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Am I the only one who's finding this sudden glut of "games" popping up to be incredibly annoying? I tend to be rather easygoing, but it seems like a new one pops up every day, just as senseless and pointless as the last. Maybe I'm just overreacting - I haven't had the greatest few days, due to lack of eating properly - but every time I see a new one, I can feel an imaginary red line rise higher.
Am I the only person who feels this way, or am I a complete and total wacko? Well, more than I was previously?
Paladine
02-07-2007, 08:37
For the most part the games are irrelivant and annoying. But every once in a while there are some fun games to mess around with while wasting time at work and aren't bad at all. Either way, no need to partake in them if you don't want to.
I know, and I don't take part in them. But somehow, they seem... spammier, than is normally accepted on the OTF board. I mean, a lot of what's on here serves no real purpose, but the "game" threads really take that to a new level.
Another one of those "definitely didn't warrant a new thread, if you don't like it don't participate" situations. I am astonished that it bothers you, that is just weird.
FrankWest
02-07-2007, 08:44
Yeah, most of 'em seem ridiculously pointless. But I don't see it as being much of a big deal. I mean... don't like a thread/don't think it's warranted, you can always just ignore it. And if it's above and beyond stupidity, you can just report it.
It's really no biggie. But yeah, I know all about bad days. :wink3: I think we've all had them. Everything/everyone just becomes that much more obnoxious.
{KOW}Spazed
02-07-2007, 08:49
I bet some people think the 'debates' that happen here are done just for the +1.
I say if a good sized group of people is still posting in the thread let it go. If it is two people playing corrupt wish for 9000 posts, then lock/delete.
I don't consider them spam though, they have a topic, stick to it, and generally get people talking.
Just ignore them, is it that hard..
EliManning
02-07-2007, 09:26
They are kinda lame but whatever.
I figure this forum is mostly for talking about random and/or stupid crap, so don't let people tell you not to talk about this. The ones telling you to just ignore what you don't like are also usually the first ones to start a fight about something they don't like, so again I guess yet another OTF problem is solved with an answer of "whatever."
memememe173
02-07-2007, 09:27
Problem: Thread
Solution: Don't click it.
EliManning
02-07-2007, 09:47
Problem: Ten people said that already
Solution: Be the eleventh, because hey, at least now it isn't ten
memememe173
02-07-2007, 09:56
Problem: Ten people said that already
Solution: Be the eleventh, because hey, at least now it isn't ten
What can I say? I say things when others aren't willing.
If no-one likes it then it doesn't get bumped and disappears, welcome to the free market. If you don't like the taste of the masses and the cheap, repetitive, mindless drivel they love paying to see churned out ad nauseum then welcome to my world.
What can I say? I say things when others aren't willing.
Except those "unwilling others" have already said it. Many times.
If no-one likes it then it doesn't get bumped and disappears, welcome to the free market. If you don't like the taste of the masses and the cheap, repetitive, mindless drivel they love paying to see churned out ad nauseum then welcome to my world.
Well, THAT settles it... seems like I HAVE gone off the deep end. Dondrei and I feel the same way about something.
Not that that helps anything, of course..
If no-one likes it then it doesn't get bumped and disappears
The problem lies with people who reply to anything whether it's relevent or not, in order to get the +1.
I'm not convinced that the forums games work well. They seem to either result in spam or confusion or ... disagreements.
But they're still better than "what are you listening to" threads. *yawn*
They are kinda lame but whatever.
I am of this opinion, too. I don't see a problem with them as long as there aren't more than two or so going at once. It IS annoying when the front page is littered with 5 of them. I would then close them to clean the place up. Sometimes you have to get out the vacuum cleaner around here.
SelfReliant
02-07-2007, 17:32
If only there were VS threads that would be much better than game threads
If only there were VS threads that would be much better than game threads
Mohamed Ali vs Mike Tyson when both were in their primes?
If only there were VS threads that would be much better than game threads
No. If that happened, I wouldn't be the only person wanting to smack someone.
WildBerry
02-07-2007, 18:48
Hey now that Freet is gone, is the ban on the VS threads gone too? :laugh:
Hey now that Freet is gone, is the ban on the VS threads gone too? :laugh:
This is a great question! If I can post a vs. thread, my first one will be:
buttershug vs Elimanning
Seeing as how I started this thread to do my own griping about forum games, I'd like to respectfully request that we not start discussing vs. threads here. You want to do that, figure out if the mods will allow it and start a new thread for it, please.
{KOW}Spazed
02-07-2007, 19:04
The problem lies with people who reply to anything whether it's relevent or not, in order to get the +1.
I'm not convinced that the forums games work well. They seem to either result in spam or confusion or ... disagreements.
But they're still better than "what are you listening to" threads. *yawn*
If they are sticking to the game or having a decent discussion, who cares? The +1 doesn't really matter and as Dacar said there are only ever a couple game threads at any one time.
THe listening to threads are also fun, I've come across tons of music in those threads. Sometimes it is pretty obscure, I doubt I would know about it otherwise.
Just because you don't like a thread genre or only feel debate/question threads are legit because of their longer posts doesn't make it so. Game threads serve a purpose too. Plus have the debate threads here say the same damn stuff we've said in 120398342309 threads exactly like it.
If they are sticking to the game or having a decent discussion, who cares?
Please re-read my post; you have obviously not understood it. I was referring to people who respond to anything with any piece of nonsense. That's what bumps. Not actually making a coherent and relevent post.
Just because you don't like a thread genre or only feel debate/question threads are legit because of their longer posts doesn't make it so. Game threads serve a purpose too. Plus have the debate threads here say the same damn stuff we've said in 120398342309 threads exactly like it.
Yeah, you have totally mis-read my post. And that's why I rarely post here. Posters form opinions and don't actually read the words. It's very cliquey here. Back to the other Sub-forums. Sorry to have intruded.
TjejKast
02-07-2007, 19:35
Please re-read my post; you have obviously not understood it. I was referring to people who respond to anything with any piece of nonsense. That's what bumps. Not actually making a coherent and relevent post.
Yeah, you have totally mis-read my post. And that's why I rarely post here. Posters form opinions and don't actually read the words. It's very cliquey here. Back to the other Sub-forums. Sorry to have intruded.
kthxbye .
{KOW}Spazed
02-07-2007, 19:39
Please re-read my post; you have obviously not understood it. I was referring to people who respond to anything with any piece of nonsense. That's what bumps. Not actually making a coherent and relevent post.
Yeah, you have totally mis-read my post. And that's why I rarely post here. Posters form opinions and don't actually read the words. It's very cliquey here. Back to the other Sub-forums. Sorry to have intruded.
I see, so being an elitist jackass is ok then? Got ya.
You said you didn't like people posting random things for the +1, I responded by saying the game threads aren't random. Afterall this is a thread about the games ruining the forums, seemed applicable to me. I guess I was wrong.
Also thanks for assuming that my entire post was directed at you, if you look my second 'paragraph' talks about the last part of your post. My third paragraph was clarification of my stance on the thread overall as a general statement meant for anyone reading the thread.
Congrats though, you do nothing in the OTF but tell us we all suck and hijack your boring threads when your questions have been answered. Funny how you seem to hate us so much, yet keep coming back.
WildBerry
02-07-2007, 19:58
Seeing as how I started this thread to do my own griping about forum games, I'd like to respectfully request that we not start discussing vs. threads here. You want to do that, figure out if the mods will allow it and start a new thread for it, please.
Just tried to pull a prank on you, knowing you wouldn't approve. Sorry about the discomfort the thought might've caused. :smiley:
Congrats though, you do nothing in the OTF but tell us we all suck and hijack your boring threads when your questions have been answered. Funny how you seem to hate us so much, yet keep coming back.
We all need our nemesis.
I see his behaviour no different - or more condemnable, for that matter - from posting to a newspaper's readers' column telling how the nature of any given topic of discussion is of low quality. Sure, it's not productive, but then again, what here is? And while he might at times be harsh (surely we've few among us who are not able to do that), that critical stance often brings a point to consider for the over-eager enthusiasts like myself.
{KOW}Spazed
02-07-2007, 20:10
We all need our nemesis.
I see his behaviour no different - or more condemnable, for that matter - from posting to a newspaper's readers' column telling how the nature of any given topic of discussion is of low quality. Sure, it's not productive, but then again, what here is? And while he might at times be harsh (surely we've few among us who are not able to do that), that critical stance often brings a point to consider for the over-eager enthusiasts like myself.
It's the irony that bothers me, he complains about the OTF being cliquish while at the same time being a snob and saying we are beneath him. He also complains about the OTF being worthless, yet continues to post here. To top it all off he does it in a thread where the answer to the problem is "Don't like it, don't click on it."
You said you didn't like people posting random things for the +1, I responded by saying the game threads aren't random. Afterall this is a thread about the games ruining the forums, seemed applicable to me. I guess I was wrong.
Now now, let's not put words in my mouth, shall we? I said nothing about the games ruining the forum; I said that they were annoying me, personally, and wanted to "take the pulse" of the forum so to speak, to find out if I was the only one annoyed by them. So far, there seems to be more people who are more or less okay with them, from what I've seen, than people who share my sentiments.
Just tried to pull a prank on you, knowing you wouldn't approve. Sorry about the discomfort the thought might've caused. :smiley:
Haha, no worries - I was just afraid of the response it would bring about. I do know these forums, after all. Thankfully I appear to have been able to nip it in the bud, to a point.
EliManning
02-07-2007, 23:15
I am of this opinion, too. I don't see a problem with them as long as there aren't more than two or so going at once. It IS annoying when the front page is littered with 5 of them. I would then close them to clean the place up. Sometimes you have to get out the vacuum cleaner around here.
Actually now that I've thought twice, I do kinda see a problem with assassins or assassin-like games. Unlike the others, those games are usually set up to require players to spill over into other threads and disrupt hundreds of conversations. And even the legitimate posts those players make get cluttered up with a bunch of game codes like the booby traps, etc. All the other games still get my official whatever stamp though.
Actually now that I've thought twice, I do kinda see a problem with assassins or assassin-like games. Unlike the others, those games are usually set up to require players to spill over into other threads and disrupt hundreds of conversations. And even the legitimate posts those players make get cluttered up with a bunch of game codes like the booby traps, etc. All the other games still get my official whatever stamp though.
I pretty much agree with this. Games are fine because I don't have to click on them to see them, but you're almost forced to see assassins.
NinjaSoD
03-07-2007, 01:33
I started the chain ftw ;)
I'm the first one that made the in my pants and corrupt a wish games.
inanefedaykin
03-07-2007, 01:41
Acctualy, the games are quite old it's just that no one gave enough of a rats *** to post them.
Meh, I'm ok with game threads. If they don't interest me, I look around, something shiny (or bouncy) catches my eye, and I carry on. :laugh:
I started the chain ftw ;)
I'm the first one that made the in my pants and corrupt a wish games.
I'm aware.
inanefedaykin
03-07-2007, 05:30
Quickly, get him while he aint looking!
I believe Dacar has said that the vs. ban stays in place at least for the moment.
The problem with them was that people went nuts and made a zillion.
The problem lies with people who reply to anything whether it's relevent or not, in order to get the +1.
I'm not convinced that the forums games work well. They seem to either result in spam or confusion or ... disagreements.
But they're still better than "what are you listening to" threads. *yawn*
There's not enough of them for that to be a problem, and anyway you can always just not click on the link.
RazCotton
03-07-2007, 16:58
I dont understand - if the mod locked them in the first place why they would go on and make the EXACT same threads again...
And I'm not sure why the mods dont lock them up - either way...I do enjoy the corrupt a wish game..
jakotaco
03-07-2007, 17:38
I dont understand - if the mod locked them in the first place why they would go on and make the EXACT same threads again...
And I'm not sure why the mods dont lock them up - either way...I do enjoy the corrupt a wish game..
just found out that there was a corrupt a wish game many years ago... http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=129919&page=166 that thread went insanely long...
Funny thing is that the last wish was "I wish this game would never end"
Athelstan
03-07-2007, 19:10
Yeah, you have totally mis-read my post. And that's why I rarely post here. Posters form opinions and don't actually read the words. It's very cliquey here. Back to the other Sub-forums. Sorry to have intruded.
Good riddance. By the way, most of the sub-forums you post in are far more cliquey then the OTF ever will be, especially the Community Forum.
I think the Forum Assassin game is fun to watch, simply because it always devolves into a flamefest concerning the rules and stuff. Watching Gorny throw a fit in the last round was classic. I do agree that the other 30 game threads get old, but I can usually ignore them easily enough.
When it comes around election time, is someone going to post a thread complaining about the sudden piles of political threads?
Probably not, they'll just deride those threads inside those threads.
buttershug
03-07-2007, 23:23
Acctualy, the games are quite old it's just that no one gave enough of a rats *** to post them.
Before the latest rash of game threads I had contemplated starting a new "add a word make a story thread".
But it would have been to see if it could last as many as five posts before someone screwed it up.
My first post would have been;
there .
inanefedaykin
03-07-2007, 23:44
I would have followed up with
There once .
Dii Legend
04-07-2007, 15:35
Before the latest rash of game threads I had contemplated starting a new "add a word make a story thread".
But it would have been to see if it could last as many as five posts before someone screwed it up.
My first post would have been;
there .I've seen threads like that in another forum, and they tend to last a long time. One of them was adding three words to the end of what the last person said, one was the "ban the above poster" that I tried to start here (I'm actually glad that one died...), another is similar to the "corrupt a wish" game we have now, and then there was the "The Person Below Me" (TPBM) game that are the most "popular."
Ash Housewares
04-07-2007, 21:14
some games I hate more than others
person below me, I absolutely loathe that one
and I really fricken hate RATE MY AVATAR threads
I'm getting sick of Canadians posting complaint threads. This travesty must cease at once.
Personally, I hate forum games. It is just an excuse to post nothing and gain post count. But many people like them and they say they have fun. I guess I can see that. We don't want to make this place inhospitable, like Venus is, so we allow them. No big deal. If you don't like them, don't enter them. Additionally, as already said, as long as there aren't more than two or so going at once we'll be OK.
Vs threads are still out unless someone can convince me otherwise. PM me, I'd like to hear why they should be reinstated, or why they should stay banned. Thanks for the input.
Someone mentioned political threads next year during the American elections. I will post a thread soon to determine how the forum wants to handle them when that time comes next year.
Why are any limitations on discussions even being considered, outside of what is already covered by the forum rules? If people want to make threads that aren't in contravention of the forum rules, they should be allowed to do so. Or, change the rules. In an open-subject forum like the OTF, the worst thing you can do is too heavily police people's thoughts.
The moderators and admins should use the following as a stock answer: If you don't like a thread subject, do not read the thread.
I think the idea, Bortaz, is that there comes a point where you have to draw the line between what is reasonable, and when it becomes needless spam. One or two game threads I could live with, but if I'm not mistaken we have four or five floating around pointlessly right now - or at least, did when I started this thread.
buttershug
04-07-2007, 23:48
What about the upcoming Ontario elections?
Don't we rate high enough for restrictions as well?
Seriously, you don't want it to be like the community forum when the ladder reset and every posible angle had 3 or 4 threads.
For example four or five "what have you found" threads.
I would think we won't need more than a half dozen different threads for the American election.
But there will probably be lots of people starting a thread that is similiar to one already started.
FrankWest
04-07-2007, 23:52
but if I'm not mistaken we have four or five floating around pointlessly right now - or at least, did when I started this thread.
But does having four or five game threads prevent you from doing absolutely anything at all? At worst, you have to click on the '2' to get to the next page, then you make a reply to the topic you actually DO like - and bam, it's back at the top of the list.
Natural selection. If people like a thread, it'll stay. If they don't, it'll die.
Now if people start double and triple posting, yeah, there's a problem. If there's two people posting back and forth in a thread for a couple pages, yeah, there's a problem - they should probably take it to PMs, since no one else is showing interest. If five or six (or more) people are having fun playing a game... where's the problem?
It looks like spam, because... a good number of people are actively posting in a thread! I don't see how that can be considered a bad thing, as long as people are enjoying themselves. :scratch:
jakotaco
05-07-2007, 00:03
Ladies and gentlemen, may I introduce the "+1 game"
Rules are simple, player1 posts "+ 1" and then it's up to all the other players to be the first one posting, points are awarded based on who got the "+ 1" first, in it's more advanced form the games is also supposed to include booby traps and such, but as that would be to similar to the forums assasin game we just keep it to speedposting...
Now that would be quite a game... :scratch:
FrankWest
05-07-2007, 00:14
Now that would be quite a game... :scratch:
Yeah, that's a good game. The only problem with that game is that it invariably leads to the 'omg spammer' game.
As soon as the '+1 game' starts, or someone simply posts something that 'person x' doesn't like, disagrees with, or thinks isn't worth their time - they then reply with "omg you're all spammers stop spamming +1 spam spam spam!", thus not only failing to contribute, but also taking away any fun the people involved may have been having - and turning it into something personal. :smiley:
In the end there can be only one.
I think the idea, Bortaz, is that there comes a point where you have to draw the line between what is reasonable, and when it becomes needless spam. One or two game threads I could live with, but if I'm not mistaken we have four or five floating around pointlessly right now - or at least, did when I started this thread.
What makes the threads pointless? If members of this forum are posting in them and enjoying them, why should you be able to arbitrarily dismiss them as pointless and have the mods close them? Personally, I don't think they add much to the forum, so I don't often post in them or read them.
On the same level, I don't think most of your posts add much to the forum, and I likewise skip them as well.
Maybe they should just ban you so I won't have to see your posts anymore.
{KOW}Spazed
05-07-2007, 00:21
So the complaints about game threads as I see it are:
1. Spam to get a +1
2. Too many, I have to *gasp* look at the second page sometimes
3. The intertubes are only for serious. (http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/6703/cb38cb5004473ea6ba5e8f8sc0.jpg)
I'm really surprised that so many people care about people getting the +1, last time we took a poll way less than half the forums said they cared about post counts at all. Plus IIRC you can turn them off in the User CP.
If they are taking up too much space, either make a thread that interests you or look at the second page. It isn't hard and the auto-bump feature makes threads a survival of the fittest scenario anyway. If more people want to play games than have the 11 billionth Iraq War thread or talk about obscure politics, let them be. Forums evolve, the posters here now are drastically different from 4-5 years ago, it is something you have to deal with.
The OTF used to have Pic Wars and story games all the time. We still had serious debates, but there was some fun too. Personally I think it is far worse to have the same 3-5 people going in circles about semantics and 'what actually happened' in essentially the same topic as last week than to have a few game threads.
As for PMing about Versus threads, I'm kind of at a loss for why this subject needs to be kept so private. I know this is a privately run forum, which doesn't guarantee freedom of speech and calling the mods out on something publicly can be rude, but this is a forum wide issue not just a private one. It effects everyone, so I think it is only fair to let everyone see the issues presented by others. Who knows, if we were allowed to talk it out some more we might actually agree on something. The threads were banned because pointless threads were made using the title, not because the real threads were worthless. We threw out the baby with the bath water there.
Ash Housewares
05-07-2007, 00:24
In an open-subject forum like the OTF, the worst thing you can do is too heavily police people's thoughts.
think what you like, but there may be no need to make a thread on it
a limit to threads created, not posts made, thats what I'm in favor of
think what you like, but there may be no need to make a thread on it
a limit to threads created, not posts made, thats what I'm in favor of
Why? And, isn't there a rule against purposely taking a thread off topic? If I have a thought, and want to discuss it, and there's not a thread about the subject already, where can I open my discussion? On another site?
What you're advocating is a censorship of discussion. You're wanting to dictate what everyone else reads and talks about.
Ash Housewares
05-07-2007, 00:33
don't you ****ing tell me what I'm talking about, what I am advocating, what I am dictating!
if there is a thread about the NBA draft, you don't need to make a new thread to announce who your team drafted, you can post it in the existing thread
if there is a thread about a hot button issue, you don't need to make a new thread for every reveal of information, you can post in the existing thread
if there is a thread for movie reviews, you don't necessarily need to make a thread for a new movie review unless you wish to specifically discuss that movie
that is what I'm advocating, so how about next time you ask me what I think instead of ****ing telling me what I think
Watch your language, eh?
If there is a game thread already, but I want to play a totally different game, I'll make a new thread. It's that simple.
EDIT: By the way, when you feel like reverting back to adulthood, let me know, and we'll see about continuing our discussion.
Ash Housewares
05-07-2007, 00:41
Watch your language, eh?
If there is a game thread already, but I want to play a totally different game, I'll make a new thread. It's that simple.
EDIT: By the way, when you feel like reverting back to adulthood, let me know, and we'll see about continuing our discussion.
if you want to apologize for addressing me in the manner by which you did in your previous post I will be all ears, but until then there is nothing else to say
if I can't give my opinion without such a rude attack then there is isn't any use for remaining here
If you think that was rude, you've led a sheltered life.
Highlight the rude part for me, would you?
Why? And, isn't there a rule against purposely taking a thread off topic? If I have a thought, and want to discuss it, and there's not a thread about the subject already, where can I open my discussion? On another site?
What you're advocating is a censorship of discussion. You're wanting to dictate what everyone else reads and talks about.
Ash Housewares
05-07-2007, 01:22
look, you can never quite tell what is going to really piss someone off, especially when you spend all your time online trying to get under people's skin, at some point you're going to get a lucky shot
lately there have been some forumwide issues I have not been enjoying dealing with, some people like to pretend they know everything about me and label me either because it makes it easier for them to disregard what I have to say, or because they want to paint me as whatever evil it is they're crusading against. Either way I find it unacceptable, to be accused of things I haven't done or assigned beliefs that I do not have really irks me.
We're on the internet, none of you really knows me, but that doesn't mean you can go trying to fill in the blanks with whatever random crap you feel like and make wild assumptions about me. All you know is what I say, and what I say is on its own, don't add anything to it, if I wanted to say more I would, if I wanted to oppress everyone and ban fun I'd say it, why not, but did I? or have I been saying one thing, and been accused of another? multiple times... called a spammer, or a troll, when all I've been doing is posting the same as anyone else. I do not like being put in a position where I have to defend myself once again for something I never did nor said.
This happens too often for my liking, some of you have some notion of who I am and you treat me in a manner that I find disrespectful. I try to show all of you respect but I'm sure at some time or another I've failed, and to everyone who has been on the receiving end of my past actions, I apologize, I don't want to hold you to a standard that I can't attain, but civility is all I'm after, to be able to post here without immediately being called a spammer, to be taken seriously when I post seriously, not treated like some joke.
alot of that wasn't directed at you bortaz, but I am dealing with too much crap here
no one here has to agree with me, all I ask for is a little civility; I seem to respond poorly when it is absent
What makes the threads pointless? If members of this forum are posting in them and enjoying them, why should you be able to arbitrarily dismiss them as pointless and have the mods close them? Personally, I don't think they add much to the forum, so I don't often post in them or read them.
On the same level, I don't think most of your posts add much to the forum, and I likewise skip them as well.
Maybe they should just ban you so I won't have to see your posts anymore.
I called the threads are pointless because they aren't serving as a basis for conversation, trade of information, or anything to that effect. They're just a giant list of +1's, made because people are bored and have nothing better to do.
If the mods feel that has a place here, or that I'm wrong, great. Clearly they don't have a problem with them, or at least don't feel that the threads break the rules, because they're still there. I never asked that the threads be taken down, or that anyone be banned - I stated that they were annoying me, personally, and asked if anyone else felt the same way. I wanted to "take the pulse", so to speak, of the forum. That said, it appears that for the most part my stance was a singular one; Most people, even if they think the game threads aren't worthwhile, are happy with a live and let live situation, and more importantly, have expressed no feelings of annoyance on the same level that I've had. Which is all I was asking in the first place.
Dii Legend
05-07-2007, 01:47
civility is all I'm after, to be able to post here without immediately being called a spammer, to be taken seriously when I post seriously, not treated like some joke.That happened to me a lot. At first it was annoying, but I've learned to live with it. I don't expect it to stop any time soon either. Why should anyone let what other people think affect their enjoyment of being here?
@OP ~ General consensus(?) seems to be that game threads are fine, but too many can be rather annoying. I don't really mind them...if I don't want to play, then there's no need to click on it.
civility is all I'm after, to be able to post here without immediately being called a spammer, to be taken seriously when I post seriously, not treated like some joke.
A fair expectation to have.
some games I hate more than others
person below me, I absolutely loathe that one
and I really fricken hate RATE MY AVATAR threads
Yes, those are both big offenders.
look, you can never quite tell what is going to really piss someone off, especially when you spend all your time online trying to get under people's skin, at some point you're going to get a lucky shot
lately there have been some forumwide issues I have not been enjoying dealing with, some people like to pretend they know everything about me and label me either because it makes it easier for them to disregard what I have to say, or because they want to paint me as whatever evil it is they're crusading against. Either way I find it unacceptable, to be accused of things I haven't done or assigned beliefs that I do not have really irks me.
We're on the internet, none of you really knows me, but that doesn't mean you can go trying to fill in the blanks with whatever random crap you feel like and make wild assumptions about me. All you know is what I say, and what I say is on its own, don't add anything to it, if I wanted to say more I would, if I wanted to oppress everyone and ban fun I'd say it, why not, but did I? or have I been saying one thing, and been accused of another? multiple times... called a spammer, or a troll, when all I've been doing is posting the same as anyone else. I do not like being put in a position where I have to defend myself once again for something I never did nor said.
This happens too often for my liking, some of you have some notion of who I am and you treat me in a manner that I find disrespectful. I try to show all of you respect but I'm sure at some time or another I've failed, and to everyone who has been on the receiving end of my past actions, I apologize, I don't want to hold you to a standard that I can't attain, but civility is all I'm after, to be able to post here without immediately being called a spammer, to be taken seriously when I post seriously, not treated like some joke.
alot of that wasn't directed at you bortaz, but I am dealing with too much crap here
no one here has to agree with me, all I ask for is a little civility; I seem to respond poorly when it is absent
Everyone gets that, you get more than your fair share because of your postcount and forum presence, for what it's worth you have my sympathies.
P.S. I'm trying to be nice, not sarcastic, if it doesn't come across that way then put it down to that being unnatural for me.
I called the threads are pointless because they aren't serving as a basis for conversation, trade of information, or anything to that effect. They're just a giant list of +1's, made because people are bored and have nothing better to do.
The entire reason for the existence of this site, years and years after this game game out, is because we're all bored and have nothing to do.
For what it's worth, I tend to agree with the stance Bortaz is taking here.
I also agree with what Ash said about keeping like topics in the single threads, but I don't think Bortaz disagreed with that.
I don't understand the complaining about the +1s. Just turn post counts off if you care so much that other people are gaining posts. Heck, the admins could turn off people's post counts for all I care, I don't see a purpose in having them.
This forum is for discussion and having fun. Like folks have said, what's fun to do and fun to discuss or talk about is in the eye of the beholder. If the masses think a game thread is fun or a vs. thread is fun, then they will post in it. If people find serious discussion threads fun, then they can post in those.
My vote (obviously) is for little to zero moderation on the content of what is being posted here if it is within the forum rules. Obviously, we need some moderation from time to time if a flame war breaks out, or when bots post. If two threads get posted with the same subject, simply merge them and move on.
If people enjoy rating each others avatars, good for them. If people enjoy discussing the outcome of Bruce Lee fighting a gorilla, good for them. If people enjoy discussing politics or world events, good for them. If people enjoy reading some funnies or jokes, good for them. You get the idea.
This is an off topic forum. If we wanna change the use of that forum, or direct it a certain way, then that needs to be made public and the name of this forum changed.
Until then, let people do or talk about what they want within the forum rules.
If anything needs to be policed on this forum, it's long term trolls like maccool. But no, he's allowed to continue to flame people, while we all worry about some newbie poster making a game thread or two.
The long term troll thing, at least, we can agree on, Bortaz - Mac walks the line of what should and shouldn't be appropriate, though I can't think of much he's done recently that went to the wrong side of that. Then again, I don't spend as much time on these forums as I used to.
WildBerry
06-07-2007, 01:18
look, you can never quite tell what is going to really piss someone off, especially when you spend all your time online trying to get under people's skin, at some point you're going to get a lucky shot
lately there have been some forumwide issues I have not been enjoying dealing with, some people like to pretend they know everything about me and label me either because it makes it easier for them to disregard what I have to say, or because they want to paint me as whatever evil it is they're crusading against. Either way I find it unacceptable, to be accused of things I haven't done or assigned beliefs that I do not have really irks me.
We're on the internet, none of you really knows me, but that doesn't mean you can go trying to fill in the blanks with whatever random crap you feel like and make wild assumptions about me. All you know is what I say, and what I say is on its own, don't add anything to it, if I wanted to say more I would, if I wanted to oppress everyone and ban fun I'd say it, why not, but did I? or have I been saying one thing, and been accused of another? multiple times... called a spammer, or a troll, when all I've been doing is posting the same as anyone else. I do not like being put in a position where I have to defend myself once again for something I never did nor said.
This happens too often for my liking, some of you have some notion of who I am and you treat me in a manner that I find disrespectful. I try to show all of you respect but I'm sure at some time or another I've failed, and to everyone who has been on the receiving end of my past actions, I apologize, I don't want to hold you to a standard that I can't attain, but civility is all I'm after, to be able to post here without immediately being called a spammer, to be taken seriously when I post seriously, not treated like some joke.
alot of that wasn't directed at you bortaz, but I am dealing with too much crap here
no one here has to agree with me, all I ask for is a little civility; I seem to respond poorly when it is absent
Wow. He means business.
Ash just used capital letters for a while.
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On a serious note, while I am not surprised to see you post sensibly, I am surprised to see you post with such a gravity. Thought your skin was thicker than almost anyone's. I hope I cause you no unpleasurable sensations.
ModeratelyConfused
06-07-2007, 01:42
Once again, there are more people *****ing about +1's than there are spammers.
Good job.
NinjaSoD
06-07-2007, 02:53
Once again, there are more people *****ing about +1's
No clue what you just said since it's censored, so I'm going to go with my instincts and type the most rash, unthought-out question I could ask.
Isn't "***ing" about +1's basically spamming? o_O
Jesus.
Since when did it become ok to use curse words in the forums this much.
Jesus.
Since when did it become ok to use curse words in the forums this much.
They must think it's cool. I guess I am getting old. I would like it if you all would stop giving the word filter a work out, please.
If anything needs to be policed on this forum, it's long term trolls like maccool. But no, he's allowed to continue to flame people, while we all worry about some newbie poster making a game thread or two.
He has gotten soooooo much better in the last month or two. I actually enjoy his one liners now. He is still rather acerbic, but it actually has a little bit of value as opposed to a few months ago when he was just plain mean.
EliManning
06-07-2007, 09:11
So the complaints about game threads as I see it are:
1. Spam to get a +1
2. Too many, I have to *gasp* look at the second page sometimes
3. The intertubes are only for serious. (http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/6703/cb38cb5004473ea6ba5e8f8sc0.jpg)
I'm really surprised that so many people care about people getting the +1, last time we took a poll way less than half the forums said they cared about post counts at all. Plus IIRC you can turn them off in the User CP.
I don't really care about looking at the second page or the intertubes being for nonserious. The +1 thing isn't that minor though. It's not seeing someone with a high post count that's irritating (I honestly couldn't tell you what anyone's post count is, including my own, or even name anyone who has a high or low post count), it's repeatedly seeing threads packed full of useless, unrelated crap. It happens once for each +1 that happens, and it adds up pretty quick. Beyond irritating, it's against the forum rules last I heard, and it costs the site bandwidth money every time I have to reload a thread just to see that nothing was actually said.
Now don't get me wrong, obviously I'm talking about stuff like assassins that spams up every thread on the board and not stuff like having a single thread for rating avatars or having picture wars or drawing pokemon characters with ascii symbols or whatever the heck you want to do. It is the off topic forum. But I don't see why someone who hijacks and spams threads because he's playing a game should be treated better than someone who hijacks and spams threads because he's a huge jerk.
Ash Housewares
06-07-2007, 09:29
as far as the second page, I look there all the time, because I have this weird thing where I post in threads that are of a subject I care about while leaving alone a thread if I am uninterested in the subject or have nothing to contribute, (http://forums.diabloii.net/showpost.php?p=5672740&postcount=24) I don't feel the need to post everywhere so I'm used to having to find the right threads
and the spammers are a problem but not as much as they used to be, and I see a pretty big difference between someone who is trying to offend or insult (or whatever you want to classify as being a huge jerk) and someone who is just trying to enjoy themself, even if it is a little annoying
sorry dondrei
The entire reason for the existence of this site, years and years after this game game out, is because we're all bored and have nothing to do.
I have heaps of things to do, I just don't want to do them.
If anything needs to be policed on this forum, it's long term trolls like maccool. But no, he's allowed to continue to flame people, while we all worry about some newbie poster making a game thread or two.
Please, mac's one of the few people on here who keep the place lively.
And there's a difference between flaming and just being a jerk.
as far as the second page, I look there all the time, because I have this weird thing where I post in threads that are of a subject I care about while leaving alone a thread if I am uninterested in the subject or have nothing to contribute, (http://forums.diabloii.net/showpost.php?p=5672740&postcount=24) I don't feel the need to post everywhere so I'm used to having to find the right threads
and the spammers are a problem but not as much as they used to be, and I see a pretty big difference between someone who is trying to offend or insult (or whatever you want to classify as being a huge jerk) and someone who is just trying to enjoy themself, even if it is a little annoying
sorry dondrei
I thought my ennui was important news.
I never post just to post, it's not like I need or care about a frigging +1, whatever I say is something I really want to say, sometimes that happens to be pooh-poohing the subject. What really baffles me is when the thread starter complains, like I'm doing them such a disservice by bumping their thread.
(That second paragraph isn't really aimed at you, Ash.)
You know, if there's one thing I've learned from being in the army, it's never ignore a pooh-pooh. I knew a major. He got pooh-poohed, made the mistake of ignoring the pooh-pooh - he pooh-poohed it. Fatal error, because it turned out all along that the soldier who pooh-poohed him had been pooh-poohing a lot of other officers, who pooh-poohed their pooh-poohs. In the end, we had to disband the regiment - morale totally destroyed... all by pooh-pooh!
(That one isn't aimed at anyone.)
zodiac66
07-07-2007, 07:11
I never post just to post, it's not like I need or care about a frigging +1, whatever I say is something I really want to say, sometimes that happens to be pooh-poohing the subject.
You have to be joking. No offense, but you are the king of not reading posts that you reply to and have been called on it so many times.
Sorry, but you post to post.
Oh, and I don't care about games cause I am not here enough anymore to give a crap.
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