Enigma questions

[brunkke]

I read about the runewords and i really want to create a enigma armor for my skelly necro. Im aiming for about 140 in str. What armor type should i use for the enigma creation, and why. The possibilities are endless so i am having problems to choose.

[Gorny]

I read about the runewords and i really want to create a enigma armor for my skelly necro. Im aiming for about 140 in str. What armor type should i use for the enigma creation, and why. The possibilities are endless so i am having problems to choose.



use something that won't cost you an insane amount of strength to use. Maybe a Dusk Shroud or Wire Fleece type?

I'm going off the top of my head here, not sure on actual str. req. for those.

[brunkke]

If i find a item that req 130 str, will the req rise after applaying the runes to the armor, or will it still req 130 str?

[Dii Legend]

You will still need the base strength for what ever armor you choose. The most common used is a mage plate (55str) or dusk shroud (77str) for the lower strength requirements, while some like to use archon plates (103str). The strength requirement for a wire fleece is 111.

You can find the base strength requirements for other armors at The Arreat Summit (http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/weaponsandarmor.shtml).

[JME]

If i find a item that req 130 str, will the req rise after applaying the runes to the armor, or will it still req 130 str?

The strength requirement will not raise after you place the runes in the armor and enigma provides a big strength boost (.75 per level). As a result, if you're putting a lot into strength you're negating one of the major benfits of the armor.

To be honest, I'd suggest putting enigma in a mage plate (55 strength req iirc). If you only put in the minimum requirement you would have an additional 60 strength from enigma at level 80, bringing your total to 115. If you had an average 15 stat anni and torch you would have 145.

The only other decent choices for enigma would be an Archon Plate at 103 strength or a dusk shroud at 77 strength.

I guess the real question is, why do you want so much strength? Hoto weighs next to nothing (as well as wands like arm of king leoric), homunculus only needs 58 strength, and even marrowwalks only require 118 strength (which give a 10-20 st boost after equipped if you're interested). The only thing I can think of is stormshield, which would require 156 strength and would do you nowhere nearly as much good as homunc. Even then 55 base strength, 15 stat torch, 15 stat anni, 60 from enigma, and 15 from marrowwalks (easily equipped with all your other bonus) would give you 160 strength. Keep in mind that's only with mid-stat rolls on your gear. In other words, you could do with less base strength than that if you have better gear.

In short, if you don't have a torch or anni you can still wear a full setup of summoner gear with only 55 base strength to wear your enigma. If you do have those items, you can wear basically anything you want with little to no points in strenth.

[brunkke]

I am building a fishymancer (the guide can be found on the noob-section in this forum) and the auther there suggested to invest bout 130 in str. I have allready invested 130 and im lvl 50 at the moment. This is my first char i have created in d2. Did i waste all the statspoints now when i invested 130 allready into str?

[JME]

I am building a fishymancer (the guide can be found on the noob-section in this forum) and the auther there suggested to invest bout 130 in str. I have allready invested 130 and im lvl 50 at the moment. This is my first char i have created in d2. Did i waste all the statspoints now when i invested 130 allready into str?

According to the guide Here, I'll only provide a rough guideline, as you may need more or less points in certain stats depending on your gear. You will also notice that you don't really need stat points with this build, so it's not really a big deal if you waste a few.


Strength (Str) : Strength lets you wear equipment. How much you need depends strongly on available gear. I'd shoot for 115 after items ...or 156 if you want to use Stormshield.

*Parts bolded and/or italicized for emphasis. Do note that he gave a rough estimate of how much strength you'll want after gear. Your summoner will be fine either way but you definitely could have made better use of your stat points. This being your first character, I wouldn't worry about it so much.

[brunkke]

Thx alot guys! You have been of great help!

[krischan]

It depends on your other +str gear as well, like Annihilus and torch. I would use either a dusk shroud (str 77 needed) or a mage plate (55 needed), that way you will have the most options.

[brunkke]

What do you meen by options? More extra blue text on my armor or... Specify a little. Im new to this game so please understand that my questions are a little odd.

[Foolishpleazure]

Heres a good question...just out of curiosity,which armor would give you the highest def,if you made it into a Nigma.i know perf. AP is 1378 but,is there any armor that would make a higher def Nigma?

[prion]

a perfect sacred armor has 600 base defense.

[Foolishpleazure]

a perfect sacred armor has 600 base defense.



Ok,but what would the def. be AFTER making it into enigma?

[prion]

uh i forgot to add superior bonus, standby

ok perfect base, perfect superior, perfect roll will give you 1475

because enigma adds flat defense rather than percentage you don't get a huge bonus from an armor that slightly better.

Sacred armor requires 232 strength.

I wonder if one would get better total defense by using a perf AP and putting the 129 point difference into dex.

[krischan]

What do you meen by options? More extra blue text on my armor or... Specify a little. Im new to this game so please understand that my questions are a little odd.

I mean options with respect to further gear. If you need all your equipment slots for stuff to meet the str req of the armor, you would essentially waste its bonus to str.

[Foolishpleazure]

eh,if thats all the diffference is,I think sticking to AP would be better.Thought maybe the def. would be more.

[krischan]

That won't be a complete watse for a summoner because he would be able to wear Marrowwalks then, although their str bonus will be wasted then. However, that's normal because these boots have a rather high str req anyway.

[IntelligentX]

uh i forgot to add superior bonus, standby

ok perfect base, perfect superior, perfect roll will give you 1475

because enigma adds flat defense rather than percentage you don't get a huge bonus from an armor that slightly better.

Sacred armor requires 232 strength.

I wonder if one would get better total defense by using a perf AP and putting the 129 point difference into dex.

Isn't a perfect enhance defense sacred armor has 691 defense? (601 x 1.15)?
I think the maximum possible in this case should be 1466 instead. (691 + 775 = 1466).

[prion]

.......yeah