T/V vs WW/Trap hybrid

[DaemonAkuma]

Okay, so i feel retarded for saying this, but I cannot kill this ww/trap hybrid.

I can't catch her with smite. She always WWs away and her traps just keep on a blasting. She camps in her traps and refuses to move; I have to attack her (pathetic imo). The traps do not hurt badly; tgods+17% wisp negated thema lot (need another wisp yet).

I'm sure I can kill her if I'm just patient and Foh her to death. However that is not viable in a pub game when 4 people do not like you.

Is there some strategy I'm missing? I'm not a bad dueler, but she is the first WW/Trap hybrid I've dueled and I don't think I should be having this much trouble.

I do 5.5K foh dmg and a generous smite w/ a grief. Of course with WB she can block smite as well as foh so thta's pretty nasty.

Advice? Or do I just need to get that other wisp and stalk her walk smiting?

[akumaxxyz]

if you got hf, charge around flash it exhuast the traps while doing it, when she freezes begin tele smite, you can out tank her traps with tgod/wsip. when the traps are gone,he will probably run and set another trap field, dont let him thats your best chance just go offensive like hell keep charging if you must, ww dont do much dmg if you got good psn resist

[RetroStar]

Note a large part of the WW damage is from open wound which you can't avoid. Chasing a ww is a bad idea.

[akumaxxyz]

Note a large part of the WW damage is from open wound which you can't avoid. Chasing a ww is a bad idea.

you sacrafice ar for ow which may never even hit vs high def palas.

charge is dangerous vs barb only. vs sins both are range 2,3if you use ba on smiter, i have done this alot sometimes you get a lucky charge chain and the sin is dead on the floor, and its not like you can continiously ww all the time, ww/trap is a very mana intensive build.

the point is to dont let the sin have any chance to lay another trap field if she just wws away then tele smite,just improvise, when you have her freeze and she cannot do anything but ww away the duel is basically yours

[nex]

The traps do not hurt badly; tgods+17% wisp negated thema lot (need another wisp yet).

Not trying to flame you, but I can't get this: you are wearing tgods and wisp and you need another wisp? :rolleyes:


I'm not a bad dueler

OK. :thumbsup:

[The Cow King]

Not trying to flame you, but I can't get this: you are wearing tgods and wisp and you need another wisp? :rolleyes:


Umm.. yeah?

[HappyAssassin]

If you completely absorb her traps you can smite vs. ww her pretty successfully using holy freeze/ telesmite. Desync charge her when she teleports away unless the player is smart and anticipates it often. You must avoid getting in trap lock while you try to smite her. If you come to her, you're playing her game, you need to play defensively until she gets near you with few traps around. Beware of good hybrids, some of them know that a smiter is looking for this oppertunity and hide a 4 stack at the back of their own screen and outside of your vision.

Another option is to play really defensive with FoH. It'll take a while because she has minion stack and claw block but you can dodge her traps and tele whirls if the player isn't good. Also keep in mind that if you negate her traps she'll probobly negate your FoH.

[DaemonAkuma]

Not trying to flame you, but I can't get this: you are wearing tgods and wisp and you need another wisp? :rolleyes:



OK. :thumbsup:

Thank yo ufor not contributing...at all. Please go waste your time elsewhere and spare me your criticisms and unneeded spam. PM me your account if you would like to duel and then you can be a jerk about it :smiley:

Like i have already said, this is first th etime I have dueld a good ww/hybrid. It's easy to look at what I have wrote and get all these condescending ideas in your head but that is not an accurate way to portray the situation since any and all of you well know just because a strategy works sometimes does not mean it will work all of the time since there are so many varaibles. [/endspam]

Anyways, thank you for those who were actually helpful.

[TienJe]

Okay, so i feel retarded for saying this, but I cannot kill this ww/trap hybrid.

I can't catch her with smite. She always WWs away and her traps just keep on a blasting. She camps in her traps and refuses to move; I have to attack her (pathetic imo). The traps do not hurt badly; tgods+17% wisp negated thema lot (need another wisp yet).

I'm sure I can kill her if I'm just patient and Foh her to death. However that is not viable in a pub game when 4 people do not like you.

Is there some strategy I'm missing? I'm not a bad dueler, but she is the first WW/Trap hybrid I've dueled and I don't think I should be having this much trouble.

I do 5.5K foh dmg and a generous smite w/ a grief. Of course with WB she can block smite as well as foh so thta's pretty nasty.

Advice? Or do I just need to get that other wisp and stalk her walk smiting?
make sure you negate her LS. once you do that, you can fight her as a 1-dimensional wwsin with your foh/smite/charge, which should give you the upper hand. However, if the traps continue to damage you, it puts pressure on you to attack, which gives the sin the advantage.

i think the most important thing to do is to desync. attack from all different sides, throwing foh (and the occasional tele smite/charge), and then backing up away from the traps. this will probably take a while, as you had mentioned, and while it won't be viable in pubs, it won't be good for the sin either, as camping in traps will make the sin prey to casters for the same reasons.

in a pub environment, i'd just take her not being able to kill you as a victory. pubbies are all about finding the duels/situations where you can win, and escaping from the ones where you cant. once you get into a 1v1 situation, then i'd start thinking about different ways to win, and long drawn-out battles will be a viable option.

[mephiztophelez]

with that kind of mass sorb (wisp + tgods), you shouldn't have any stress at all. thats enough to nerf out the hybrids entire skill point investment in traps (~70'ish+ skillpoints)

hell, akumaxxyz gives me one hell of a rough trot with just 85% lit res (points in res-lit, no sorb, no tap = gfg duelz).

practise thy telesmiting.

[Von Lazuli]

If a V/T put on that much absorb versus my Hybrid I would probably cry...

You can just negate the LS and then Smite them to death relatively easily using a mix of Charge and Tele-smite. To garuntee a win, stack very high defence, I find it is hard to maintain enough stack to negate FOH on my Hybrid unless I pretty much ignore AR. Jade Talon takes up a Fool's claw spot.

Laz

[RetroStar]

you sacrafice ar for ow which may never even hit vs high def palas.

charge is dangerous vs barb only. vs sins both are range 2,3if you use ba on smiter, i have done this alot sometimes you get a lucky charge chain and the sin is dead on the floor, and its not like you can continiously ww all the time, ww/trap is a very mana intensive build.

the point is to dont let the sin have any chance to lay another trap field if she just wws away then tele smite,just improvise, when you have her freeze and she cannot do anything but ww away the duel is basically yours

Not really, a lot of the OW comes from claw and glove, which do not give lots of AR. Unless you use a godly fools rare, in that case just use it offhand.

[akumaxxyz]

Not really, a lot of the OW comes from claw and glove, which do not give lots of AR. Unless you use a godly fools rare, in that case just use it offhand.

good defense smiters rarely gets hit by sins if any. its the trap+mb that kills only

[RetroStar]

good defense smiters rarely gets hit by sins if any. its the trap+mb that kills only

This is a T/V, they'll be happy if they get 10k+ defence.

[akumaxxyz]

This is a T/V, they'll be happy if they get 10k+ defence.

runeword call exile,getting defense on a paladin is very easy.

[RetroStar]

runeword call exile,getting defense on a paladin is very easy.

Then he will get 15k.

[Mythatic]

If there was stack resists but no sorb, I'd say its a pretty even match, depending on how good the opponents are.

T/v Smite shouldn't follow WWs, they should either foh, telesmite or just shift smite.


Tap on exile is Bm btw.

[Uncle_Mike]

Tap on exile is Bm btw.

Please let's not turn it into another gm/bm debate.

[Mythatic]

Please let's not turn it into another gm/bm debate.

Well lets just put it as in Leagues or private duels, were as tap is considered as bm.


Anyone has the freedom to put on any shield they want for smite.

[chileno]

Well lets just put it as in Leagues or private duels, were as tap is considered as bm.


Anyone has the freedom to put on any shield they want for smite.

It also only lasts an entire 5 seconds on a faded sin. The smiter would be lucky to get a hit in that amount of time.

[akumaxxyz]

5 seconds is plenty of time, if you use hf the sin is slow down. alot,once smiter uses exile any sin is pretty much dead given good tele smite skills