Deadly Strike+Critical Strike can do 4 times dam?

[yongming]

I saw this in my diablo2 folder/support,but someone told me its wrong.can anyone explain this to me?
thanks

[stfrn]

No, if you fail a check to do one, it will try to do the other, but you can only do 2x. So if you have 50%ds and 50%cs, it will be 75% total chance of double damamge.

[Orphan]

Note too that CS from Critical Strike is rolled seperated to the CS from the masteries.

[stephan]

Note too that CS from Critical Strike is rolled seperated to the CS from the masteries.
Before or after the masteries? (if this actually matters)

EDIT:

D = A + B*(1-A)
D = A + B - B*A
D = B + A*(1-B)

so it doesn't.

[yongming]

No, if you fail a check to do one, it will try to do the other, but you can only do 2x. So if you have 50%ds and 50%cs, it will be 75% total chance of double damamge.
CS + (DS/100)*(100-CS)=50+(50/100)*(100-50)=75%
you calculated using this formular?

[yongming]

Note too that CS from Critical Strike is rolled seperated to the CS from the masteries.

can you explain this in details please?thanks,orphan

[krischan]

I guess there's not much to explain. The game simply handles it like that.

[Orphan]

can you explain this in details please?thanks,orphan

As Krischan said above, I'm not entirely sure how much more information I can give on this, but I'm always willing to try :wink3:

Essentially, having 50% CS from Critical Strike (the Amazon skill, also found on insight and peace runewords) and having 30% from one of the masteries (eg claw mastery, axe mastery, etc) would not equal 80% CS. I can't say for sure which one is rolled first, but I'd probably say the amazon skill one is, though it doesn't really make a difference. Deadly Strike is rolled last though.

[Ava]

I think the easiest way to understand is like this:

There are three separate ways to do double damage:
- Critical Strike (CS)
- Critical Strike from Weapon Mastery (CS from WM)
- Deadly Strike (DS)

Chance to do Double Damage = 100% - Chance that all three fail

Suppose you have 50%CS and 50%DS, the chance of both failing is 50%*50%=25%
So the chance of double damage is 100-25=75%

Suppose you have 50%CS, 20%CS from WM and 30%DS, the chance of all failing is 50%*80%*70%=28%
So the chance of double damage is 100-28=72%

[krischan]

Ah, my fault. I thought the questions was why it is like that. Regarding the question what the consequences are, Ava described it like I had done it :azn: . You can also conclude from it that it's irrelevant which is checked first.

[yongming]

Thank you all the guys again