NON smiter Uber killers?

[LordPaul]

I can get all the keys by myself, but my bone necro cant damage the ubers at all. I tried getting very high Crushing BLow on my merc too. With intelligent use of bone prison, decrep and clay golem he can take down the health of the mini-ubers easily.. but to a certain point. They just refuse to die.

So the thing is... I want to kill at least the mini ubers but I'd hate to make yet another smiter on this ladder. IS there any other char, or more original option to do iT?. I don't want to "own them" just to be able to kill them by myself.

Som of the chars I have on the making that I'd love to evolve in order to make them uber-murderers would be:

Auradin (Will the elemental dmg help? or just equip him to be a 1 point ubersmiter? He could negate Mephs aura easily btw)

Barb (Can a defensive barb with crazy def, res, life and shield get the speed to kill them with CB equipment and with Dracs as the only Life tap source?)

Wolf-druid (What about a feral-rage druid? it's the closest to a zealot. He should be the fastest non-paly option with good CB and better life. Maybe using rabies with tons of poison to cut their life regen...

It would be great if you can tell me what you think. Specially if any of you have allready achieved this without a smiter.

Cheers

[jakotaco]

some non-smiter builds that have been known to kill ubers on occasions:

kicksins
summon necros (life tap, urdars)
zealots
werewolves
bearsorcs (with dualdream and 4fpa attack)
strafers

[stephan]

Frenzy barbs are rather excellent too.

[Merick]

The important things to keep in mind are:

High AR
Decent physical damage to take advantage of life tap so you will live
Fast attack to dole out crushing blow

[GreatZeal]

if you have a normal whirlwind barb made throw on a Wolfhowl and EbotdZ and shapeshift into a werewolf it kills ubers easy if you use Dracs.

[Verashiden]

Fury Wolf. Nothing like a 7k life CB Monster to rip Ubers apart.

[jakotaco]

Frenzy barbs are rather excellent too.

:duh: how could I forget typing that one down...

[Jaquiezz]

some non-smiter builds that have been known to kill ubers on occasions:

bearsorcs (with dualdream and 4fpa attack)


Just a note, bearsorc's have a 5 frame attack, the only way for them to get a 4 frame attack is by using a Chu-Ko-Nu.

Casters generally aren't the best for the job, although they can do it. I would go with a fast melee char - zealer, fury, kicker, who can whip out CB fast, and decent damage as well. I personally believe a kicker is simply the best Uber char in the game- they have the fastest attack (disregarding the bearsin), are very flexible with equip, and get huge res stack from fade alone. They can use relatively cheap gear and don't even need a single hr to own uber trist.

A boner is probably one of the worst chars to uber with, they just can't do the massive damage other chars can in any where near the same amount of time. I find boners to only be successful in PvP, the sorta suck PvM IMHO.

[EpicDevia]

hi,

werebears can do it too :)
i know this. i saw this. i've done this :)

[helvete]

I find boners to only be successful in PvP, the sorta suck PvM IMHO.

Is it only me who find this a little disturbing? :evil:

[LordPaul]

thanx to all for your comments.

I've finally decided to walk the werewolf path. What equipment do you suggest?

I was thinking:
Armor: CoH (Res; some dmg reduction)
Helm: 15ias Willhelms (CB, and more CB)
Boots: Gores(CB)
Shield: Sanctuary vs meph, Um'd stormshield vs the rest?
Rings/amy:Dual ravenfrost + metalgrid?
Belt: no clue
Gloves: Draculs (mandatory)
Weapon:.... what weapon?

I will make a grief for him someday, as he is fury/rabies and it suits both roles nicely.. but is it a good choice vs ubers? Or maybe a Beast with the fanat aura would work better... what do you think?

[frums]

beast is a big nono on a wolf
an upped shaeled ribcracker should work pretty good, if you prebuff with fade (treachery) res shouldnt be a problem, and thats another 50%cb right there
and maybe tgod as belt, not sure on that

search for ribcracker fury guide for ubers in the druid forum, theres a guide there

[Merick]

For the amulet: Rising sun is extremely useful in uber trist. Metalgrid isn't bad as you'll need lots of AR. Also consider highlord's to meet IAS BPs.
Forget about gores, you only need CB. Use goblin toe.

[JME]

For the amulet: Rising sun is extremely useful in uber trist. Metalgrid isn't bad as you'll need lots of AR. Also consider highlord's to meet IAS BPs.
Forget about gores, you only need CB. Use goblin toe.

For a wolf, only on-weapon ias matters. The DS and LR on highlords may still help though. The other amulet options were good considering on what he may need (fire resists, AR, etc).

For the weapon, I'd got with an upped shaeled (or 40/15) ribcracker.

[helvete]

Socketing the ribcracker with a shael reaches another breakpoint. 15%ias will not, so a 40%/15IAS is a waste. But you may have meant 40ED 15max?

[JME]

Socketing the ribcracker with a shael reaches another breakpoint. 15%ias will not, so a 40%/15IAS is a waste. But you may have meant 40ED 15max?

Both should reach the 8/5/5/5 breakpoint according to the wereform calculator and the fury wolf uber killer guide, as long as you have a somewhat decent level werewolf skill. For a non-upped ribcracker any level werewolf will work.

Full Fury Attack Breakpoints 55-71, 63-71
Frames % WIAS
15/9/9/9/9 0 %
14/8/8/8/8 1 %
13/8/8/8/8 7 %
12/7/7/7/7 13 %
11/7/7/7/7 15 %
10/6/6/6/6 22 %
9/6/6/6/6 31 %
9/5/5/5/5 42 %
8/5/5/5/5 55 %
7/4/4/4/4 71 %
6/4/4/4/4 90 %
5/4/4/4/4 113 %
4/3/3/3/3 143 %
3/2/2/2/2 241 %
2/2/2/2/2 326 %
1/1/1/1/1 467 %

A shael would put you at 70% and a 40/15 would put you at 65%, but either way you will be on the same breakpoint. As long as the werewolf skill is between levels 2 and level 50, the 8/5/5/5/5 breakpoint will be 55% and the 7/4/4/4/4 will be unattainable with a ribcracker at 71%. (In case you were wondering if WW is level 1 one then the 8/5 and 7/4 breakpoints would be at 63% and 71% respectively, and the ias jewel or shael would still give the same result.)

If upped, I believe the weapon speed slows down a bit since a stalagmite is slower than a quarterstaff. Then the level of werewolf will actually make a bit more of a difference.

At level 1:
9/6/6/6/6 65 %
9/5/5/5/5 78 %
8/5/5/5/5 81 %

Both the ias jewel and shael setup would hit 9/6/6/6/6 but none would hit the 9/5 or 8/5 bp.

At level 2:
9/5/5/5/5 65 %
8/5/5/5/5 68 %

At this level the ias jewel would be at 9/5 and the shael would be at 8/5.

At level 3:
9/6/6/6/6 52 %
8/5/5/5/5 65 %
7/5/5/5/5 81 %

At level 4:
9/6/6/6/6 52 %
8/5/5/5/5 65 %
7/4/4/4/4 81 %

At level 5:
9/5/5/5/5 54 %
8/5/5/5/5 65 %
7/4/4/4/4 81 %

At level 6-50:
9/5/5/5/5 52 %
8/5/5/5/5 65 %
7/4/4/4/4 81 %

In other words, for werewolf levels 3-50 fury will be at 8/5/5/5/5 with a shael or a 40/15 since 65% WIAS or 70% WIAS would land them at the same breakpoint. In fact, werewolf level 2 is the only one which would have any discrepancy between the jewel and the rune. Almost everyone has at least a level 3 werewolf skill though, if they are making one.

I used this (http://home.comcast.net/~thedragoon/wereformadvanced.html) for my calculations.

This (http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=517606) guide and Q&A after seems to confirm what I found. Granted, I was going from memory beforehand so I wanted to look it up just to make sure I hadn't made a mistake. As far as I can tell, it was fairly sound advice. If I had to pick I'd go for the 40/15.

EDIT: On a side note, if you like to use feral rage a bit for single targets then regardless of whether or not you used an ias jewel or a shael you're going to be at 6 frames with an upped or non-upped ribcracker.

[helvete]

In that case, I must have confused this with another build, possibly WW barb.