View Full Version : Hellgate Hardcore
Barrynor
08-10-2007, 19:59
It seems we have a new challenge ahead of us... Hardcore Hellgate. Gotta finish wussiecore first, and then you're on to HC. I might even buy that game.... hmmm.... hardcore. Yay!
Meh, I haven't heard anything particularly great about Hellgate, maybe I'll look into it if I hear amazing reviews from the regulars, but at the moment have no desire to pay to play a FPS.
Cheers
-Tai
NightShade
08-10-2007, 22:43
From what I saw it looked very generic. Maybe when I play I will change my mind. I've resolved to not ever get into another mmo, ever again....So we'll see how this works ^.^
PvtCaboose
08-10-2007, 22:44
I've not seen any info on it. I've seen the ads just haven't opted to click them yet... depending I might try it out.
headiesLive
08-10-2007, 22:52
if you havent played the beta (in which case you can form your own opinion about it,) dont get over-excited about it. wait until the reviews come out then decide to buy it. just from my limited experience of playing the beta i didn't find it very enjoyable.
edit: thats not to say im not hoping its good, i hope they fix the issues with it and i hope its a good game because i think it COULD be a great game.
I'll probably never buy it, I'll wait for SC2.
AgentMarth
09-10-2007, 01:16
I personally don't like the 3D of it, I know it sounds weird, but I prefer the more 2D aspect of D2, rather than a 3D life HG:L or something like WoW.
The characters always seem a bit cheesy, and never have enough detail to me, but thats what happens with a MMORPG. I've always been more of a graphic > gameplay person.
I would kill for a D2 Remake/Anniversary addition where it fixed ALL bugs, and updated the graphics but still keep the same style of play and 2Dness. Hey, I can dream can't I? I'd even pay per month for it! Sigh.....
Another vote for isometric style view, here. 3d doesnt turn me on.
MoUsE_WiZ
09-10-2007, 04:51
There's another thread on the game somewhere round here barry, lots of bad press from forum going beta testers is what I gathered.
I'll still check it out though.
Barrynor
09-10-2007, 10:20
ah... thanks for the headsup. Also, somewhere along the lines I failed to see it was an MMORPG, which means I won't buy it, cuz that feeds the addiction and we all know how that is :rolleyes:
Well, gotta get back to work now. Meh.
NightShade
10-10-2007, 05:03
To be honest, if they re-did diablo 2 changing nothing but fixing bugs and balance issues and a graphical revamp they could really just print their own money and have moneyfights.
Valar-Wrath
10-10-2007, 05:55
To be honest, if they re-did diablo 2 changing nothing but fixing bugs and balance issues and a graphical revamp they could really just print their own money and have moneyfights.
If they did that and maybe added some new features (nothing big, new weapons/armor/runewords or something of the like) I'd easily drop 50 bucks on it. I would even consider paying to play for a period of time.
MoUsE_WiZ
10-10-2007, 11:12
I(nothing big, new weapons/armor/runewords or something of the like)
Guild halls
>.>
<.<
2D is old hat I find it hard to believe anyone will make something to "sell" that is not 3D.
Meh I generally prefer 2D.
Let's compare...
D2 vs. WoW
Starcraft vs. WarCraft 3
Bigger units is not inherently better...
Thing is that most "kids" and even adults base purchases on first impressions with little to no info to go on and 3D has WOW factor that 2D doesnt.
3d is very old hat too. There's nothing new or surprising about 3d at all.
Valar-Wrath
10-10-2007, 21:24
Bigger units is not inherently better...
That's not what your mom was saying on our date last night.
I'm sorry, it was too easy and I had to for old times sake.
<3 Tai.
tomatoman
11-10-2007, 06:49
That's not what your mom was saying on our date last night.
I'm sorry, it was too easy and I had to for old times sake.
<3 Tai.
..toasted.
Barrynor
11-10-2007, 15:30
mom-secks, man-secks, no difference there I guess.
Actually, I'm still working on Galciv2: DA, Oblivion and TWMEDII:Kingdoms. Now if only Spore could come out, we'd be in buisness.
I played the beta...I didnt enjoy it very much
I even cancelled my preorder =/
NightShade
19-10-2007, 10:51
I played the demo for a half hour before I said "this is terrible" and uninstalled the huge thing. The combat animations are choppy and unsatisfying, the combat its self is lamer than I believed possible, ranged wepons feel like you're holding down left click and running laps....It hurt.
Barrynor
19-10-2007, 13:19
Pity...
"A pity he didnt kill it.
"No, it was pity that stopped his hand. Many who deserve death live, and some that deserve life die."
"Can you give it to them?" ^_^
Barrynor
19-10-2007, 16:34
Congratulations. You have won a ketchup-shower. Please stand still whilst I dole out the ketchup atop of your head. Once I am done, you may move again.
:rolleyes:
:laugh:
Hp_Sauce
19-10-2007, 23:35
When I watched the demo movies for this game they looked pretty repetative.
Run forwards until you encounter enemies, then run backwards while shooting at the enemies who blindly run in a straight line at you. repeat. It appear the only survival skill was to run backwards and occasionally strafe.
didn´t look like it was for me at all.
-hps
Still-Xey-Lover
21-10-2007, 20:07
the game sucks, i'm not gonna waste time DLing the demo.
LuckyDwarf
21-10-2007, 23:44
What we need is DIII in 4D. You think diablo is tough? Try spamming right click in a land where even your shadows have shadows.
Lucky
Nobody is going to play Hardcore Hellgate because it is not free.
If you want Hardcore mode, you have to pay US$10 a month.
No thanks.
Lathorion
22-10-2007, 12:33
When I watched the demo movies for this game they looked pretty repetative.
Run forwards until you encounter enemies, then run backwards while shooting at the enemies who blindly run in a straight line at you. repeat. It appear the only survival skill was to run backwards and occasionally strafe.
didn´t look like it was for me at all.
-hps
And D2 is different because...?
How fun would it be to watch a D2 demo movie?
In all honesty I don't think I can judge HGL until I've played it through a couple of times and have a few high-lvl chars. I would certainly not judge it after playing to level 5 in the demo. It would be like judging D2 after rescuing Cain, right?
I didn't know I'd love D2 as much as I do the first time I played it. It was an OK game, but it wasn't until the gearhunt and build-experimenting started that I really got hooked.
It took a while to get used to the FPS feel of the game, but after that I really started to enjoy it.
I think that HGL might have the elements necessary to get me hooked. It's build on a solid foundation, with a lot of nice functionality. However its a bit buggy at the moment.
Oh, and about it costing a monthly fee; I would love to be able to pay a monthly fee for D2 so that they could fix bugs and continue develop new maps, bosses, items, classes etc
Just my thoughts.
L_Clan_Dalamar
23-10-2007, 01:55
Agreed, I am also looking forward to hardcore in HG:L, if paying 10 bucks a month meant that we'd get more content and an actual in-game service to get rid of stuff like tppks/hacks i would probably pay it for D2. I am in college and short of money but considering how much i used to play D2, i reckon it would be quite worth it.
In terms of HG:L's quality, i am not sure yet. I like the basic gameplay and mechanics that were in the demo but it was too short to judge the content.
NightShade
23-10-2007, 02:19
It felt very slow and unresponsive, those were my biggest issues. For a graphically "rich" fps the blows didn't feel like they were satisfying, the explosions didn't feel right...Maybe I am just jaded because I had the idea it was diablo 3.
Hp_Sauce
23-10-2007, 02:58
And D2 is different because...?
How fun would it be to watch a D2 demo movie?
In all honesty I don't think I can judge HGL until I've played it through a couple of times and have a few high-lvl chars. I would certainly not judge it after playing to level 5 in the demo. It would be like judging D2 after rescuing Cain, right?
I didn't know I'd love D2 as much as I do the first time I played it. It was an OK game, but it wasn't until the gearhunt and build-experimenting started that I really got hooked.
It took a while to get used to the FPS feel of the game, but after that I really started to enjoy it.
I think that HGL might have the elements necessary to get me hooked. It's build on a solid foundation, with a lot of nice functionality. However its a bit buggy at the moment.
Oh, and about it costing a monthly fee; I would love to be able to pay a monthly fee for D2 so that they could fix bugs and continue develop new maps, bosses, items, classes etc
Just my thoughts.
Well you raise good points, I wont argue with that, or them even. But, I'm entitled to my own opinion, and right now my opinion is... meh.
It's not only that I don't want to buy or play Hellgate, it's that I don't really want to buy or play any new games at the moment, so my opinion is bias anyway.
-hps
Barrynor
23-10-2007, 09:57
*looks at his freshly started level 1 Paladin in Oblivion*
Hmm, you know, I currently play Oblivion after having bought the GOTY edition (which was my main reason to wait a bit) and run short of a dozen mods. I have all the official expansions, and I daresay, its the most fun I've had since D2. There's definately the feeling of hack-and-slash, and the feeling of Monty Haul (I have a house with a cellar... and my Paladin feels its her holy duty that she should gather weaponry and armor for Judgement day, the more the merrier), and sinc eone of the mods I run is OOO (Oscuros Oblivion Overhaul) I have the same problem I had in d1: More than three opponents at a time? BAAAD! BAAAHAAD! You'd better run...
Nothing beats using an enemy's trap against him... "look, here be a tripwire, and there be a log... now if I run like this, jump here and trip the tripwire from the other side then you, my big beefy friend, will get this log in your face... yeah that's right... drop that sword...." Quite the amusement. My current record is three heavily-armed-and-armored bandits in the same, silly arrows-from-the-wall trap.
That's the reason why I dont play any online games anymore. I play the few single-player gems there are. Its more fun that way.
MoUsE_WiZ
23-10-2007, 10:28
ZOMG! I just got into the hellgate london beta!!
<goes back to reading lorwyn card lists mumbling something about fnm drafts>
I used to be excited about this game but I'm definitely not buying now. From what I've heard it's pretty much trying to be identical to D2 (trying, they even have a 'wort's leg' or something) but they have that damned subscription model AND ingame advertisements.
If you don't subscribe you don't get HC, you get smaller lootbags, you only get three character slots (less than the number of classes lol), server qeues, not all the best loot available, less dungeons etc. So you won't even be able to make mules unless you subscribe, cheap *** game, it's offensive, most of that stuff is just things they have taken away from the regular game and not added extra to the subscription model, those who don't subscribe still buy the damn game.
Fine if they need to pay for server upkeep, but charging as much as for an MMO is ridiculous IMO. 20$ / year would maybe be okay, but the whole concept doesn't exactly instil trust or faith in the developer. Screw them, waiting for D3.
Screw them, waiting for D3.
Well, as we all know I am at "Dead Center, Hell" and I am here to tell you that the temp hasn't fallen yet so "When Hell Freezes Over" is still a long way off so don't hold your breath!
Valar-Wrath
24-10-2007, 16:45
Fine if they need to pay for server upkeep, but charging as much as for an MMO is ridiculous IMO. 20$ / year would maybe be okay, but the whole concept doesn't exactly instil trust or faith in the developer. Screw them, waiting for D3.
These complaints still blow my mind. I'm an unemployed college student and I still find the "ridiculous" amount of money for WoW every month. If 50 cents for a couple hours of entertainment each day is ridiculous to you I don't even want to know what going to the movies or a sports event is considered.
If you want online quality service anymore, you're going to pay monthly for it. Every gaming company knows this and if you decide that you won't play Hellgate(or any game) simply because it costs too much, you're not going to hurt Blizzard's feelings...or their billion dollar company.
If you do happen to find a good(see: as popular as WoW, Starcraft, Guild Wars, etc) online game that is not pay to play, let me know. But I don't see that happening ever again.
P.S. If you want to play D3, if it ever comes out, you're going to pay monthly. I'm not saying you won't think it's worth it, just preparing you for the trauma that the "ridiculous" amount of money you're going to be spending is going to cause.
Edit: This isn't directed at just you, Hugman. I see these comments all the time, I just happened to find yours in this thread. :wave:
come back zinc
24-10-2007, 18:42
Aye - we must pay for quality gaming.
I don't know what happened to this place. I remember back in the dial-up your friend days when you got a good game for the price of a local phone call.
The reason we pay continually for quality gaming is nothing more than profit. I played Xbox live for 2 years and there was just as much, if not more stupid hacking there. They sell you on a package with monthly fees the same reason that everyone else does: it makes good business sense. I played Blizzard games on B.net for years and that didn't cost me a darn thing 'cept what I payed for the CD. Somehow that's just not fianancially viable anymore...?
Now we're expected to understand that the monthly fees we're paying are for upkeep? If we were only paying for upkeep then it should be something they announce at the end of every month: "this month cost us $55,678 for servers, updates, excess staff hours, and maps; divided amongst you 50,000 users: everyone owes $1.02". I'd have no problem paying that. Show me what I'm paying for.
I want to know if I'm paying 50% of that money to the company that put up the $ for the game in the first place which is some corporate investment firm who demands ridiculous profits so that its hedge funds keep making money for the corporate fat cats on wall street who need to make that 37th million by the end of the month or else they won't be able to afford their 5th Masserati... *everybody walks away from the lunatic on the soapbox
Everything today is a cash grab. Everyone's always got a reason why you need to pay them more. Everybody! Be happy with what you have! Tell them 'hell no, we won't go - I like what I've got! Sell your questionably improved product at double the price to someone else'.
Sorry, rant terminated (dignity as well)
It's relative. I don't think Hellgate is comparable to an MMO and, while I don't mind a fee, I do not think it's justifiable to charge as much as for an MMO. On top of that they have in game ads, something I have quite a hatred for. It's not that I think 10$/month is too much to pay but I think it's too much compared to what you can get for it in other games. It feels like they just want to sucker people for money
ever considered trying to calculate how much cash Blizz has taken in on WOW and wonder WTF they did with it???
What is it, the original and (2) xpacs? It was quickly like 2 mill ppl playing at 13-15/mth but IIRC its been over 8 mill for a long time now..... correct me if wrong....
Latest Xpac cost what? $50 (just a guess) It is like $13/mth if you by it by 3 mths at a time right?
8 mill subscribers = 8,000,000 * 13 * 12 = 1,248,000,000
So lets say I was WY WRONG and its only 2 mill subscribers its still 312 Mill/year just in subscriptions. It cost that much to upkeep servers and the game?
Lets say they have 40 ppl making 100k to upkeep the game.....4mill/year....hell what does a new server cost, they can probably afford to buy all new ones every year..... Hell maybe its 80 ppl making 200k/yr and a 5 mil/yr hardware budget......whats that? 21mill/year **** they are bringing in 1.25 bill!!!
PS.....guess I wasnt wrong I looked
IRVINE, Calif. – January 11, 2007 – Blizzard Entertainment, Inc. announced today that World of Warcraft®, its subscription-based massively multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORPG), is now played by more than 8 million gamers around the world. World of Warcraft has also achieved new regional subscriber milestones, with more than 2 million players in North America, more than 1.5 million players in Europe, and more than 3.5 million players in China.
So you tell me where the money is going.....not that they have to tell you but I just dont like the looks of it.
come back zinc
24-10-2007, 23:29
Same place it always goes. Top 5%'s pockets. Daaaarrrrrrgghhh.
Valar-Wrath
25-10-2007, 00:41
So you tell me where the money is going.....not that they have to tell you but I just dont like the looks of it.
Exactly where you think it's going. Blizzard's pocket.
But like you quoted, they have over 8 million subscribers just for WoW. Obviously enough people don't care where their money is going for Blizzard to still be a huge business. Unless that changes, pay to play's existence and rates won't either.
MoUsE_WiZ
25-10-2007, 08:54
Exactly.
The market has spoken... WoW is the best MMORPG of all time ever.
Heh... maybe not... if things worked like that The Sims would rate as best game of all time ever, and I'm sure everyone here can agree that that isn't the case, biased as the sample may be.
But, it is still a very fun game to very many people.
So why CAN'T Blizzard charge more than everyone else for having what is one of the better, if not the best, product on the market? There is no end to examples of quality costing extra just because it IS quality even when production costs are similar in other industries... why should video games be a special case?
As for Hellgate London costing money every month... if I'm going to be paying to play, I'm going to be paying to play what I consider the best game out there, and from what I hear, Hellgate London isn't it.
NightShade
25-10-2007, 09:28
The real crippler is that by making the game pay to play monthly you are making people choose. Would I rather pay 15$ a month for wow or 10$ a month for hellgate basically. And when you're going toe to toe with the biggest mmo out there, goodluck.
The biggest pool they would be pulling would be the people who have become disenfranchised with the whole idea of mmos and are looking for something a little more back to basics
MoUsE_WiZ
25-10-2007, 09:39
The real crippler is that by making the game pay to play monthly you are making people choose. Would I rather pay 15$ a month for wow or 10$ a month for hellgate basically. And when you're going toe to toe with the biggest mmo out there, goodluck.
Somewhat.
It isn't the monthly fee that forces the choice... I pay for plenty of things monthly, and if I wanted to I could pay for 2 monthly game subscriptions too. The fee doesn't force the choice, the fact that there are only so many hours in the day, and most games with a monthly subscription consume as many of those hours as you are willing to let them does.
I mean... how many people out there play D2 and WoW at the same time? I know I don't. One or the other.
The fee just means that I'm that much less likely to give the game the chance to be the thing taking up my time.
Barrynor
25-10-2007, 10:26
last thing I read was that the monthly fee for Hellgate is only for some extra's, and that you can play the basic game online for free. If its "free", I might give it a shot. Gotta download me that demo this weekend and give it a go.
As for WoW and the money... say that Blizzard looses 40 million a year keeping WoW afloat, and another 40 million a year for running their various studios.
If I were the head of Blizzard, or a shareholder, I'd be collapsing with laughter every single month.
NightShade
25-10-2007, 10:44
http://warbucket.com/site/comic/getcomic.php?no=46&set=oldcomics
MoUsE_WiZ
25-10-2007, 11:18
http://warbucket.com/site/comic/getcomic.php?no=46&set=oldcomics
Heh.
The best part about that isn't the gag, which got a chuckle years ago.
It's that the gag was still funny and applicable in a WC3 comic.
Thing is that monthly fees were introduced as "constant upkeep fees" but clearly they go way beyond that. i laughed when I saw the poll from Blizz about monthly fees for WOW before release, it started around 5 and was up to 20 at different levels and I just knew it was going to be on the high end.
I hope to see someone come out with the "tweener".....excellent game with reasonable rates. 13-15/month isnt "reasonable" its simply a cash cow and its irritating to me. If ANet can put out non-monthly great games and Blizz can put out 15/mth great games and both make a ton and still upkeep the games there is a median in there where there could be a Godly reasonable cost game.
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