Rock Paper Scissors

[Barloc]

I had a BvB duel last night with 2 other barbs. Now, Barb #1 couldn't beat me which I think is a bit easy to figure out, since his primary weapon was a Grief colossus blade (slow) and his charm setup wasn't very tight as he claimed (showed only a few random small lifers with cold etc). Armour was high eth/upped arreats+ sacred fort, upped gores, dracs etc.

Now, Barb #2 did not show gear, however, he had an etherial colossus blade, which I can only assume an ebotd. His gear was visable (helm and armour) which was Arreats and Fort( I'massuming that his fort was ap).

My set up Barb #3 currently is sacred fort, ebotdz, upped arreats, gores, dracs, angelics, 3/xx/xx torch anni and 3 wc lifers. 6121 life


#1 beats #2
#3 beats #1
#2 beats #3

And that was consistant throughout our duels- comments?

[rikstaker]

I had a BvB duel last night with 2 other barbs. Now, Barb #1 couldn't beat me which I think is a bit easy to figure out, since his primary weapon was a Grief colossus blade (slow) and his charm setup wasn't very tight as he claimed (showed only a few random small lifers with cold etc). Armour was high eth/upped arreats+ sacred fort, upped gores, dracs etc.

Now, Barb #2 did not show gear, however, he had an etherial colossus blade, which I can only assume an ebotd. His gear was visable (helm and armour) which was Arreats and Fort( I'massuming that his fort was ap).

My set up Barb #3 currently is sacred fort, ebotdz, upped arreats, gores, dracs, angelics, 3/xx/xx torch anni and 3 wc lifers. 6121 life


#1 beats #2
#3 beats #1
#2 beats #3

And that was consistant throughout our duels- comments?

Really Interesting-I experienced a simillar triangle long time back prior to new runewords: beast/duress>botd/ duress>fury/stone>ecleaver/duress>beast/duress.My barb was beast/duress.

#1:
This barb obviously is very defense oriented, judging from the use of sacred & upped gear,but grief colossus sword was obviously a bad choice. Theoretically both #2 & #3 should be able to beat him, but that somehow doesn’t happen. Perhaps barb#2 had ar problems,which against his defense hurt his hitrate.BVB is kind of strange,when duelling,you sort of match the maneuvers of opponent,,(assuming you are a damage & not ow oriented build)-if some Barb duels in certain way,you automatically match his whirls-since to deal hits you will take hits.So, perhaps these two barbs where duelling with short whirls-which made the Barb #1's speed problems less of an issue.

#3 beats #1:
This should be easy to explain,but in the context of the one on top,screws up the equation.You said you were using dual angelics,so I reckon you ar should be decent(charm setup is unknown-assuming some ar lifers with wc/lifers)-I guess,you didnt have a problem connecting & he did,due to lower hit chances & your high defense.

#2 beats #3.
Barb #2 is a mystery, very difficult to ascertain without gear. Botd cb is certain,but I am suspecting he was using duress. Why? Well Fort is more suited to grief than it is suited to botd,due to the higher base damage & deadly of grief-which makes a high damage weapon like fort,deadlier. A duress on the other hand makes up for the comparatively lower damage of botd by openwounds & it is more suited to botd,than fort.It could be an eth duress for all we know. But if you loss more life to ow-which he managed to keep on consistently,we can be sure it was duress(there is no way he could beat you with the basically same setup-except perhaps for charms,which are unknown).I also believe this could explain why he lost to barb#1-His higher defense would hurt his(#2’s) ow prospects. But how did he manage to beat you,since you too had a decent-high defense?

One thing that could link the dots somewhat is which barb was chilled & which wasn’t:Was barb#2 chilled at any point? If yes,it rules out a highlords/raven setup,although he could cham s/s while still using angelics.

What was the prebuff practice?

[Barloc]

thanks for the reply rik. Hard to say, i never felt that OW was a major player and i've used botd with duress/fort and i prefer fort damage wise in my experience. I suppose he could have had some sort of high eth amours, hard to say there. Seems like he just simply hit me more.

Also, he was very quick on manuvers, and tried hit best to associate his ww in such a way to try to catch me in a stand still, he caught me in first duel, but not in the others. No prebuffs fyi

Maybe his manuver style cause barb #1 to get 4/8 frame attacks in on the CB. Sensable explanation?

And further more, I had the same thing happen again lol, vs another barb that
was beating me. Just for test I switched to HL/raven and he could not win then....

well, I guess you can flip a quarter on a 50/50 chance and get heads 10 times in a row still. Tightly built characters wont always win/loose 100% of the time against each other i suppose, which is why there are people still out there using steelrends or whatever since they still have good success rates using the gear they have. What do you think?

[rikstaker]

Well,ow becomes more important in heavy prebuffed-high defense duels,where hit rate is lower.Clearly that wasnt the case here,considering the charm setup you had & no prebuff.Yah,I said that earlier,DOD duel will even out the hit checks for Barb#1.

BVB is all about customization-certain setup that works for another build might not work for you.In heavy prebuffed duels & against high defense fury/ethstone barbs,I find that steel/vitas(ar/lifers) ~33/20 provide better score rates than max/ar/life.There are dozens of BVB setups-but the tricky part is choosing the right eq to optimally suit your build.

[nex]

Why are you talking about barb #1 speed issue?

I had a BvB duel last night with 2 other barbs. Now, Barb #1 couldn't beat me which I think is a bit easy to figure out, since his primary weapon was a Grief colossus blade (slow)

I haven't seen anywhere mentioned IAS roll on his Grief, but Grief CB (blade, not sword) is perfectly capable of hiting last ww breakpoint with 39 IAS. So he could have fast ww just like you.

[rikstaker]

Barb #1 was using a grief collosus sword,which doesnt hit lwbp regardless of wias roll.But I reckon it was a grief zweihander(has the same graphic as collossus sword)-barloc can you confirm?

[Barloc]

no Colussus Blade, he showed all which is why i knew what he had.

i can only remember that it was below 39, but not exact on what number.