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I'm pretty bored on diablo at the moment, and I wanted to see what kind of fun I could have with a woestave barb. How would I go about building one of these guys?
Thanks,
Sam
P.S. I just came across a GODLY lance, what would you recommend for a BVS/BVA speeder build? I'm thinking along the lines of:
Enough str/dex for wep,
rest vit
20 ww
20 bo
20 increased speed
20 nat resist
rest mastery
what do you think?
Good idea, but you're going to get easily crushed without maxed Mastery. For a Speeder, here's a decent build:
Max BO
Max WW
Max Mastery
Split between Nat Res and Speed. I forget the exact split between these two, but I do remember needing 13 or 14 into Speed before dumping the rest into Nat Res.
The BvA is a different build, and if you're going to use a Lance, I highly recommend sticking with a Speeder build.
- Akukami
My woebarb of last season was like this:
20 bo
20 leap
20 mastery
20 shout
1 ww
1 increased speed, battle command, rest in natural res.
I ended up using
Woestave
Rattlecage
Goblin Toe
BloodFist
Nightsmoke
HowlTusk
Angellics Rings/Amulet
Alterntively I would use Iratha's Set with Rare Rings, but for PvM the damage to mana is more useful.
This Barb was awesome in PvP especially versus range 1 barbs. Versus hammerdins that rely soley on charge desynch, it is very funny as they get so slow then bleed to death. The trick is whirling away or to the side, to use that range+knockback. I will say the main drawback is in PvM you are constantly repairing.
You can definitely do enough damage PvM with crushing blow and open wounds. Blindness cancels the howling.
Thanks for the woestave barb, i'm going to build him soon :D
Should I just put enough points in strength/dex for my gear and the rest vitality?
well I was thinking since my lancer won't be fighting any other barbarians, he won't need to do massive damage or have attack rating much over 4000. I'll do 1.6k wirlwind damage with level 1 mastery. What is your reasoning behind maxing mastery? Sorry if i'm offending you, Akukami, I respect your opinion about diablo 2. This is just my first speeder barb and I would like to know the reasoning.
Thanks for the tips guys! :thumbsup:
yeah I was barely enough str/dex. I maxed mastery instead of ww to keep the mana cost down, and woe won't benefit much more from% ed anyway.
Okay, thanks! I'm going to start on him later today.
howdidigethere
04-09-2007, 23:18
I've got a question about the terminology here. Does BvA mean baba vrs. zon or am i just imagining things?
I've often wondered about that too but I've come up with the following names on my own. Don't know if they are correct :azn:
BvB = barb vs barb
BvA = barb vs all?
BvC = barb vs caster, this is also the one called speeder right?
No I think in classic a speeder is it's own subclass of barb, but is basically a bvc/bva that is very fast.
So what's the idea behind the maxed leap if you don't mind me asking?
EagleEntek
05-09-2007, 14:53
Maxed leap = jump on a hammerdin and push him into stunlock meaning you can ww the bugger ?
Maxed leap = jump on a hammerdin and push him into stunlock meaning you can ww the bugger ?
actually, you can put anyone that doesn't have enough fhr into leap/stun lock.
it can also be a helpful way of leveling rapidly. if there's no sorc, you can leap into the cs, and a giant thumping leap has a way of even forcing fana seis, and his hoard of rat terriers on crack into submission by holding them against the wall.
in fact, my old, now deleted naga/gnasher barb had only lvl 17 leap (after a +2 ammy, two sojs, two bo sticks, silks, and tarn, so do backwards the math) and was pretty effective at leap-stunning pvm in the cs. obviously that gear is not as effective in pvp, unless you are doing team duels, and even then it'd only be a supporting role obviously.
I like to jump in place and push around everything hostile on my sreen. Not just entertaining, also effective.
sickobanza
24-09-2007, 02:57
i just made a Woebarb a few days ago, its lvl 45 right now
the current skills are:
20 Mastery
20 BO
1 Speed
1 WW
1 BC
i m planning to get speed to 10 then resistance to 10, it should be alright for MLD
the gear i planning to put on it is:
Full iratha
Rcage
30 frw w/ 20+ in CR/LR boots
AR and resist rings
i m probably gonna leave him under 70 tell me if hes any good, oh hes a runner also
I got to lvl 58 today on my wobarb, he's turning out pretty well.
So hey did either of you notice how when you ww stuff in late nightmare/hell, the monsters get REALLY slow, blind, reduced to a sliver of heath, then just spontaneously shatter seconds later due to the open wounds and hit freezes target. It's like they don't really freeze because of cold duration but they get the delayed shatter after they die of open wounds. I always thought it was the coolest thing about playing that char. I noticed it mostly with nm/hell cows because they had high life.
sickobanza
27-09-2007, 05:55
lol yep my woebarb is lvl 60 now, its ez against sorcs
dins and zons with block are a little hard since i don't have much AR, but i'll figure it out some how =/ or maybe some of you can help me out =]
lol yep my woebarb is lvl 60 now, its ez against sorcs
dins and zons with block are a little hard since i don't have much AR, but i'll figure it out some how =/ or maybe some of you can help me out =]
You don't have much ar? are you wearing angelic rings/ammy?
sickobanza
28-09-2007, 04:40
nah, i m gonna be wearing full iratha, rcage, and 30 frw boots
the only place i can get AR from are the rings =/
WarlockCC
28-09-2007, 13:17
On my Woe/Iratha barb I use gobs, Angelic armor, 1 Angelic ring and a dual leech ring when leveling.
Oh, and a second Woe in inv when the first one wears out.
Anybody take a Woebarb for a spin in CS ? How do they cope with the IM ?
IsThisNamePermanent
28-09-2007, 17:23
I got a level 60 woebarb UsWest Softcore Ladder, lvl 1 ww lvl 20 leap lvl 20 mastery lvl 1 bo lvl 1 shout lvl 1 battle command lvl 10 increased speed and pumping rest into iron skin.
Does pretty well against sorcs, necros and zons, bvb is where i fail.
On my Woe/Iratha barb I use gobs, Angelic armor, 1 Angelic ring and a dual leech ring when leveling.
Oh, and a second Woe in inv when the first one wears out.
Anybody take a Woebarb for a spin in CS ? How do they cope with the IM ?
I saw one wearing rcage and presumably gtoes in a run I did whilst leveling the 'experiment' / repper sorc. he never died to IM and he was WWing quite a bit.
no idea how much he potted however. he also did some crying/leaping.
similarily my gnasher/sback barb never died to IM, but he also couldn't leach enough mana back and having added no energy it was frustrating, especially near the vizier seal...
sickobanza
29-09-2007, 08:06
On my Woe/Iratha barb I use gobs, Angelic armor, 1 Angelic ring and a dual leech ring when leveling.
Oh, and a second Woe in inv when the first one wears out.
Anybody take a Woebarb for a spin in CS ? How do they cope with the IM ?
lol never died to IM unless it's a whole pack of monsters of 10+, if its only a few i can survive with a little less then half life since i have lvl 1 WW and 2.7k life
i thought of wearing angelic armor and ring as well, but my woebarb is a runner, if i wear gtoe i would run somewhat slower -_- only thing i can do right now is to get 100+ AR and leech from each ring
to Goomba: what was the woebarb's name?? cuz i been doing a lot of CS runs these days, my woebarbs name is CL-GGWOEBARB, and yes i m wearing an Rcage, but with 30 frw shoes
If you have a friend (or 'loader') who can enchant you, you could also wear an ITD weapon with high dura/range and low dmg (best choice: rare grand scepter with 60dura). Alternatively the Diggler (some good res, but only 20dura) or Skewer of Krintiz (25? dura).
You don't need Angelics to hit anything if you're clvl 8x and most Stranglers die in one WW, most mages in two in a full game. You can wear Rattlecage (and Goblins for the Infector) to do some damage to fire immunes and guard sorc/nec/amas. I'd also recommend using Nightsmoke and an amu with dgtm to get some mana back (since you don't have any mana-leech). The Ward is the best choice for a shield of course. Rings with lots of +mana are nice to have, too.
With this build, you're virtually immune to IM :P
sickobanza
17-10-2007, 03:11
then it won't be a woebarb anymore
>then it won't be a woebarb anymore
True, but it's not really worth making a seperate thread for ...
Seeing how it's just as weird as the Woebarb, I thought it would fit into here.
Granted, the ITD/ench combo only really useful if you're doing 2/8 with a BlizzSorc because there's no hammerdin around or other char that can kill the ci mobs (Seis, mages, stranglers).
>then it won't be a woebarb anymore
True, but it's not really worth making a seperate thread for ...
Seeing how it's just as weird as the Woebarb, I thought it would fit into here.
Granted, the ITD/ench combo only really useful if you're doing 2/8 with a BlizzSorc because there's no hammerdin around or other char that can kill the ci mobs (Seis, mages, stranglers).
Sure there is. WW Barb. Only if you're brave, of course. :thumbsup:
- Akukami
for the record, enchanting is I think a bad idea. sure it ups the AR. but it would seem that in my experience at least that for some weird reason at least part of the chant's damage is returned via IM.
I routinely leaped into CS's wearing a rezzy shield, and carrying a bo stick on the way in. During those days, I also routinely would WW through a pack rather than leap over, if my landing spot looked crowded. - with the "chance to flee" on the bo stick I had at the time it worked good, and I didn't do enough damage to worry about IM, unless someone happened to be leveling a chanter in the game and felt it necessary to chant me before I started leaping...
I had several close calls with IM whilst chanted (and the alarming drop in the red bulb during those WW's) but never otherwise...
2h dueling strategies for woebarb anyone?
My bar is a leaper variant and attempts to be BvA, using Damric's build on page 1.
For me, the problem duelers are other barbs, and necros
BVB: Half the time it seems to work, although the lack of shield always gets me...
I would try to range, but this other barb with range 3 exe would always kill me 1h AND 2h. A follow-up ww would always hit me as I tried ww'ing away perpendicular. Is it even possible to compete? He also had 30 frw boots while i had either gobs/20 frw boots on and he seemed too fast with the follow-up ww...therefore I couldnt bleed and slow him into submission..
Bone Nec: The faster ones are always a hair away from my leap... How can I aim my leap so that i leap right on top, and then ww... it seems right when I land, they run just a hair away and I miss the ww. Missed ww leads to getting prisoned and pounded by spirits... help?
Hammerdins: those with high fcr/ or just plain old hacks have a seemingly wall of hammers, with desynch and charging, they are tough to get a ww on, and then if they have high defence too... game over
As of now, my 60 woebarb has no increased speed at all. Is 1 point sufficient? Should I put more against other characters? I was leaning towards a speed/nat res split... but I'm not too sure what will help out more with this unique weapon.
Gear selection: I have geared the barb to Damric's build
Belt: I think the Nightsmoke belt is out of place... Should it be replaced by a good rare?
Gloves + Helm: ...also, knockback factor is helpful in pvp, but should Bfist and Howltusk be replaced with a good Grim helm + clegs gloves?
Armor + boots: Rcage + Gtoes seem to work... would blinkbat + frw/fhr boots give the woebarb an edge vs bone nec?
I know woebarbs cannot be the best duelers, but I have faith that they could have at least a shot at killing these characters
help/suggestions?
sirwhere
09-03-2008, 21:42
You need a pretty good connection to outrange a BVB. Something like 50-ish ping. Higher than that whirls get too imprecise and the lack of shield then kills you.
Hi chocO,
I have a 70 woebarb on west right now.
Like sirwhere said, ping is important to outrange and own bvb, but you won't beat high damage lancers anyway.
Usually leap is good enough vs necros. You don't do enough damage to kill yourself with iron maiden, but decrepify can be a pain.
Nightsmoke is for pvm to help with mana.
I have been making hell games with a baron and rejoining and clearing cs with my lord woebarb for nice bug Diablo rare drops since level 60 now.
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