Does Upgrading Duped Runes Make Them Legit?

[MaStAViC]

Hi, Everyone,
I am not a fan of duped items, and although I have high runes which most likely were duped, it is an unfortunate choice that I have to use them either as currency or to create runeword items.

However, if I were to upgrade two duped high runes, would it make the new rune legit? For example, two BER runes and a flawless sapphire transmuted in the Horadric Cube will give me a JAH rune. Would the JAH rune be legit once it is transmuted, even if it were made by two duped BER runes? By legit, I mean by Blizzard's Rust Storm standards. If a full Rust Storm, which "cleanses" duped items and make them disappear, were to take place, would the newly-upgraded JAH rune still remain? I took a five year hiatus from Diablo and returned this ladder season, so I have never experienced Rust Storm before. When I left in 1.09, high runes were very uncommon and weren't widely duped yet.

I am asking this because if I get rich enough and have a lot of high runes, I am planning to transmute and upgrade them so that they can actually be (more) legit, as I do not like duped items.

Thank you,
Victor Ly
*mastavicx and *mastavic

[IntelligentX]

I have read post about trial of upgrading duped runes, and upgraded runes will still poof, so I assume the answer is negative.

[Romasm]

I trade a hoz last ladder and got Vex for it. But when the guy was leaving the game he oncemore opened the tradewindow (etc, im sure u guys know how they perm)

So i quickly cubed the vex with another vex as i was 99%sure it was going to poof on me soon. Since then it hasent disappeard

But im not 100% positive, im sure someone else knows this for sure

[MaStAViC]

I trade a hoz last ladder and got Vex for it. But when the guy was leaving the game he oncemore opened the tradewindow (etc, im sure u guys know how they perm)

So i quickly cubed the vex with another vex as i was 99%sure it was going to poof on me soon. Since then it hasent disappeard

But im not 100% positive, im sure someone else knows this for sure
Some of the high runes I have traded for could sit in my inventory for weeks without disappearing, and then disappear one day unnoticed, so I am not sure if your one experience would fully apply. In any case, I appreciate your reply as you share your experience.

I have read post about trial of upgrading duped runes, and upgraded runes will still poof, so I assume the answer is negative.
Ah, I see. Can anyone confirm this?

Thanks,
Victor Ly

[KremBanan]

Does Upgrading Duped Runes Make Them Legit?


NO! It most certainly not make it legit!

It will make it 'permed' or 'cubed' as some say aka not-poofable in normal circumstances, but its a huge gap between permed/cubed vs legit.

[MaStAViC]

NO! It most certainly not make it legit!

It will make it 'permed' or 'cubed' as some say aka not-poofable in normal circumstances, but its a huge gap between permed/cubed vs legit.
Oh, I was not sure of which term to use, so I went with legit as I thought it would be a more general term. I did, however, try to clarify by stating, "By legit, I mean by Blizzard's Rust Storm standards," as opposed to just the term itself, if that makes sense.

Thank you,
Victor Ly

[KremBanan]

A full ruststorm will wipe out all dupes, that includes 'permed' and 'cubed' dupies.

so that they can actually be (more) legit, as I do not like duped items.

They will never be 'more' legit, its either legit or its not. Btw, if you dont like dupies, why you wanna deal with them?

[Dis Skillz]

Duped runes are always duped runes no matter if you cube them or not. They can NEVER become legit. It may make it last a bit longer (I don't really know many details about that), but it is a far cry from being a legit rune.

Can counterfeit dollar bills become legit? Thats one way I think about it.

[MaStAViC]

Duped runes are always duped runes no matter if you cube them or not. They can NEVER become legit. It may make it last a bit longer (I don't really know many details about that), but it is a far cry from being a legit rune.

Can counterfeit dollar bills become legit? Thats one way I think about it.
Again, by legit, I mean by Blizzard's Rust Storm standards.

They will never be 'more' legit, its either legit or its not. Btw, if you dont like dupies, why you wanna deal with them?
Because it seems like the entire Battle.net runs on high runes as the main currency, and I would say virtually all of the higher end builds posted in this forum requires the use of high runes in one way or another. Even the trade forums allow high runes to be traded, though it supposedly does not allow the trading of any duped items.

If there were honorable communities those I used to be part of, like 76Legit, Clan Honor, and Clan Gimmeitam still around, I would dupe all my high runes and join those communities in a heartbeat.

I understand your point of view, but it is difficult to avoid duped items at all costs at this point due to how widely available they are on Battle.net. I remember back in 1.09 when I had more wealth, I used to buy duped items with my legit items so that I could sell them to Charsi and other non-player characters so that I could help cut down on duped items.

A full ruststorm will wipe out all dupes, that includes 'permed' and 'cubed' dupies.
Thank you. It looks like I've found my answer, so please consider this thread closed.

Thank you,
Victor Ly

[anilrobo]

Okay, I'm new to this duping and perming thingie, but here's what I collect from this thread so far:

1. There is a debate as to whether cubing the duped runes makes them "legit" or even "perm". My question is: If I use my legit rune with another duped one in the cube and combine them, will the resulting rune still vanish when blizzard wipes the dupes?

2. If I get a rune from somebody in trade, and I make a runeword out of that instantly, in the same game, will the rune vanish from the socketed item when blizzard wipes the dupes?

I apologize if I sound too ignorant but I'm trying to learn! :smiley:

[KremBanan]

Because it seems like the entire Battle.net runs on high runes as the main currency
But that doesnt mean you have to :smiley:
and I would say virtually all of the higher end builds posted in this forum requires the use of high runes in one way or another.
If you want to make a Amazon or Sorc, I would be glad to assist you in how to make a high-end char without the use of dupies.
Even the trade forums allow high runes to be traded, though it supposedly does not allow the trading of any duped items.

This is a matter that has been discussed a few times here, and Im on the oppinion that either you allow all dupes or you ban all dupes.
If there were honorable communities those I used to be part of, like 76Legit, Clan Honor, and Clan Gimmeitam still around, I would dupe all my high runes and join those communities in a heartbeat.

http://www.baronsbazaar.invisionzone.com/
Only legit site left nowadays. Here you will find many builds that are high end, without the use of dupies.



1. My question is: If I use my legit rune with another duped one in the cube and combine them, will the resulting rune still vanish when blizzard wipes the dupes? Good question, not sure on this matter. But I would think it would vanish.

2. If I get a rune from somebody in trade, and I make a runeword out of that instantly, in the same game, will the rune vanish from the socketed item when blizzard wipes the dupes? Yes

I apologize if I sound too ignorant but I'm trying to learn! :smiley:

Answered in bolded text.

[MaStAViC]

Okay, I'm new to this duping and perming thingie, but here's what I collect from this thread so far:

1. There is a debate as to whether cubing the duped runes makes them "legit" or even "perm". My question is: If I use my legit rune with another duped one in the cube and combine them, will the resulting rune still vanish when blizzard wipes the dupes?
From the information I have gathered from the replies of this thread, my thought would be that the resulting rune would still vanish when a Rush Storm arrives.

2. If I get a rune from somebody in trade, and I make a runeword out of that instantly, in the same game, will the rune vanish from the socketed item when blizzard wipes the dupes?
At this point, no. If you put runes into an item, whether it is to create a runeword item or just to socket a regular item, the rune will stay (and so, the runeword will remain if it is a runeword item). However, if a full Rust Storm arrives, the runes will disappear (and the runeword item will no longer function).

I apologize if I sound too ignorant but I'm trying to learn! :smiley:
No need to apologize for asking questions as long as you have a good attitude about it and you are trying to learn!

Have a good day,
Victor Ly

[lendial]

i believe(with little proof behind it) that cubing 2 dupes will make the resulatant perm but FAR from legit. its very unlikely most people could reach a point when they have enough hr(hundreds worth) to do this.

you can also take precautions by muling your highroons away. i remember telling you this but for example if i had 2 ohms on one character and they both have different codes then they will never poof even though both were duped. if someone else in the game has 2 ohms, both of which match the rune code of your runes then one set will poof but perming will stop this. however if you have 2 runes of the same code on the same character then they will poof even if you temp perm.

rush storm will likely never happen again because blizz realizes they are powerless in the face of 17 year olds with nothing else to do but theory up new dupe methods.

i should also mention that duping a "legit" rune will make both resultant runes "unlegit" because there exists a duplicate item code and the chance to poof for BOTH.

i would not touch trading hrs on diabloii with a 19 foot ethereal cruel warp pike of quickness.

[emptystring]

Let's throw my 2 cents here. I haven't read the whole thread, but I'm interested in hacking in general and I have come on a post in one_other_forum which very professionaly explained that dupe checking has at least two components.
The first check is done every time a player leaves a game and there is a way
the detection to be fooled via trade screen. But there is second check - the infamous "rust storm" which runs very rarely and checks I gues every item with every item (just imagine how calculation intensive that is) and then - poof.

If I'm not entirely correct, think like this: there must be serious reason a zod to be sold for several ists ...

[Zon2000]

Without getting into the "legit" discussion, I believe that cubing them will make them permanent as a new item code will most likely be generated.

Look at it this way: if they kept track of the codes from cubing, just going from vex to zod would require this many codes to be kept in just the zod rune itself:

+ 2 (to zod from cham)
+ 4 (to cham from jah)
+ 8 (to jah from ber)
+ 16 (to ber from sur)
+ 32 (to sur from lo)
+ 64 (to lo from ohm)
+ 128 (to ohm from vex) = 254 rune item codes!

Let's just say for argument's sake that they only kept the item codes from the previous cube (that would be 2 then). In this case, if you cubed again, then that would make the resultant hr lose any trace of its duped hr "parent".

[KremBanan]

Just to make things clear: its not a discussion on 'legitness'. If it is duped , its duped. Not a discussion, just a fact.


And even if if they kept the code from the previous rune, it still wouldnt be legit. Just to clarify it, before anybody thinks otherwise.

[KingOLepers]

Can counterfeit dollar bills become legit? Thats one way I think about it.

If you have 5 counterfeit bills, you could just go somewhere and ask for a $5 bill.

That's sort of like cubing up! :grin:

[Merick]

There's only been one "full" ruststorm, at the beginning of 1.10, so it seems like a moot point.

[Ax2Grind]

Rust Storm... *Insert maniacal laugh track here*

I still have an Infinity and Pride still on my Templar (BH/C) mercenary and cursor. Though many disappeared before I used them, when I could've used them, I never entered another game with another character when I recorded them vanish, which means they were being removed through some other means than Storming or comparing. I've come to believe that Rust Storm is ongoing, but inconsistent, or it's being beaten by the dupers, or it's being fooled by something and Blizzard has just had enough of trying to keep up. Since I've used them in runewords they haven't disappeared, and the only non-forgable rune I've ever found is an Ohm, which - looking back on it as probably a mistake now - I traded for a decent Vex+Mal+Mal (he threw in another Mal I wasn't expecting, so he probably had the first legitimate Exile that season).

I agree 'legit' has a totally different meaning, so that shouldn't really be in question, but how long are you expecting the rune you trade for to last? If you don't trade for a rune you need in an item on the character you're trading on then you probably shouldn't make the trade as it's too risky to do such. As for me, I'm no longer trading in runes above Gul, relying to cube Guls to what I need. If you want to get into the 'the Gul could be just as duped' argument, be prepared to lose, but this isn't the proper thread for it.

Now, for trading in dupes, Stones and such compared to anything else, popularity means absolutely nothing. This isn't the right area, and I tried starting a thread in Trade Values about how a 'legit' community should act. It was roundly attacked under a false pretense, and the reason this forum refuses to do it is strictly because the people in charge of making that decision benefit the most from the entire process. So, rather than making accusations of corruption, I left the thread and never returned. Learn from my mistake: let that issue die and never bring it up again.

If you don't want to be associated with those runes, then demand that anyone offering one or more for your items find someone who wants it or them and arrange a three-way so you never have to dirty your hands. I really can't think of any other way, since it appears all the runewordables I'm stowing are undesired by the general trading community (probably because the 15ED ECBs and 15ED 3oS archons are duped, too), and those which are tend to be undervalued due to me refusing most elite runes.