Need help with my commando/poison/trang necro

[Pox]

Hello

Since I just recently found the missing piece for the trang oul set, I have figured just how to utilize them in the coolest way.

I originally thought of doing a poison/summon necro with the traditional 20 RS / 1 SM. But then I thought, "whats stopping me from wielding a weapon and deal out some damage?" (Because my wand sucks).

The thing is, will I have time to bash some heads in while still having time for cursing/poisoning/CE'ing/firewalling? Or should I change the build to skip the poison and work harder on the summon, curses and bone armor?

And is a trang necro viable for commandoing?

Pros with trang
- High defence
- High resist
- Good +skills
- 25 % physical resistance
- Can walk all the time (which means full def and block)
- Not all that crappy block with the shield (60 %)
- Fireball/wall!

Drawbacks with trang
- Virtually no fast hit recovery
- No increased attack speed (allthough this can be helped with shael and IAS jewels)
- No bonus to AR (once again, diamonds and amythists, and no... I don't have high runes). This will be solved by rings and charms I think.

I would like some ideas here. I'm defenetly not looking for a uber char. But instead a fun charecter who will differ from the standard hammerdin-meteorb-I-have-no-fantasy-char.

So... what does people think?

[asakuraaa]

i would make a pure poisen necro with maxed lower resis. when your ~85 our maxed out and you can spend the last points in skelets or golem.

playing a psn necro is pure fun and you can do everything in hell from andy-baal, but i would not use full to-set.

when you whant to use your own creeps it would be the best to concentraite on the summoning skills. wile your creeps are bashing you still can use corps explosion from the back. the to-set will boost your fire dmg from CE. bone armor would be a complete waste, because you need to skill bonewall and bonerpison. with creeps you dont realy need bone armor ;)

so far
asakura

[Mad Mantis]

Full Trang's gives you problems with IAS, AR and FHR, but overall the mods are decent. You can melee in it, but it wouldn't be my first choice.

[Pox]

You think I still should go with the pure poison dude... hmm... maybe I will.

Allthough I hardly see the point to waste 19 points in LR, that will effectevly mean no skellis. No, I think one point will do, with +12 skills it should be well enough.

How can you not use the full set!? You look like a god, can cast fireballs (just think, fireballs!) and gets some nice bonuses (and fireballs!)! And remember, not all people have mighty uber gear. I don't, it took some hard work assembling my trang oul set. I now I will use it *insert evil laughter*

But thanks for the advice, I will probably do the poison as you recommended.

All the best / Johan

(PS, I know that you still get fireballs with fewer pieces : )

[boodah]

I originally thought of doing a poison/summon necro with the traditional 20 RS / 1 SM. But then I thought, "whats stopping me from wielding a weapon and deal out some damage?" (Because my wand sucks).

The thing is, will I have time to bash some heads in while still having time for cursing/poisoning/CE'ing/firewalling? Or should I change the build to skip the poison and work harder on the summon, curses and bone armor?

And is a trang necro viable for commandoing?


I have a trang pzn/smn necro, lvl 87. My advice, don't run into the crowd and try to get all barb on the monsters. You will die quickly. Meat shield is there for a reason. If you really want to try, get a dagger with some knockback, DV the creep and hit him with that. Otherwise you will be in trouble.

1 pt in lower resist is plenty. Bone armor is nice as a safety net, but one point will do there as well.

I also can't afford uber gear (although I do have a d-web) and trangs works great. WSK can be trouble with all the poison immunes that spawn, but otherwise he does well.

If you are looking for extra point allocation, try DV.

Also socketing your wing with a pdiamond helps quite a bit.

just my 2 cents.

[asakuraaa]

i got with my psn necro a -67 resi curse and it breaks every poisen immun, exept some stupid souls etc.
when you cant break them, just finish them with ce!
i never use summonings, just my firegolem for dia and clay for blocker.

[Day]

I went full poison on my posion Necro and put a point in curses to get Lower Resistance - i stuck at dim vision on the other branch.

I put a single point in most of the summoning (didn't go above Clay golem on the Golem branch). Had a single point in Revive hich gave me 8 revives (which with clay Golem was more than enough) with plus skills. Used the Dagger with the the plus poison skills with an Eth in in it.

I tried to play the poison tree as much as possible rather than just get a corpse and CE. For poison immunes I did occaisionally use CE and the firewall from Trangs.

Played at players 8 (it was single player) until Hell act 3 and then gradually dropped down to the end. Mainly as I wanted to finish the character.

No deaths and no save exists - a fun character - I used Aldur's for boots and the walk speed was amazing - zipping round. I also went max block.

The spare points left over I ummed and ahhed and to be honest you don't need to spend them - best use is proabbly upping CE for the radius but I didn't like the flavour. In the end I (around the end of Act 3 hell I) put a point in Bone armour and the rest in bone wall for around and ended up with a 375 (ish) shield.

As you are in combat for poison dagger this worked really well and added a lot of safety to the character. I never used the bone wall but had the idea of poisoning stuff and walling them up.

I wouldn't bother adding points to lower resist very marginal I thought.

[boodah]

I wouldn't bother adding points to lower resist very marginal I thought.

I find I use it so infrequently that I took it off hot key

[asakuraaa]

i play my psn necro more often then my other chars and in my opinion lower resi ist more usefull than creeps around you. my nove makes 10k dmg and for what sould i use creeps?

what i dont understand is why maxblock when you're using creeps :shocked: they are your blockers.

for stats i would say str. for equip and rest vita.

[Pox]

Yes...

I have done the char now and at lvl 75 he's doing great. Left dex and energy at base and only have 61 in base strength so that means a lot of life (I allways play as if it's hc, allthough I play sc, so I have never died).

LR did get one point since I got +11 to curses. 20 RS / 1 SM works out just fine.

The question now is that since I got max res in hell, good life, good mana and there is really not much that I miss. But still I have no rings, no amu and four empty sockets! (jolly fun).

What should I use? SoJ and BK are well above what I can afford and after that, I really don't know. Of course I will probably get a +necro skills amu. But since I have good +skills, I'm tempted to just get two good naglerings, a mf amu and stick a topaz in my helm and armor. That should give me something of a 100 mf. Then the pit runs should be much more fun!

What do you think or have a missed any good stuff?

(Please dont suggest high runes since I obviously cannot afford them)

[Damric]

you can't go wrong with either nagel rings or dwarf stars. the magic damage reduction of 2 dwarfs is amazing. unless you have facets, topazes are a good option. id all blue amulets and you will eventually find a +3pnb with +life.

[asakuraaa]

for rings the best thing would be soj, but a 10fcr ring with nice adds or something like that workes fine! as amu i would prefere a +3pb more than a +2 necro.
Try to hit the 105 fcr! for example, i use a wizzy with a psn rbf 5-5. everything i can sockle is socked with a 5-5 rbf it boost the dmg pritty well :)

[Pox]

+3 pnb would be nice, got a +3 curses and 20 mf amu from a friend today that will do for a while.

Good thing about the facets, forgot about them and will defenetly try to get some.

But i'm a bit more sceptical about the fcr. First am a poisonmancer, and the trang oul screws the cast rate anyway. Good idea though.

Thanks for all the input!