Deadly Strike/Critical Strike "Bug" & WWS Socketing Question

[maiku]

I think I've read on the forum that there's a "bug" associated with Critical Strike and Deadly Strike, where if they are triggered, then you do double your maximum physical damage. Is this correct? (I.e., 2X max damage when CS or DS go off, every time they proc.)

Or is it that when Critical Strike or Deadly Strike proc, that you do double damage on whatever your physical damage roll is at that time? (I.e., closer to 2X average damage when they proc.)

Second, if this supposed bug is true, it'll influence my thinking about resocketing my WWS for my Witchyzon Strafer. (Remember that WWS has 1-99% Deadly Strike, equal to char level. At high levels, most shots will be affected by DS.) If maximum damage is what matters the most (since you do double max damage when DS procs), then I would gain more by socketing with +15 max damage jewels than I would with similar or better +min damage jewels, right? (+min damage jewels are supposed to add to max if you get enough +min and good ones at that, like +18 min jewels. I think the best I have is a +13 or +14 min jewel. I don't know if I'll ever run across a +18 min one. I know the best would be 40/15 IAS jewels, but let's be real here. I'll probably be a millionaire in real life before I ever get 2 legit 40/15s.) I do have a 30% ED jewel or two somewhere, but I'm a bit reluctant to socket those. I have several +14-15 max damage ones, though.

Typically calculations have been done in average damage over time, and we know that different bows and crossbows have higher or lesser mins and maxs, offering better or worse average damage depending on the equipment. With fast Strafe, what has been often recommended is to do the most average damage over time. However, if DS and CS work by applying double max physical damage, this makes average damage somewhat misleading and skews the results. I hope it's clear what I'm getting at.

[NASE]

I have never seen that bug confermed here. So I assume that it ain't true. If it were, wf would out perferm faith much easier then they do now.

What so socket? wws is a budget bow. don't socket it with 15/40. Sell the 15/40 and get faith/pride or wf/faith combo. Cheap option are probably just plain sheals. Budget, and you need 86 ias. With budget equipment this may be a bit far off, and you really need 86 ias, for /2 strafe. 40 ias from dual sheal is cheap and very effective. Other option, if you get your breakpoint, are nef or even amn (lifeleech).

If you really want to go expensive, though why would you? Don't go with +min damage jewels. If I calculated correct the last time I did the calculations. With two max-minimum damage jewels. You only had an increase of maximum damage by about 5. So unless you somewhere find huge numbers of +min damage, I don't think it is worth it. Rings and charms only have +1 IIRC, and I haven't though much uniques with this feature.
Someone has done the calculation for wws with different socketables. Dual ohm had the most damage, though really. Dual ohm in wws is a waste, and then you still need to get your damage.

Conclusion, stay budget or get a big gun. Unless you really want a thema build.

P.S. assuming that the bug ain't true, if it were true, then perhaps this is a nice idea.

[Mav451]

I dunno, if it were true then the minute I went from Buriza to WF shoulda been a massive boost. I know that the WF gives up a ton in min damage, but by this theory (with my HL's and lvl16 base CS) I'd be doing an insane amount more damage.

But that's not the case. The reason I do more damage with the WF is primarily it's speed (yes, 9/3 vs. 12/3.5) compared to anything else. I think this is wishful thinking...cuz otherwise I woulda noticed a more drastic change.

If you want a drastic change, get a Fort. I was wearing a Tal's for MF for the longest time, and the minute I changed to a Fort I knew I couldn't go back.

[maiku]

I have never seen that bug confermed here. So I assume that it ain't true. If it were, wf would out perferm faith much easier then they do now.

What so socket? wws is a budget bow. don't socket it with 15/40. Sell the 15/40 and get faith/pride or wf/faith combo. Cheap option are probably just plain sheals. Budget, and you need 86 ias. With budget equipment this may be a bit far off, and you really need 86 ias, for /2 strafe. 40 ias from dual sheal is cheap and very effective. Other option, if you get your breakpoint, are nef or even amn (lifeleech).

If you really want to go expensive, though why would you? Don't go with +min damage jewels. If I calculated correct the last time I did the calculations. With two max-minimum damage jewels. You only had an increase of maximum damage by about 5. So unless you somewhere find huge numbers of +min damage, I don't think it is worth it. Rings and charms only have +1 IIRC, and I haven't though much uniques with this feature.
Someone has done the calculation for wws with different socketables. Dual ohm had the most damage, though really. Dual ohm in wws is a waste, and then you still need to get your damage.

Conclusion, stay budget or get a big gun. Unless you really want a thema build.

P.S. assuming that the bug ain't true, if it were true, then perhaps this is a nice idea.

Yeah, definitely, I wouldn't think about *really* socketing 40/15s in a WWS. I paid 6 perfect gems and a Pul (to upgrade) for this little thing. Already well over the 86% IAS breakpoint for my Witchy.

BTW, I think I found where I first read mention of this supposed "bug":

The Critical/deadly strike bug: The critical/deadly strike bug is a bug
that gives bowazons a major oomph. Critical/deadly strike are supposed to
double your damage, and they do, but they were intended to double the damage
you did on -that- hit (for example, you do 1 to 10 damage. You do 4 damage,
and critical strike goes off, you should do 8 damage, but…), but, since it
is bugged, it forces your physical damage’s maximum to be doubled, and
allows it to always hit for that amount. (For example, if you did 4 damage,
and critical strike went off, you’d instead do 20.) This is a powerful bug,
as it allows the bowazon to effectively hit for over 10,000 ranged physical
damage over 70% of the time.


This is from a bowazon guide on another forum. If you want link or reference, PM me. I know the mods are rather strict on linking or mentioning other websites. The guide dates from 2006. In my Google search, though, I did not encounter any reference of it on this site, so I guess my memory must point back to this guide as the mention of the bug.

So it's quite probable that the guide writer didn't know what he was talking about. I wanted to see if this supposed bug could be verified or not. If not, there's no really no reason to put too much faith in a rumor or unverified claim, and therefore, my socketing choice on the WWS isn't as big of a concern anymore.

[crawlingdeadman]

this sounds like a psn damage makes it not work kinda myth.

[maiku]

Yeah, while I was searching for mention of this myth, I saw the poison myth mentioned a lot on other D2 sites. It made me squint in pain.

[Summerfun]

Who do you think actually start those crazy rumors?

[crawlingdeadman]

Who do you think actually start those crazy rumors?

noobs from jsp.

[nex]

I think I've read on the forum that there's a "bug" associated with Critical Strike and Deadly Strike, where if they are triggered, then you do double your maximum physical damage. Is this correct? (I.e., 2X max damage when CS or DS go off, every time they proc.)

No. I tested it and it doesn't work like that. And if that's not good enough for you RTB also tested it and found out that's not true :smiley:

edit: I tested it with DS but I will just assume CS works the same way :smiley:

Or is it that when Critical Strike or Deadly Strike proc, that you do double damage on whatever your physical damage roll is at that time? (I.e., closer to 2X average damage when they proc.)

That's correct.

[maiku]

Thanks for the confirmation. The wise ones of the forum have not led me astray.