kicker damage

[Nephelite]

another basic question about kickers. how much dmg could a kicker do, how much should a kicker do?

[mephiztophelez]

err, thats a hard question to answer actually, seeing as most of a kickers damage comes from Venom & Open Wounds.

a lvl 45+ Venom is generally considered pretty GG, 50+ is gosu.

[mmmpld]

My current uber (as in trist) kicksin does 690-1113 listed damage. Note that doesn't include venom.

[Nephelite]

ok, but a pvp-kicker must be benefiting more from the "listed dmg" than on venom/open wounds? or am i wrong? my pvp-kicker does around 1.2k with Dtalon. and have 27 venom. should i try to pump that venom or the dmg? what armor for example treachery or lionheart?

[Silent Shaddow]

Hmm, that poison damage is applied over an increditably short period of time, 0.4 Seconds to be exact,

Poison damage> > >Physical damage

[Nephelite]

so i should go for treachery then? and a lot of skillers?

[JoeJTang]

so i should go for treachery then? and a lot of skillers?
Don't use a Treachery. It has poor defense, and it casts level 15 Fade 5% of the time you're struck, which could override your possibly better Fade or your Burst of Speed if you use that.
More importantly, it will override your Venom with a level 15 one 25% of the time you hit your opponent. I'm quite positive you should have at least level 20 Venom and prebuff with a Trang-Oul's Claw, so this level 15 Venom will most likely be inferior. If you have less than 15 Venom for whatever reason, and you don't prebuff with a Trang's, then you can use it I guess.

[mephiztophelez]

Don't use a Treachery. It has poor defense, and it casts level 15 Fade 5% of the time you're struck, which could override your possibly better Fade or your Burst of Speed if you use that.
More importantly, it will override your Venom with a level 15 one 25% of the time you hit your opponent. I'm quite positive you should have at least level 20 Venom and prebuff with a Trang-Oul's Claw, so this level 15 Venom will most likely be inferior. If you have less than 15 Venom for whatever reason, and you don't prebuff with a Trang's, then you can use it I guess.

the CtC venom from Treachery WILL NOT override a higher level venom thats already active. the CtC Fade however, WILL override a higher level Fade OR BoS.