Single play paladin glitch

[linkato1]

Hello,

I started a new freezealot and when he got level 25 I noticed that his holy fire was level 99 instead of 1 as it should have been.

Has anyone noticed this same bug?

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[Stompwampa]

Does it just display as Level 99, or is it really at Level 99?

[linkato1]

Does it just display as Level 99, or is it really at Level 99?

It is level 99, I assume as Holy Fire damge is 285-287 and my weapon damage is 1710-1722.

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[ulmty]

Have you been using a character editor?

[linkato1]

Have you been using a character editor?

No, I've only used ATMA V to move items on and off the character.

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[WebDragon]

What patch are you using?

[linkato1]

What patch are you using?

The latest that Bnet automatically installs upon connection. Isn't that 1.11b?

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[JME]

It still could be a display issue and not actually giving that damage benefit. Go punch something, if it dies then you are actually doing that amount of damage. In which case, I have no idea what's happening.

[linkato1]

It still could be a display issue and not actually giving that damage benefit. Go punch something, if it dies then you are actually doing that amount of damage. In which case, I have no idea what's happening.

It's not only disply issue. I can walk around in act I with Holy Fire on and foes go down without touching. I've used it with countess runs ;-) (IMHO it's not cheating as it only speeds them up.)

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[JME]

It's not only disply issue. I can walk around in act I with Holy Fire on and foes go down without touching. I've used it with countess runs ;-) (IMHO it's not cheating as it only speeds them up.)

Topi

I really don't know how this could happen without toying with some sort of editor. That being said, I'm not calling you a liar. I suppose we can just chock it up to a really weird and useful glitch. Perhaps a lightning strike or system failure while saving your character file? Regardless, if there is no real harm (or as long as you see it that way) I guess you shouldn't worry about it. Odd to say the least.

[NASE]

(IMHO it's not cheating as it only speeds them up.)

so do map hacks/RRM/RWM though that doesn't mean it isn't cheating. Fine, it ain't you fault though if you ever want to trade anything comming from that char or with equipment from that char you might run into some people that don't want you gear.

[Jormasteri]

Or maybe somebody else uses your PC and decided to throw a little joke on you :wink3:

[JME]

so do map hacks/RRM/RWM though that doesn't mean it isn't cheating. Fine, it ain't you fault though if you ever want to trade anything comming from that char or with equipment from that char you might run into some people that don't want you gear.

RWM/RRM generally isn't considered cheating in the SPF, espeically the former but maphack definitely is and you still have a very valid point. Regardless, they definitely like any mods being announced beforehand and I think they would want to know about this bug too. Some people may not want to trade with him due to this problem and any speculation that may surround it.

@OP: If you want to trade in the SPF you are most likely going to want to fix this somehow or scrap the character. Let us know when you first noticed this bug and if you have any backups of this character somewhere. A backup may be the easiest solution.

[linkato1]

RWM/RRM generally isn't considered cheating in the SPF, espeically the former but maphack definitely is and you still have a very valid point. Regardless, they definitely like any mods being announced beforehand and I think they would want to know about this bug too. Some people may not want to trade with him due to this problem and any speculation that may surround it.

@OP: If you want to trade in the SPF you are most likely going to want to fix this somehow or scrap the character. Let us know when you first noticed this bug and if you have any backups of this character somewhere. A backup may be the easiest solution.

I don't have backup.

I'm not trading anything, but I like the idea of giving unnecessary items away and do it on bnet all the time. But firt time when I offered some items for free in SPF after I read all sticky rules about giveaway and followed them, I got so much flak about not follwing the rules that I decided that people can live without my generosity.

What happened was that the published rules were outdated, but nobody thought that it was an excuse for me.

So abandoning the character or not is just on my own idea what is right and what is wrong. But still I'd like to know what happened.

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[JME]

I don't have backup.

I'm not trading anything, but I like the idea of giving unnecessary items away and do it on bnet all the time. But firt time when I offered some items for free in SPF after I read all sticky rules about giveaway and followed them, I got so much flak about not follwing the rules that I decided that people can live without my generosity.

What happened was that the published rules were outdated, but nobody thought that it was an excuse for me.

So abandoning the character or not is just on my own idea what is right and what is wrong. But still I'd like to know what happened.

Topi

As for what happened in the SPF, I don't really think they were trying to give you much flak, although it may have seemed that way to you. Emotions are sometimes hard to convey over the internet. In fact, it appears AlterEgo even took your suggestion to heart about more clearly stating the rules concerning giveaways. I hope you saw some of the responses to this (http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=434657) thread and that you may reconsider the community there. They are merely trying to keep it clean the best way they know how since gems and runes don't have fingerprints.

However, you are correct in the fact that, if you choose not to return to the SPF, it is indeed your prerogative since the decision effects no one but you. If you choose not to then I would probably just keep the character, if for no other reason, it's novel.

**Are you sure you don't have a backup because, under default settings, ATMA stores them automatically? One final note, make sure that nothing has been altered in ATMA as this may have corrupted the character or changed an attribute.

Good luck on whatever you decide.

[linkato1]

As for what happened in the SPF, I don't really think they were trying to give you much flak, although it may have seemed that way to you. Emotions are sometimes hard to convey over the internet. In fact, it appears AlterEgo even took your suggestion to heart about more clearly stating the rules concerning giveaways. I hope you saw some of the responses to this (http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=434657) thread and that you may reconsider the community there. They are merely trying to keep it clean the best way they know how since gems and runes don't have fingerprints.

Let's see. The rules posted for giveaway that were in force when I submitted my items can be found here (http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=406283). Check the first point. It clearly states that if one wants high end runes one should go to the trade thread. This implies that there is no ban on runes either on giveaway nor on trade.

When I posted my giveaway I was accused on not reading the rules on runes ban. When I enquired where such rules where, as they weren't on giveaway thread, my query thread was closed. These two actions imply that I was in error, that I have commited a crime against the SPF community. What could have been my crime? Not reading the rules? No, as I've read them and followed them. What else? My deduction was that people thought that I've duped those runes. Why else my plead for innocence was ignored by closing the thread were I was pleading it.

Anyways I stated then and I state it here again that not allowing runes on giveaway, or even on trade, is twisted logic. If others would take this as a way to do business Nike wouldn't sell shoes as there are counterfeiters nor would Blizzard publish patches as there are illegal ones existing. Let the buyer beware.

The whole SPF trade and giveaway is based on honor anyway as everyone who submits something there should tell about any mods they are using. So why not have honor rules on runes?

**Are you sure you don't have a backup because, under default settings, ATMA stores them automatically? One final note, make sure that nothing has been altered in ATMA as this may have corrupted the character or changed an attribute.

I have this habit on keeping my harddisk uncluttered so I always delete all backups ATMA makes after I've done with my gaming session.

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[JME]

I think they just had some unstated interpretations which caused some confusion and hurt feelings. Your thread wasn't closed because you were thought to be a duper but because, at the time, they didn't allow such items. However, if you look now:

"Keep in mind that some items (notably runes) do not have fingerprints. This makes them hard to track and hard to verify, and significantly increases the risk factor involved when trading them. You should only trade these items with people that you thoroughly trust. The nature of these items limits the actions that the moderators can take to check into these items."

And:
"New Trader Probation Period
Single Player trading is based on trust, and trust must be earned. Traders who are new the forum are considered to be under probation. While under this probation period, there are restictions what what items they can trade. The probation period ends after the trader has completed 15 trades and has been trading for at least three months in the Single Player Trade Forum.

Note: People who were members of the Single Player Forum before June 1, 2005 are exempt from the New Trader Probation Period as long as they have a minimum of 100 posts and have at some time publically displayed items. This public display can include posting ATMA readouts of items in the Item Find thread, hosting a giveaway of their extra items, or trading with other members.

The following items may not be traded by traders during the probation period:
Uniques: Stromlash, Nightwing's Veil, Schaefer's Hammer, Griffon's Eye, Crown of Ages, Death's Fathom, Astreons, Mangs, Death's Web, Tyrael's Might
Runes Io and Above
Charms: Fine charms of Vita, Steel charms of Vita, Shimmering Charms of Vita, Skill Charms of Vita
Jewels: Ruby Jewels of Fervor, Scintilating Jewels of Fervor, Vermillion Jewels of Fervor, Vermillion Jewels of Carnage, Ruby Jewels of Carnage

Rune Trading
Runes may be traded, with the following limitations and rules:
There is no restriction on trading runes Hel and below, or items containing these runes.
Runes Io to Gul (and items containing them) may be traded by people who are not in the New Trader Probation Period without restriction.
Runes Vex and above (and items containing them) may be traded by people who are not in the New Trader Probation Period, but require that the history of the rune is known. The easiest way to do this is with the Item Find Thread. New high runes and runewords (those that were found or created after these rules were posted) should be documented in the Item Find Thread (IFT) when they are found, cubed, or created. Here are some examples of how to do this in the IFT:
I have been doing hellforge rushes for the last (enter time or approximate number of runs here) and finally cubed up the Lo rune needed to make this Fortitude. (And post the readout of the Fortitude.) In other words, if you are doing rushes for a specific goal, you can wait until the goal is achieved to post the results, just include the pertinant information. Of course, if people already know ahead of time that you are working for that goal, it will make it easier for them to trust you.
I just found an Ohm rune. (Screenshots of the find are good and encouraged, but not required.)
I just traded a for a Ber rune, and with the one I already had, I cubed up a Jah. I took the Ohm rune I found a while back and posted about here and made a Faith bow (paste in ATMA readout) and now I'm going to give it to Cattleya.
For older runes, when you go to trade them, you need to give an explination of where they came from. (Think of this as telling the story of the rune.) It is understood that details may be fuzy, but do the best you can. Provide as much information as you can. Of course, do not make up information if you cannot remember or do not know. It is better to have a little bit of honest information than a bunch of fabricated information. Links to relevant threads mentioning the rune are helpful, but if they don't exist, they don't exist. Here are some examples:
I have a Ohm rune that I've had for a while, I cubed it up when I did a bunch hell forge rushes a while back.
I have a Lo rune given to me by X person at another forum. I've mentioned it in this thread over here.
I have a Zod rune I found in an MP game. I think that forum member Y and Z were there.
The moderators reserve the right to ask for a rune to be removed from a trade list if there are concerns about its legitamacy."

It seems that the rules have been altered somewhat so that this doesn't become an issue again. I honestly think you misunderstood their intentions and they have updated and even changed the rules a bit since then.

As for the lack of a backup...I suppose that's just the way it is then. Hopefully, you enjoy playing your paladin.

[linkato1]

I think they just had some unstated interpretations which caused some confusion and hurt feelings. Your thread wasn't closed because you were thought to be a duper but because, at the time, they didn't allow such items. However, if you look now:

"Keep in mind that some items (notably runes) do not have fingerprints. This makes them hard to track and hard to verify, and significantly increases the risk factor involved when trading them. You should only trade these items with people that you thoroughly trust. The nature of these items limits the actions that the moderators can take to check into these items."

And:
"New Trader Probation Period
Single Player trading is based on trust, and trust must be earned. Traders who are new the forum are considered to be under probation. While under this probation period, there are restictions what what items they can trade. The probation period ends after the trader has completed 15 trades and has been trading for at least three months in the Single Player Trade Forum.

Note: People who were members of the Single Player Forum before June 1, 2005 are exempt from the New Trader Probation Period as long as they have a minimum of 100 posts and have at some time publically displayed items. This public display can include posting ATMA readouts of items in the Item Find thread, hosting a giveaway of their extra items, or trading with other members.

The following items may not be traded by traders during the probation period:
Uniques: Stromlash, Nightwing's Veil, Schaefer's Hammer, Griffon's Eye, Crown of Ages, Death's Fathom, Astreons, Mangs, Death's Web, Tyrael's Might
Runes Io and Above
Charms: Fine charms of Vita, Steel charms of Vita, Shimmering Charms of Vita, Skill Charms of Vita
Jewels: Ruby Jewels of Fervor, Scintilating Jewels of Fervor, Vermillion Jewels of Fervor, Vermillion Jewels of Carnage, Ruby Jewels of Carnage

Rune Trading
Runes may be traded, with the following limitations and rules:
There is no restriction on trading runes Hel and below, or items containing these runes.
Runes Io to Gul (and items containing them) may be traded by people who are not in the New Trader Probation Period without restriction.
Runes Vex and above (and items containing them) may be traded by people who are not in the New Trader Probation Period, but require that the history of the rune is known. The easiest way to do this is with the Item Find Thread. New high runes and runewords (those that were found or created after these rules were posted) should be documented in the Item Find Thread (IFT) when they are found, cubed, or created. Here are some examples of how to do this in the IFT:
I have been doing hellforge rushes for the last (enter time or approximate number of runs here) and finally cubed up the Lo rune needed to make this Fortitude. (And post the readout of the Fortitude.) In other words, if you are doing rushes for a specific goal, you can wait until the goal is achieved to post the results, just include the pertinant information. Of course, if people already know ahead of time that you are working for that goal, it will make it easier for them to trust you.
I just found an Ohm rune. (Screenshots of the find are good and encouraged, but not required.)
I just traded a for a Ber rune, and with the one I already had, I cubed up a Jah. I took the Ohm rune I found a while back and posted about here and made a Faith bow (paste in ATMA readout) and now I'm going to give it to Cattleya.
For older runes, when you go to trade them, you need to give an explination of where they came from. (Think of this as telling the story of the rune.) It is understood that details may be fuzy, but do the best you can. Provide as much information as you can. Of course, do not make up information if you cannot remember or do not know. It is better to have a little bit of honest information than a bunch of fabricated information. Links to relevant threads mentioning the rune are helpful, but if they don't exist, they don't exist. Here are some examples:
I have a Ohm rune that I've had for a while, I cubed it up when I did a bunch hell forge rushes a while back.
I have a Lo rune given to me by X person at another forum. I've mentioned it in this thread over here.
I have a Zod rune I found in an MP game. I think that forum member Y and Z were there.
The moderators reserve the right to ask for a rune to be removed from a trade list if there are concerns about its legitamacy."

It seems that the rules have been altered somewhat so that this doesn't become an issue again. I honestly think you misunderstood their intentions and they have updated and even changed the rules a bit since then.

As for the lack of a backup...I suppose that's just the way it is then. Hopefully, you enjoy playing your paladin.


You missed my point entirely.

I wasn't trading, I'm not trading nor will I ever trade, I was giving away. Go read the rules of the giveaway thread that were in effect when I posted my giveaways (they are here (http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=406283)). Note what the paragraph 1 tells.

Now tell me was I in error when I tried to give away some runeword items based on those rules?

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[JME]

I think you missed my point entirely.

1. No one accused you of duping.
2. Those ambiguous rules are no longer in place.

They had limitations on the trading of runes which they interpreted to have a limitation on the giveaways, which was unstated in the giveaway thread. As far as I can tell it was a very simple misunderstanding. They even asked you to come back and that they meant no hard feelings.

No one chewed you out for what happened because they understood how the misunderstanding took place. People on this forum are generally helpful and friendly. All I was saying was that you should reconsider participating in the trade community there (including giveaways). You may find it rewarding.

This is OT now and your problem is still not solved, which I apologize for. Good luck in figuring this out.

/exits thread