Black - What weapon?

[williesteele]

One thing I dont understand is why people suggest "Black" in a scourge over a Phase Blade for a smiter/uber runner, since you need 25% extra ias for 6 fpa smite compared to a Phase Blades 0 extra. I mean You only use black for the smite as I understand so the wep dmg is not important right? Am I missing something here?

[mainaman]

One thing I dont understand is why people suggest "Black" in a scourge over a Phase Blade for a smiter/uber runner, since you need 25% extra ias for 6 fpa smite compared to a Phase Blades 0 extra. I mean You only use black for the smite as I understand so the wep dmg is not important right? Am I missing something here?its cheaper than making last wish/grief
while giving you a good amount of CB

[ambid]

Black

3 Socket Clubs/Hammers/Maces

Thul + Io + Nef

+120% Enhanced Damage
40% Chance Of Crushing Blow
+200 To Attack Rating
Adds 3-14 Cold Damage - Cold Duration 3 Seconds
+10 To Vitality
15% Increased Attack Speed
Knockback
Magic Damage Reduced By 2
Level 4 Corpse Explosion (12 Charges)

As you see, black can only be made in clubs, hammers and maces. It can not be made in phase blade. Thats why people suggest scourge.

[brokensvt]

His question was regarding the base weapon type to make Black in, not what runeword to use. The fact of the matter is that Black can't be made in swords first of all.
In regards to Scourge vs. Knout vs. Flail: Basically, the scourge provides sufficient damage to finish the Ubers when CB isn't providing much effect. Remember that CB is effectively removing a % of a monster's HP's, and(for number's sake) 10% of 100,000 is a bit more than 10% of 100 is a bit more than 10% of 10, etc. That extra damage is nice to remove the last "sliver."

[williesteele]

Lol I suck didnt see the "no sword" thing. Thnx for saving me an io guys and thnx for the further info.

[Lucky_Seven]

Best option is black in a Flail(with -10 speed is the faster Club/Hammer/Mace ).

In smite the damage of weapon doesn't matter unless thats +xxx damage like in grief.

For black Flail > Scourge cause of low req.

[korialstraz]

but if you have the str req for a scourge because of other equipment, why not use it to more quickly remove that last sliver of health left ;)

[Lucky_Seven]

but if you have the str req for a scourge because of other equipment, why not use it to more quickly remove that last sliver of health left ;)

Cause with smite skill, Flail and Scourge do same damage.
In Smite Damage comes from shield not weapon. zero = zero.

[LordJalgot]

One good thing with the scourge is it's durability is 65 and not 30, hate it when they break in the middle of ubertrist.

[Dr Elmer Jiggle]

The reason I like the scourge is that it's a little more versatile. If all you ever plan to do is smite, then the flail is better due to its lower requirements and equal damage, but your typical Uber runner is a zealot with 1 point in smite. He smites the Ubers, but he zeals everything else. Ideally you might have a different weapon if you're planning on doing a lot of zealing, but there are times when you just need to quickly switch to zeal to kill a few minions, and when that happens, the scourge will help you out.

[Ed from Russia]

I'd say if you rely on Physical damage you should go with a Knout or Scourge. A Scourge has high requirements but the damage is worth it. If you just need the CB (e.g. Frost Zealot, Tesladin) you can use a Flail.

I'm using a Black flail right now for my Frost Zealot. It's very effective but the Knockback is somewhat annoying. Still, until I find myself a cheap Heaven's Light or Stormlash it's probably the best option.