NEw to Sins

[Luichenwai]

So, I've looked over some of the guides for Sins. Kick, Traps, etc.

I'm not sure which I would prefer. I already have a light sorc thats killer, 37K lite damage, infinity on merc, max resists etc.etc.

So I might not want another Lightning character..... I was messing around in single player with a sin, just stabbing and cutting at monsters. That seems pretty fun. What build/equipment/stats/skills would you guys recommend for something of this nature? I want something thats fun to play in PvM

[PhoenixZ]

ummm...
sounds like a kicker.
i mean there are 2 types of sins, kicker and trapper.
trapping sin is like using a sorc in my opinion. u just place traps on the ground waiting for minions to die, sometimes u stay away from the fight cause you rather not get hurt.
a kicker sin is so much fun. u always involved in the battle, and u get a huge satisfaction when u charge 2-3 skills and release them with an explosive kick.
this is my opinion after having both sins.
check out the sticky thread there are alot of nice guides in there.

[Luichenwai]

ah.. so a kicksin... Are there different builds for different kicksins?

I'll take a look at the sticky not and different guides.

[Zigot_HD]

If you want versatility, then go for a hybrid kicksin with trap.
Also a pure MA build like PS, or DC-TS is also fun to play but involve more timing b/c it use charge-up skills.

[Luichenwai]

Ah, I just realized that for MA builds that I need to charge up... hmm.. I kinda of want to just BLAST my way through Hell difficulty like my LightSorc...

Perhaps I need to make a trap sin to do the same?

[brokensvt]

A pure Trapsin will never be quite as efficient as your Light soso Jason. A top-tier Trapsin will get to ~15k Lightning Sentry damage. Additionally, -enemy light resist doesn't affect the monsters in regards to traps, as the traps are minions. I second the notion of a hybrid build, but don't expect quite the speed of the sorc for ripping through monsters. Expect a LOT more fun doing it though. As always, you're welcome to check out my Sin(s) in action as well.

[Zigot_HD]

Ah, I just realized that for MA builds that I need to charge up... hmm.. I kinda of want to just BLAST my way through Hell difficulty like my LightSorc...

Perhaps I need to make a trap sin to do the same?

If you just want to blast thru ... then make a trap-kicksin with infinity merc.

In summary :

18 or max DTalon then rest in trap skills tree ( LS, DS etc ) and get yourself a shadow master.

For sure, the killingg speed won't be comparable to your light sorc/infinity but it's a lot less boring to play ( than a pure trapper/light sorc ).

And also, a lot less boring in Uber Trist.

[Luichenwai]

Thanks all for your help and info.

I think I'm going to go with Kick Sin. I'll follow the warrior monk guide and work from there. Much appreciated!

[Luichenwai]

So I have been playing with the kick sin. She's level 18. It's actually pretty fun. I'm going through each act, NOT getting rushed (haven't done that for a LONG time). I just want to enjoy the game now.

The gear that I have lined up for the kick sin is as follows:

Guillaume
Upped Gores
Enigma or CoH
Trang gloves
Raven Frost
Angelic ring
Angelic ammy
Stormshield
Stormlash

As for Skills:
Max Death Sentry
Max Shadow Master
Max Dragon tail
Max Venom
1pt Blade Fury
Fade will be the last to dump pts into.

Someone told me to max dragon talon and not max death sentry... any reason? With all these different skills, Which one is my main/secondary etc.etc.?

I Think thats it for now. I can't remember anything else. But im pretty excited in this build.

[Silent Shaddow]

Someone told me to max dragon talon and not max death sentry... any reason? With all these different skills, Which one is my main/secondary etc.etc.?

I Think thats it for now. I can't remember anything else. But im pretty excited in this build.
maybe they want to slowly and painstakingly batter every last monster to death? :thumbsup:

:undecided:

The best killing speed comes from using death sentry to explode corpses, much like alot of nercos operate.


from here on in i would say:

do max dtalon, this is your primary melee attack.
do max dsentry, this is your kill multiplier.
dont max dtail unless you plan on using tiger strike with it

[Luichenwai]

oops.. I forgot to edit my post. After reading the Warrior-monk guide and ALL The pages to it, I've come to the conclusion that it was Dtalon, not Dtail to be maxed. Infact Dtalon needs to be at either lvl 24 or lvl 30 after skills. Anyways. Im tweaking the Warrior Monk build just a tad b/c the main skill for that build is Blade Fury. IMO I hate it.

So im left with

Lvl 24 or 30 Dtalon after skills
Max venom
Max Death Sentry
Max Shadow Master

This should be a fun build.

Gear wise, this is what I changed

Guillaume
Upped Gores
Enigma
Trang gloves
Raven Frost
Dual leech ring with some sort of resist
Highlords ammy
Stormshield
Stormlash
Thunder Gods Belt

Im actually contemplating on IK gloves and Belt combo. It gives AWESOME +stats. but i like the light absorb from tgods. It does wonders!. I would actually like some opinions about this. I wrote out the stats and bonus from the 2 IK items vs Trang gloves and Tgods

IK Gloves/Belt
Lightning Resist +31%
Fire Resist +28%
+45 Strength
+20 To Dexterity
12% Chance To Cast Level 4 Charged Bolt When Struck
+25% Increased Attack Speed
+206 Defense

Trang Gloves/TGods Belt
+20% Faster Cast Rate
Cold Resist +30%
+30 Defense
+25% Poison Skill Damage
+20 To Strength
+20 To Vitality
+160-200% Enhanced Defense (varies)
Adds 1-50 Lightning Damage
5% Chance To Cast Level 7 Fist Of The Heavens When Struck
+20 Lightning Absorb
10% To Maximum Lightning Resist



on switch perhaps double bartucs.. or CTA and Spirit or lidless

Game Play:

From what I noticed so far. For the most part i am soloing through the game. and getting the occasional help when I get stuck. This is until I found CLOAK OF SHADOWS!! Wow, this is a great life saver for me. Since im lvl 27, I dont have access to Death Sentry yet. IF I have extra pts left over, I may through a couple in here for a longer duration. I might not need it though if I have DSentry. I'm in act 5 now, worked my way to frigid highland and got the Waypoint. So far so good.

[mephiztophelez]

From what I noticed so far. For the most part i am soloing through the game. and getting the occasional help when I get stuck. This is until I found CLOAK OF SHADOWS!! Wow, this is a great life saver for me....
have you tried Mind Blast yet?

Since im lvl 27, I dont have access to Death Sentry yet. IF I have extra pts left over, I may through a couple in here for a longer duration. I might not need it though if I have DSentry.
CoS is a one point wonder. theres never any reason to put more than one point in it.

you seem to have a pretty good build going there. i lieks it, it looks a lot like characters i've built.

IK stuff is a great levellng set, but not so crash hot later in hell. for pvm, dracs just can't be beat on your hands (lifetap for immortality) and up'd gores on your feet (damage and CB!). trangs are a pvp glove. your stock-in-trade is your fast 7/3 attacks, lots of crushing blow and that oh-so-juicy ctc static charge from stormlash rather than your venom.

i'd swap that ammy for something else. DS doesn't work with kick, so your highlords is +1skills, 20ias and some lit res. if you need that IAS, use a cats-eye. if you need res or ar, use a metalgrid. some rare could also serve here. +skills aren't a huge concern for kickers. +skills are nice and all, but not worth overly stressing about (your not a trapper who really needs such things). with the huge dr from ss & enigma, you could probably run BoS rather than fade, meaning all your IAS hassles are solved.

for belt: t-gods. the "other" options would be dungos, string of ears, credendum, arach, some godly rare with 24fhr/res/stats/juicyness.

fyi: here is ilkori on kickers (http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=405240) i rekon its worth a read.

[Luichenwai]

wow great info.
I have not tried mind blast yet. Im just thrilled for CoS hehe I'll give it a try later

Hmm. Ok I guess Dracul's it is. and either MAras or metal grid for ammy.
I like tgods b/c of the light absorb. It does wonders for my lite sorc. I dance with the gloams in Act 5 Hell. hehe

[brokensvt]

Mind Blast is your friend, use it judiciously and see what happens. When swarmed, I encourage massive spamming of it, followed by a few Death Sentries at the monsters' feet.

I second Dracs for gloves. Tgods is really too good to pass up for the price. I also second the notion to dump Highlord's. It's a Barb/Zon amulet, 'nough said :)

[Rydiak]

I'm a huge fan of the Credendum belt. Resists and stats, can't go wrong!

[Luichenwai]

Well, I changed out the gloves and ammy and 1 of the rings to

Dracul's, Angelic ring/ammy gives GREAT AR Can't beat it.
So far so good

[mephiztophelez]

for pvm purposes, angelics is a little overkill. d-talon has a HUGE ar bonus on it. i'd go with a metalgrid and get something juicy for a ringslot.