War Cry Pairs: Spirit/Vipermagi vs Enigma/Wizspikes

[JuniorHigh]

Which of these combinations would be the best?

If I go with the Spirit set up, it'd be like this:

Head: ? (Don't really know... circlet with +3 Warcries and mana with psapphires?)
Armor: Psapphired Skin of the Vipermagi
Weapons: Dual Spirit Broad Swords
Belt: Arachnid Mesh
Amulet: +3 Warcries + Mana amulet
Rings: Dual SoJ
Gloves: Frostburn
Boots: Silkweaves

Switch: Spellsteel for Decrepify charges to handle PIs.

Pros:
- 220 mana from swords.
- +105% FCR which is ideal.
- +11 skills without counting helmet
- A lot of mana to use with BO

Cons:
- No teleport
- Decrepify lasts 5 seconds and might not break the immunity
- More or less resistances

The Enigma/Wizspike set up:

Head: ?
Armor: Enigma MP or AP
Weapons: Dual Wizspike with Turquoise Jewels on them
Belt: Arachnid Mesh
Amulet: +3 Warcries 10% FCR Ammy
Rings: Dual SoJ
Gloves: Frostburn
Boots: Waterwalks / Cow King's boots

Switch: Eth Lacerator and Blackoak Shield Luna

Pros:
- Crazy resistances
- Amplify damage doubles my damage output
- Teleport and throwing weapons woo
- Easy to achieve +105% FCR

Cons:
- Most of the mana is Mana per Level or Increase Mana %, which isn't affected by BO.
- More expensive
- Needs a higher level



So, what's your call?

[lendial]

is this pvm or pvp?

* head should be +2 barb/20fcr/str dex life mana 2 socket or +3warcries/+3bo/+3 warcry blue barb helm both are rather expensive.

*enigma wins due to mobility and massive str+.

[JuniorHigh]

PVM mostly. PVP... I think something with Hotos would be more in line.

Note, even if Nigma has mobility, the massive str+ is not actually needed.

[yuqing]

PVM mostly. PVP... I think something with Hotos would be more in line.

Note, even if Nigma has mobility, the massive str+ is not actually needed.
I disagree, Enigma's massive strength allows you to have massive life. As a warcry barb with a high level bo, the more vita you have, the better.

[nicro tower]

wizzys own spirit, use +3WC daggers on switch and use wizzys to tele/spam wcs, your merc should be the one killing most stuff, with you chipping away at its life gradually

[JuniorHigh]

I disagree, Enigma's massive strength allows you to have massive life. As a warcry barb with a high level bo, the more vita you have, the better.

Currently, with the Spirit gear, I haven't spent a single point into anything but Vitality. 30 Str from Anni and Torch, 6 from a charm. Not any more needed.


The Nigma build seems to be the top one, but will I be able to hold a high level BO with it?

[lendial]

well, enigma gives +2 to all skills which will help with your bo.....

and you can just use dual + 3 wc sticks on weapon switch.

[JuniorHigh]

The level of the BO itself is not the subject, the subject is the lack of +Mana as opposed to +Mana% or +Mana/Level.

[lendial]

hm, spam mana pots in conjunction with an insight polearm merc.

i never cared or prioritized much for +mana in any form either in pvp or pvm, just spam mana pots.

you could also do enigma+2x spirit and not lose precious +mana. it looks like you are going for 105 and not 200 build anyways.

[double]

quick question? base res is 75 correct? doesnt he need +max resist stuff to increase his res past 75?I may be incorrect,but my zon has 95 totalres on gear but shows 75 .however i dont know all the stats of his gear as i dont use any of what he mentioned

[JuniorHigh]

I don't see why I should get any of my resists past 75 with about 5k health. I stand IN FRONT of Diablo's Lazer Beamz and they don't really hurt.

you could also do enigma+2x spirit and not lose precious +mana. it looks like you are going for 105 and not 200 build anyways.

So 60%-70% FCR from Spirit, 20% FCR from Arachnid, 10% FCR from Amulet... I'd have to use a 20% FCR Circlet or lose Frostburns to Magefist which would be tragic.

[lendial]

or craft a 15% cast amulet.


lol diablo's lazer beam, its more like concentraited static electricity. though such an attack would be very cool.

[MysticDragon]

The safest spot to be when Diablo fires his "laser beam" is directly in front of him. :rolleyes:

[JuniorHigh]

or craft a 15% cast amulet.

That's possible, but besides requiring a little bit of luck, it'd require a great deal of it to craft 2x 35% Spirit Swords, specially with my very own lack of resources.



Anyhow, could the Enigma set up mantain a War Cry spammed for as long as it wanted? If that = 1, then win.

[lendial]

spirit runes arent that expensive and 4sockt broads/crystals/longs drop all the time.

theres no way to spam it infinately w.o saccing vital life/res/dmg/fcr. insight+manapot is your best bet.

[MeAmNoBoDy]

I'd say enigma setup is better in every aspect except fhr (which I have not noticed much of a need for since everything is always stunned). My current 90 cry barb can spam wc without losing mana (granted his merc is alive, but even without the merc, he has enough mana that you don't need to pot often). With his merc, he regens fast enough that mana burners can't stop him either. With BO (lvl 36) up, I have 4.4k+ life and 1.9k+ mana. All my stat pts are in vit with 100 unused pts because I don't need to use it =D Without enigma, he runs everything except the act bosses and can kill hell ancients with ease by stun locking them. Now if only I had an enigma, I can't imagine how much faster he would be at mf runs.

This is his setup:
dual wizspikes socketed with hel's
switch - 2x 3 warcry throwing spears which look kick *** =P
2ptopaz ik helm
+3 warcry ammy
3soc light plate with pammy/pemeralds for str/dex (I only use self found gear from this char or one of my others so I probably will never get an enigma)
10 fc ring with 70+ mana
raven
frosties
silkweaves
14/14 string of ears (no idea why this is on him but w/e)

inventory is full but the important stuff is this
13/18 anni (which I found 2 days ago so this actually isn't really needed)
15/11 barb torch
5x 54-55 mana grand charms
1x 17 mana small charm
bunch of other minor sc's with runwalk or fhr

merc (prayer merc for dual synergized heal) has
tal's mask
duriels shell
lvl 17 meditation insight in a eth thresher

[JuniorHigh]

Nice to know someone made it, Nobody!

I'd need to stock up on the mana charms then.

Also, one last quandry...

Do you really notice the difference between a level 17 and, say, a level 15 Meditation, or a 13?

[MeAmNoBoDy]

Yea, you'll notice the difference. I had a lvl 14 meditation one for a long time (for pretty much the entire time until I made my current one on like lvl 87) and I had a slow but noticable mana drain. It was also before I found all my mana charms so I could only hold my maxed out cry for maybe 40 seconds to a minute with something like 1.4k or 1.5k mana. So you'll have to pot against harder enemies.

[JuniorHigh]

If I can pull my Lacerator set up, it'd half killing speed so I'm hoping I get to that point.

[inanefedaykin]

2xWizzy + Enigma is the best setup.

[sirwhere]

I had something like

5 warcry delirium
3 warcries amulet
2x hoto
1 sojo, 1 fcr ring
Enigma
Arach
Frosties
Some warcries skillers
Anni, torch
Insight merc

In the end I had lev 52 warcry with top damage of ~1700. Teleport was for free, but full warcrying would empty the bulb in 5 secs.. lol. All it took was another 5 to recharge, though.

[JuniorHigh]

Seriously don't have that kind of cash, dude :P