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Original thread: http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=599555
So a quick rundown of our rules; feel free to offer changes (and reasons why) to any of these, and we'll decide from there:
1) No charms! Everyone will keep 5x polearms in their inventory and show them in the trade window before a duel.
2) no maphack, chickenhack, anything that ends in 'hack' or is remotely like any of this.
3) You MAY flux (save+exit) if you're about to lose the duel. It's silly to let yourself die if you've clearly lost the duel, and are going to get your stuff back either way. Save and exit, you lose the duel, but you don't have to rebuild. Don't abuse this, don't flux really early in a duel just because you think you wont win, thats no fun for anyone.
4) Everyone gets 8 potions, or 2 rows on a belt. Again, show your potions before the duel if it's an issue, but we'll kind of go with the honor system here. Any sort of potion can be used.
5) Don't bring in high levels to the games, be it your own, or especially your friends, possible exceptions would be people who most everyone knows from the forums here. (that doesn't include jsp only folks, sorry)
6) No Mercs
7) No gear switches or prebuffs. You of course can use your weapon switch as you see fit; but there shouldnt be anything in your stash. Pick one set of gear and use it, you're coming up with a good all around build. Anyone can stack a bunch of sol'd gear in their stash and destroy a smiter for example, it's a lot more fun without that kind of gear hidden away :)
8) No slow of any kind allowed. (knockback is allowed though)
9) All characters are limited to level 34, except for fireball sorceresses and trappers. (feel free to suggest builds for the level 30 limit, but just those 2 at the moment)
10) No duelers can leave normal difficulty, or have completed the normal baal quest. All quests up to that point are fair game.
11) Keep it fun and friendly!
We'll duel bracket style, with random duel assignments (except we'll probably let Come Back Zinc and theShockeR duel each other in the first round, since they both said beforehand they were going to be making ghetto builds). Post here, let me know how many duelers you're going to have, and whether it's a ghetto build.
Keep in mind, none of us have charms, so we'll all be weaker. Your bonesnap charger using mediocre gear is NOT a ghetto build! Your untwinked anything, or your cheap blade fury assassin probably is.
Once we've heard from everyone who is interested and we know how many people and how many duelers we have competing, I'll go ahead and draw out of a hat to randomly determind matchups and how the bracket looks.
I was thinking we should limit it to 1 dueler per person, per bracket, otherwise it could end up with someone in a duel with themselves a couple rounds in, and it puts people who only have the time/resources to make one dueler at a significant disadvantage. If anyone wants to change that, we can discuss it in the thread.
As of right now, it looks like we've got:
Matt
Raith
Nightshade
Come Back Zinc
Master Zap
Xavier_Hungwell
Trapplebees
Tai
Funbob
theShockeR
Possibly CrawlingDeadMan
Maybe HelzCaretaker?
Feel free to add yourself to the list if you want in, or post and let us know if you're withdrawing if you see this and you're no longer interested.
Aiming for sometime after Wednesday, October 17th for our first official duels! Maybe over the weekend of the 20th sometime?
So, we need input/replies on a couple of issues:
1) Let me know in this thread if you're interested in participating, or if your name is on the list and you're not, let me know that too!
2) How many duelers you have (you don't need to announce what type here if you dont want to!)
3) Any changes you think should be made with the rules
4) What dates work for you, so we can coordinate that.
5) Anything else you think is important.
My PM's don't work! I wont get any messages if you PM them to me!!!
Hope to hear from you all soon, lets get this off the ground!
-Matt
Great list Matty.
9) All characters are limited to level 34, except for fireball sorceresses and trappers. (feel free to suggest builds for the level 30 limit, but just those 2 at the moment)
You forgot chargers, this means full charge. I am going to have 3 characters, hoping for three. I need to have my duels set on the weekend, but it depends what time on Wednesday. Maybe 9pm EST?
I'll be there, currently have my first character leveled and am planning the build for the next one.
If all goes well I might end up with a few, it all depends on how often we're planning to do this and if level ranges will be somewhat consistent (don't wanna gear 5 chars for example and then never use the gear again)
Cheers
-Tai
Great list Matty.
You forgot chargers, this means full charge. I am going to have 3 characters, hoping for three. I need to have my duels set on the weekend, but it depends what time on Wednesday. Maybe 9pm EST?
Ah yes, let's make pure chargers level 30 as well. Other builds are of course allowed to use charge for movement and as a charge into battle and switch attacks kind of thing, but pure chargers are restricted to level 30. Good catch Raith.
-Matt
I'll be there, currently have my first character leveled and am planning the build for the next one.
If all goes well I might end up with a few, it all depends on how often we're planning to do this and if level ranges will be somewhat consistent (don't wanna gear 5 chars for example and then never use the gear again)
Cheers
-Tai
You could make 3, and the gear is simple, it's not like using godly items. ;O
Barrynor
10-10-2007, 09:47
Bad idea a bout the fluxxing Matt. Fight untill the ear drops, and return loot. Its more fun that way. Itchy and Scratchy Fight Club!
theShockeR
10-10-2007, 17:00
I am going to be participating, with one character. I don't have the gear to support anymore then that, actually I don't really have the gear to support one character, but i'm going to have some fun with it :-P
I think the "flux" idea is a toss up. I can see the reason why it should be aloud, to keep from having to re build, but you're giong to get all of your gear back anyway, so I think you should fight until you're dead.
I think for the potion rule, you should make rejuvs not a loud. It's pretty obvious that everyone is going to stack 8 full rejuvs in their belt.
My character is low right now, and i'll be leveling it the next few days. My work schedule is pretty tight, but once we get everyones character up and running, and the bracket made. We should post a new thread here, showing the bracket. Then we can try and arrange to have the duels. I thnk there should always be one other party in the room to be the "ref/looter/whitness" that way we can make sure everything goes properly and there is no foul play (even though no one is going to do that because everyone in this community are good peoples)
I personally think Juves need to be allowed, some builds will rip through you fast enough that Healing pots won't even start to replenish you, whereas with enough FHR and a well-timed Juve you might just get out of it and get to turn the tide.
The point of allowing just 8 potions is so that people who choose to use Death's Sash for CBF aren't horribly outgunned, if the problem is accumulating Full Juves I can bring my mule in and give anyone who wants them their 8.
BTW is it 8 per round or 8 overall?
Cheers
-Tai
theShockeR
10-10-2007, 17:47
Well if you're supplying then juv me up baby lol. I have a hard time keeping my main with 4 at any time.
8 per round, yes.
I also think we should keep the potions as is, it will indeed be 8 full juvs for everyone I'd imagine, but without them, theres a lot of room for a abuse (for example lots of hit and run, stacked FRW so nothing can catch you and then just firing from a distance. With 8 juvs, chances are you'll catch em before they slowly whittle your life away, making the duels more fair.
I'd be good with no fluxing for sure! I thought others would want to be able to do it to save their character, but yeah, I do think it'll be more fun without it.
So, potions remaining the same, and duel to the death it is!
- Matt
Need Juvs?
Take something to Act 1 Hell and kill bosses and mass mobs, Hit Stoney Darkwood and Tristam. Even solo you should get alot of fulls or smalls that you can cube and if you are using a high lvl build you should destroy everything quickly. You can even do late NM if needed. Most the time I run around in Hell solo I find so many juvs I just Juv for mana and replace it with whats on the ground after battles alot of the time. Just find a spot with alot of champs/Elites that you can kill quick in like Act 1 or 2. Hell do Andy runs and kill along the way, lots of champs and bosses.
Got chipped gems? 3health pot/mana pot + chipped gem = one juvy. 3 juvy = 1 full juvy.
trapplebees
11-10-2007, 08:33
I'll have 1 char., and I'm doing a ghetto-build, too. As for the rules, I agree that there shouldn't be any fluxing. Leveling to 30/34 doesn't take that long, and after dueling, you may want to change the build anyway. The rest of them look good. The weekend of the 20th works for me. That should give me time to get to 34 and outfit it with OK rares.
Some people tell me i have no charm...
sorry i had to do that :hang:
AgentMarth
11-10-2007, 11:11
OK I may want to do this, but I am not sure.
Finding a 284% Eth Bonesnap I think may be a sign, that and having a 17 maxer and 2 15 maxers just lying around I think are screaming for a charger.
So I've got a couple duelers who are nearly done, one is completely finished, one is about 95% done, and the other is about 90%. So if anyone's looking for some friendly duels/sparring, let me know!
(The fury druid is the 95% done one, but because he probably has 1hit KO power on a lot of builds, I'll use a dueler which won't 1hit anyone for sparring)
-Matt
HelzCaretaker
11-10-2007, 18:51
I'll make a 34 druid if I find an elusive item...
and once I stop being so lazy I'll make a lvl 34 zon.
Right now my internet is screwy (thank you comcast) and I can only have 1 cpu connected thanks to bad ethernet cord *sniffles*
I'll make a 34 druid if I find an elusive item...
Haha, yours will probably destroy mine... mine are all pretty cheaply built, but who knows, maybe it'll work well.
xXxfunbobxXx
12-10-2007, 01:16
matt 3 bone spear shield with 20 res all and some random skills cant think off top of head but here yea
Hi Bob, I ended up going with a different shield, not a necro head at all, but thanks!
Anyone tryin to do a little sparrin' tonight? (I can BO us both so nobody dies...)
Master Zap
12-10-2007, 21:32
34 and done, reporting for Duty on the remake. This pally is much stronger ^^ , you all should have had me keep the old one :P
ps is having a shield full of dol's, honor and pcrown? considered "cheap tatics?"
New 34 pally has something like high 600's life
7500 Ar
2K ish defense
and something around 2200 avg damage (no he's not a charger)
75 block/75 res
If he lives through the duels, I'm going to pack his inventory full of charms, grush and wreck havok in pubbies ::mwahaha::
xXxfunbobxXx
13-10-2007, 00:40
i vote not fighting sara
i vote not fighting sara
Look who's scared now. Retiring my zon, bringing in two chars, that's if I can finish. >_< Haven't had much time.
I assume it's the same build sara, just rebuilt better?
If so the damage and life seems about right, my life will be a bit higher with my damage a bit lower on one switch and higher on the other. Should be fun if I face ya.
Love
Question, is it going to be 1v1? Is it still possible for some gear switch vs. other builds?
1st question: yes
2nd question: no gear switches or prebuffs as of last rules post i think, i mean obviously you can have gear on switch, but nothing in stash
Okay, got it, more clearer now, gotta perfect my gear haha. >_<;
HelzCaretaker
14-10-2007, 22:13
got my zon done (lvl'd that is, still need 1 piece of gear then to slap her together) should be quite pathetic.
Druid not looking nearly as good, lvling him up should be easy but getting weapon/armor/jewels a bit tougher.
Count me in. will be a ghetto guy though.
Master Zap
16-10-2007, 05:02
Anyone on tonight and want to give er a go?
*Sara[eF]
NightShade
16-10-2007, 05:19
I'm going to be lagging way behind guys. Internet has been down for a week, will be down for another week or so after a few days.
Hey, I'm back from my roadtrip/weekend off. I'll pop on now and see if anyone's tryin to duel/spar a little. Feel free to hit me up at *Darksideoftmoon or *Darksideofmoon4 if you're interested!
As for the official tourney, does this weekend or the next work for people?
-Matt
HelzCaretaker
17-10-2007, 06:03
Hey, I'm back from my roadtrip/weekend off. I'll pop on now and see if anyone's tryin to duel/spar a little. Feel free to hit me up at *Darksideoftmoon or *Darksideofmoon4 if you're interested!
As for the official tourney, does this weekend or the next work for people?
-Matt
I thought it was tomorrow, and here I was busting my *** to lvl these things...
I don't make plans in advance for the weekend, so it has to be in the afternoon sometime on saturday preferably.
Weekends for me, unless we do it tomorrow night, then 9PM EST for me. Classes = >_>
I thought it was tomorrow, and here I was busting my *** to lvl these things...
Aiming for sometime after Wednesday, October 17th for our first official duels
I'm ready to go anytime (well, I need to craft one more belt, but that'll be easy).
I may have a test tomorrow actually, and since I've been roadtrippin' the last 5 days, I haven't studied at all, so I'll have to study for that all night if I do. But, if I'm free tonight, I can surely do some duels tonight. So I guess let's plan tentatively to do a first round of dueling tonight.
Everyone who is in for the level 34/30 duels tonight at 9pm post here, and I'll make a little bracket for us. Let me know how many characters you want to enter, and I'll go from there. If not enough people see this before tonight, lets plan to just postpone it until the weekend. (I'd say we aim for 8 characters in the bracket tonight. I can cover 3 of them, so we need at least 5 more. If you have more than one character that's suppoused to duel in a given duel, you can just choose which one to advance, without actually killing your own character.
Think everyone involved will see this here, or should we make a new thread about duels for tonight?
So, we need 5 more characters, I assume Helz is in, since he'd posted he was planning on going tonight. Master_Zap had said she was ready as well, and I think Raith maybe is done? So, would be great to hear from you all, and of course anyone else who is ready to kick it off!
-Matt
Master Zap
17-10-2007, 17:56
see you in op xbananax at 9pm
Ive the one char that fits the rule guideline. Ive a second 34 pally who's also ready (see my earlier post)
Is that the one which is using 5 strength in charms because you messed his stats up? As far as I'm concerned, thats fine if you want to enter him as well.
Yeah, I'm done, forgot to socket something but that's fine.
Almost 7 here now. I'm going to go ahead and put Helz, Master_Zap, Raith and myself down as ready to do some duels at 9pm, in about 2 hours.
I have 3 characters, Zap has 2, Helz I think has 2, and Raith maybe has one?
Actually, one of mine is really not quite done, she needs an ith rune/Pamythest/junk jewel to craft a low level caster belt (she needs 2% more FCR to hit her breakpoint...) so if anyone has those around that I could use, I'll craft her belt, otherwise I'll just play my two characters that are done. That might work better anyhow, as it'll make 8 characters for a nice easy bracket.
So, I'll have a bracket ready by 9, but if anyone else wants in, theres still time!
-Matt
Master Zap
18-10-2007, 04:41
I'm here.
Ditto
and I can use a pruby if anyone has one
theShockeR
18-10-2007, 15:52
How did the duels go? Anyone got a fraps or some SS of the duels??
I didn't get any screenshots, but...
The first duel was my PnB necro vs Master_Zap's sacadin. I seemed to have won the duel, as I had pots left and she didn't, but when she became defensive in a last effort, I got impatient and chased her down into the den of evil. Bad idea, deeds for me. So Sara's Sacadin won the first round!
Next up was Helz' bow/jab amazon against... someone. I think one of Sara's paladins. I know the Paladin won, it may have been the same one that beat my necro.
Our last first-round duel was my fury druid against Raith's kicker. His CB and speed was droppin me fast, so I ate through a bunch of juvs, but when I finally landed a hit, he dropped fairly quick.
That left my fury druid and Sara's Sacadin in the running, so we had to duke it out for the winner on the night. She hit first, charging in and out with an insight weapon, but it wasnt enough to to really put the druid in danger of being KOed, though they did sting a bit. I finally caught up to her, and 1 fury ended the duel quickly.
Some very fun duels I'd say! I'll be rebuilding my necromancer, and my sorc hasn't gotten a chance to duel anyone yet, so theres still dueling to be done!
When's a good time for the rest of you, anyone who either hasnt dueled yet and would still like to (either couldnt make last night's time, or wasn't finished yet)?
-Matt
Master Zap
18-10-2007, 17:55
Sounds like a fairly accurate portrayal , fun fun of course.
I only used the Sacadin last night for dueling. I feel lucky on winning that Bone necro match up. Your char totaly seemed dominate on that one , bone prison and decrep would have spelled game over if you used them. I had half life and 1 small rejuv when I made that last stand.
the bow/jabber
as long as I kept chasing I had the win.T This kept the zon with shield up, and zeal/Sacr is stronger then jab for sure
Sacrifice maxed was something like 500% damage and a goodly amount of Ar :)
(not to mention zeal like this)
I was loathing that wolf match up , I knew that was going to be my bane. , 6/5/5/5 fury with a 400+ damage eth steeldriver (plus critical strike) puts on the hurt bigtime
I still have that hammer/charge
It wont take me long to make another lld , I so want to rematch that wolf!
this format was nice since one didnt loose charms
have a great day guys :girly:
~Sara
Yeah, I'd be down for a rematch for sure! I'll have to remake my necro, since I know Kime was, maybe still is, making a mauler which will beat my fury wolf, and i'll need something to counter that!
-Matt
I only spent like, two full rejuvenations and stopped haha. D;
Master Zap
19-10-2007, 01:14
I only spent like, two full rejuvenations and stopped haha. D;
maybe if you used the several others you snagged from me, you'd have killed Matt's wolf and my pally would still be around :evil: :jig:
Master Zap
30-12-2008, 18:30
I think it's time for another one of these. :cloud9:
OOOPS thread necro, New thread posted .
Original thread: http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=599555
So a quick rundown of our rules; feel free to offer changes (and reasons why) to any of these, and we'll decide from there:
1) No charms! Everyone will keep 5x polearms in their inventory and show them in the trade window before a duel.
2) no maphack, chickenhack, anything that ends in 'hack' or is remotely like any of this.
3) You MAY flux (save+exit) if you're about to lose the duel. It's silly to let yourself die if you've clearly lost the duel, and are going to get your stuff back either way. Save and exit, you lose the duel, but you don't have to rebuild. Don't abuse this, don't flux really early in a duel just because you think you wont win, thats no fun for anyone.
4) Everyone gets 8 potions, or 2 rows on a belt. Again, show your potions before the duel if it's an issue, but we'll kind of go with the honor system here. Any sort of potion can be used.
5) Don't bring in high levels to the games, be it your own, or especially your friends, possible exceptions would be people who most everyone knows from the forums here. (that doesn't include jsp only folks, sorry)
6) No Mercs
7) No gear switches or prebuffs. You of course can use your weapon switch as you see fit; but there shouldnt be anything in your stash. Pick one set of gear and use it, you're coming up with a good all around build. Anyone can stack a bunch of sol'd gear in their stash and destroy a smiter for example, it's a lot more fun without that kind of gear hidden away :)
8) blah blah blah slow is ok, including kb.
9) All characters are limited to level 34, except for fireball sorceresses and trappers. (feel free to suggest builds for the level 30 limit, but just those 2 at the moment)
10) No duelers can leave NM difficulty, or have completed the NM baal quest. All quests up to that point are fair game.
11) Keep it fun and friendly! :yes:
We'll duel bracket style, with random duel assignments Post here, let me know how many duelers you're going to have, and whether it's a ghetto build.
Keep in mind, none of us have charms, so we'll all be weaker. Your bonesnap charger using mediocre gear is NOT a ghetto build! Your untwinked anything, or your cheap blade fury assassin probably is.
Once we've heard from everyone who is interested and we know how many people and how many duelers we have competing, I'll go ahead and draw out of a hat to randomly determind matchups and how the bracket looks.
I was thinking we should limit it to 1 dueler per person, per bracket, otherwise it could end up with someone in a duel with themselves a couple rounds in, and it puts people who only have the time/resources to make one dueler at a significant disadvantage. If anyone wants to change that, we can discuss it in the thread.
Aiming for sometime next week to allow people to build up.
So, we need input/replies on a couple of issues:
1) Let me know in this thread if you're interested in participating, or if your name is on the list and you're not, let me know that too!
2) How many duelers you have (you don't need to announce what type here if you dont want to!)
3) Any changes you think should be made with the rules
4) What dates work for you, so we can coordinate that.
5) Anything else you think is important.
My PM's don't work! I wont get any messages if you PM them to me!!!
Hope to hear from you all soon, lets get this off the ground!
-Matt
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