great against the pass but they are "big play" vs the pass, Cromartie has 10 interceptions.

Only thing is SD has clinched a playoff spot just not a seed and since Indy and the Pats have the byes it doesnt matter much after that if you are a division winner you get home field over wild cards IIRC, so they may rest LT, but that doesnt mean much, read this....

Chargers rushing attack vs. Broncos rush defense. Tomlinson is just 6 yards behind the Steelers' Willie Parker for the NFL rushing lead. But don't expect to see much of Tomlinson if the Chargers get a big lead against the Broncos, who rank 29th against the run. Michael Turner rushed for 147 yards against the Broncos in the last game. If Turner can't play because of his injury, look for Sproles to get a chance to build on his career best from last week.

Broncos blow vs the run.......

Rivers is also 3-0 vs Denver as a starter.

Lt will go 100+ and 2 TDs and Sprooles will finish it off with around 100 yds. Merriman and CO will T-off on Cutler once they get a lead.

Baring some sick weather that could change everything......

Rivers has a QB rating of 107 vs Denver......

Gates may be limited or out though, but they may not need him.

ZappaFan

19-12-2007, 19:32

Baring some sick weather that could change everything......

Denver Sunday forcast: Mix of sun and clouds. Highs in the low 40s and lows in the upper 20s.

Hmmmm, that's not bad, not even below freezing, weather probably won't be a factor... shouldn't deter the SD offense much at all if that pans out.

come back zinc

19-12-2007, 20:11

Chargers it is. Total points? hehe

Also. It's a Monday night game :shocked:

STINGER

19-12-2007, 23:19

28-17 but could easily be a blow out and be more like the 41-3 game...Im looking more towards a quick lead but not enuff to sit LT so he will play thru the 3rd and be pulled when its about 21-7.

Um, this game lists @ SD on NFL.com 16 Mon 12/24 @San Diego 8:00 PM ET

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?season=2007&week=REG16&game_id=29434

You might just keep an eye on this one and be informed, if Gates sits out, he has some back issues, and if they decide and anounce LT might play less than normal it could change things, but frankly Denver blows, Cutler isnt bad but he has banged up people and the running game hasnt been strong, its just been big play with Selvin Young, he either gets nothing or breaks em big.

Denver did this vs Huston

Rushing ATT YDS TD LG
S. Young 8 34 0 20
T. Henry 10 27 0 9

Henry is playing, but with those numbers it doesnt look like he is 100%, and if SD can get a lead Denver will have to go to the air.

come back zinc

19-12-2007, 23:24

You're right. It is in SD. Meh, either way I picked the Chargers a couple hours ago. Thanks for the help guys.

illestkhmai

20-12-2007, 00:25

love them chargers :smiley:.

Dahkar

20-12-2007, 06:15

Valar-Wrath

20-12-2007, 20:51

It's reported that the swelling with Romos thumb went down, which is a big plus. Also we may have glenn back next game as well. The rest of the injuries we suffered on sunday aren't very serious, so we have 3/ out 1 game, then we have Mr. Williams out because of his tackle. All in all I still think we have a very good chance at homefield advantage, especially if Romo is doing better.

I say let Glenn rest until the playoffs.

Cowboys finish off the season with Carolina and Washington, two struggling teams.

As long as Romo gets his head in the game, instead of Jessica's hotel room, the 'Boys should be meeting up with Green Bay in Dallas for a chance at the Super Bowl.

Dahkar

21-12-2007, 04:23

I say let Glenn rest until the playoffs.

Cowboys finish off the season with Carolina and Washington, two struggling teams.

As long as Romo gets his head in the game, instead of Jessica's hotel room, the 'Boys should be meeting up with Green Bay in Dallas for a chance at the Super Bowl.

Jessica isn't the problem, I think it's dumb to pretend she is. Even if she is.... it's jessica simpson, enough said.

I think glenn should rest one more game, then come back for the last game in order to get back in the rhthym so to speak.

STINGER

21-12-2007, 20:36

Glenn isnt going to change anything, they are making a mistake trying to bring him back this year. He wont be 100% and its very possible he could be done after one play and risk the rest of his career.

Valar-Wrath

21-12-2007, 21:56

Glenn isnt going to change anything

I stopped reading after this.

STINGER

21-12-2007, 22:52

I stopped reading after this.

Its always good to ignore the truth....

Valar-Wrath

21-12-2007, 23:01

Its always good to ignore the truth....

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I'll ask even though your answer is going to be way off.

How EXACTLY is a big play receiver like Terry Glenn not going to "change anything"?

STINGER

26-12-2007, 15:43

He isnt young, he isnt 100% and he isnt in game shape.......let alone this key word....TIMING.

There is a reason they have pre-season in this game and it isnt just to take your money and not play the game to win by sitting all the best players for 2-3 quarters of each game.

Glenn hasnt been a "tough" player at any time in his career, he has had several injuries and there is no better time to get injured again than not being......young, game shape, have no timing and trying to rush back from an injury!

Simple fact is they dont "need" him, Crayton has done a nice job and Dallas's weakness isnt on the offensive side although recent injuries may be an issue, but at the same time, nobody is un-hurt at this time of the year and Owens has played on worse injuries than this one so I dont expect to see anything but good out of Owens. Unlike Glenn, Owens is extremely tough and has timing and is in game shape......hell he is in incredible shape.

STINGER

26-12-2007, 15:49

That's what I figure, 7 points at most. Denver it is.

Sorry I blew the score but at least you didnt go Denver! That could of easily been another 4x-x game if SD would of went after it.

Valar-Wrath

26-12-2007, 21:13

Simple fact is they dont "need" him, Crayton has done a nice job and Dallas's weakness isnt on the offensive side although recent injuries may be an issue, but at the same time, nobody is un-hurt at this time of the year and Owens has played on worse injuries than this one so I dont expect to see anything but good out of Owens. Unlike Glenn, Owens is extremely tough and has timing and is in game shape......hell he is in incredible shape.

Dallas not needing Glenn and Glenn not changing anything are completely different. They WILL need him if they get to the Superbowl.

Saying Terry Glenn coming back from an injury isn't going to change anything is like saying the same thing about Reggie Wayne for Indianapolis last year or Wes Welker for the Pats this year. They didn't necessarily need them but they sure as hell made an impact.

And about Dallas' weakness not being on the offensive side of the ball...it sure has the last couple games while the defense has been dominant. It's not like Terry Glenn is going to make the offense any worse.

STINGER

26-12-2007, 23:51

I would fault the play calling from Dallas in the Philly game before I would fault the offense itself, there should of been no reason McNabb threw 41 passes and Romo throwing 36 especially continuing that after he obviously hurt his hand.

A 10-6 game and Dallas ran the ball 15 pathetic attempts and 2 were Romo...

Carolina...42 passes when they knew Romo wasnt 100% and Barber gets 110 on 22 touches....lol They never trailed in the game and were dominate while running.

Its not the offense "players" that are causing the problems, I think they might actually be getting calls like that commercial...... "slot 15 far LAAAAAAAAAA" or whatever it was! ;)

The Boys got 400+ yards vs Carolina, that isnt an offensive struggle by the numbers.

Cowboys at best will be the Super Bowl loosers they dont have enuff to take down the Pats nor the Colts and I dont think they can stop LT if something strange happens and they make it. Cowboys biggest weakness are the Colts and Pats biggest strenghts. It also wont be a walk in the park trying to beat the Packers a second time especially with a running game that they finally believe in.

Glenn doesnt "improve" the team he just replaces someone that is already doing a fine job and if he wasnt Owens wouldnt have the season he has had.

Dont forget the NFC stinks.....I would Pick the Panthers over anyone in the NFC barring a "game of their lives" from Favre or Romo.

BTW.....any "reasonably talented" 2nd wideout is all that is needed as a #2. Reggies Wayne is great, but even he cant do well without a reasonable threat on the other side........thus why they lost to the Pats when Gonz got hurt in the first half and they had to go to Aaron MoreDROPS and NoSPEED.

I would take Crayton who has been there all year before I took anyone. All it takes is ONE mistake to loose a game. One misscommunication or missread and its over.

Valar-Wrath

27-12-2007, 04:51

Dont forget the NFC stinks.....I would Pick the Panthers over anyone in the NFC barring a "game of their lives" from Favre or Romo.

LOL

BTW.....any "reasonably talented" 2nd wideout is all that is needed as a #2. Reggies Wayne is great, but even he cant do well without a reasonable threat on the other side

Exactly why Glenn is such an asset alongside Owens.

If I'm interpretting what you're saying correctly, you think Glenn shouldn't start in the playoffs with Crayton at the number 3 slot, and I have no idea why. Glenn is a more explosive, talented, and experienced receiver and Crayton will still be in there on spread plays. Glenn will be able to take advantage of single coverage when they're doubling Owens better than anyone else on the Cowboy's roster.

STINGER

27-12-2007, 17:09

AH CRAP.....just realized why you laughed, I said Panthers and meant Jaguars.

If anything Glenn should come in as #3, he wont have the timing or be in shape to run that many plays and take the hits.

Playoff football....well, playoff anything is a whole different thing than the regular season.

1 mistake like doing a post instead of a corner route = interception and potentially a game turning event that could be the end. There is such a thing as timing among QB and Receivers and if you dont have it, it doesnt matter how good they are.

Hell, I am concerned with Harrison for the Colts and I know that he has been 80-90% for most of this time and still practicing on timing and keeping in shape the whole time, but still...the game is the game, not practice.

I said...Glenn shouldnt play and that is exactly what I mean. If he does and he does more than 10-15 plays aka a #3 I will be shocked, and if he doesnt make a couple mistakes I will be shocked. Glenn is a nice deep threat but he has never been known as a great route runner and he is a china doll playing among bulls and he gets broken alot.

They sound worried about Owens, but that man wil be ready to play. I cant stand him as a "look at me" guy, but when he is happy he is one hell of a competitor and one tuff SOB.

You have two things working when you bring Glenn back. You bring in a guy that hasnt played for a long time and hope he is sharp and then you take a guy that has been pretty sharp and playing alot and diminish his role by taking him from #2 to #3. Glenn at 90% is easily the best option at #3 they have, but at 90% I would take Crayton at #2.

Glenn practiced on a limited basis last week, and coach Wade Phillips said he likely will see some playing time in Sunday's season finale at Washington.

"I don't know that it'll be a maximum number - it won't be a full game," Phillips said on Monday of Glenn's possible role. "I'd like to get him playing, get him back into the rhythm of it, catch some passes. ... If he wants to start, he'll start.

Even they know he wont have his timing until he has played games. Still practicing "limited"? You really think he is ready for full speed and #2 after not playing at all this year?

We will see what happens against the Skins. Arent the Skins still in the hunt for the last wild card? They wont be out there love tapping anyone if they are.